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Oh by the way. Having that Ghost Ship stuffed in subspace is a perfect way for it to remain "hidden" for so long. So, I'll buy into that...
Except...
How can you have the technology to access subspace - but not light speed travel? As far as I know, you need something similar to "warp drive" to even get to subspace.
And as I double-check:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspace
And referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspace_(science_fiction)
So, I suppose it is possible (in the science fiction realm) to have a device capable of access subspace without light speed. Yet, I can imagine the energies required to do either would be similar.
As I get to the Macross/Robotech section... OK. I'll go with that explanation. :)
Dark Wing
2012-03-18, 23:45
That generally shouldn't work, unless someone else higher up in the royal family is in on it. Frankly, as seventh and eigth princesses, neither Gruelle nor Grunhilde should have any real authority to speak of, unless something untoward has happened to princesses 1 through 6. Neither of them would even be considered an heir to the throne so long as any of their older siblings were still alive, and it seems very unlikely that military forces would support a child as young as Grunhilde over her older sister, when she isn't even close to being an immediate choice for ruler. Unless, as I said, someone higher-ranking in the royal family is also supporting Grunhilde over Gruelle.
I think it all comes back to the Golden Ship. There is something about it that makes it very important and only a member of the royal family can gain access to whatever that important something maybe.
Be it data, riches, weapons, or any kind of lost technology...Grunhilde would seem to be the easiest target for manipulation being as young and impressionable as she is someone must be pulling the strings.
That assumes Gruelle and Gruhilde age normally. Also assumes they aren't clones.
Both are possible, despite Gruelle saying she's 13 years old. She had meet Marika's father before. While that shouldn't take much considering he just died and Marika isn't much older than Gruelle. Jenny has meet Gruelle before, so we know the Princess goes to important social fuctions.
Yet there is still something missing. Something about the Princesses and this colony ship. Something Gruelle would like to do alone, but Marika won't let her.
(Also it is Grunhilde de geso~) ;)
There are some fictions that subspace differently than others. Space Battleship Yamato III had subspace submarines that "submerged" into subspace to say hidden from real space sensors. They could even fire torpeodes from subspace to real space and attack (though they needed a periscope to poke into real space to aim). Mind you that Space Battleship Yamato is usually refences as World War II in Space, in terms of how things work.
Except...
How can you have the technology to access subspace - but not light speed travel? As far as I know, you need something similar to "warp drive" to even get to subspace.
Hmm.. what if the golden ship that appeared is actually not the ghost ship that they were looking for, but a similar looking and recently built ship by the Serenity royal family? To hide the ship's production and identity, they camouflaged it with the story of a similar looking ghost ship. I mean, even the appearance is different (fat vs skinny).
Actaully, looking more carefully at the two images of the ship...it has been extended. Every part of the original ship seems to be there, but the flat section in the middle of the ball looking parts has been expanded to make cylinder. The ship only looks smaller because whoever took it had to be farther away to get the whole thing into frame.
http://s5.postimage.org/qvb8kwtxv/Ghost_Ship.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/qvb8kwtxv/)
Maybe one explanation is that the second ship (cylinder one) was made with the intention of being very similar to the first ship (circular one), for the reason I mention above. Since the first ship was originally from Serenity as well, I'm sure they wouldn't have had any problems in making a very similar looking ship. I feel like everything would be explained if the above two ships are completely different ships. Why would the two princesses be looking for an obsolete ghost ship so passionately precisely at this moment, after so long? Of course, I could be completely wrong about this.
And sorry if this was already discussed to death before. I haven't followed the thread closely until now.
Cosmic Eagle
2012-03-19, 02:40
Taken by an ancient ghost ship in space, trapped and hidden in subspace....if I didn't know better this would be a horror story
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-19, 06:59
Taken by an ancient ghost ship in space, trapped and hidden in subspace....if I didn't know better this would be a horror storyI know of several tentacle/monster hentai using this as a plot device............. :eyespin:
Taken by an ancient ghost ship in space, trapped and hidden in subspace....if I didn't know better this would be a horror story
Let's hope Sam Neil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119081/)is not the captain.
justpassingby
2012-03-19, 08:28
http://img.bongbank.net/is/snapshot20120318101451.jpg
Marika looking for new harem member > < In the novel it went like this:
Marika: Waa. I think Gruelle is already as cute as a doll, but the sister is very beautiful. (pg225)
:heh::heh:
Roschmann Nuclear Fusion Reactor is the most advanced technology pre-FTL. The Ghost Ship has three of this. When she started her journey, those reactors have been continuously maintained and improved . (pg234)
There was a ship wreck inside the hangar. It is visible in the anime. It belongs to Serenity Royal Investigation fleet and have the shape like Bentenmaru but older than her (more than 120 years). Meaning there were already people came in and out from the Ghost Ship
The next episode should be the last episode for vol 2. I mean, something is returning to somewhere :heh:. The reason why the Ghost Ship is a "Ghost Ship" and is able to go to subspace should be explained......if the anime doesn't cut those parts where the pirates make it to the Ghost Ship's main bridge. Although, I also doubt it if the anime will able to show one more character from the ED sequence.......
Interesting reads about nuclear fusion from wiki: Nuclear Fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion) ITER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER)
First I've heard about this fusion reactor project. All I remember is the research group at Lawrence Livermore Labs in the late 80s and early 90s was working on the concept.
Funkatron
2012-03-19, 12:00
It could be possible that the FTL drive is just on auto-pilot, set to appear randomly in space or is connected to some weird spacial anomaly that is taking it for a ride. Or whatever FTL drive it has is broken; it takes it into and out of subspace but doesn't have the means to specify a particular point of exit, so it just appears at random.
justpassingby
2012-03-19, 12:10
Hmm. May be I should have mentioned that Roschmann is my take on ロシュマン. I don't know if it supposed to mean this Roschmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Roschmann)or this Roschmann (http://www.roschmann.de/index.php), or may be it just some random name
Although, during the shooting training between Ririka and Marika, the guns are said to be as Rheinmetall and ArmaLite models (they trained with different beam guns in the novel)
I meant the project in France. I'd not heard about it. Though since it is under construction and not finished might be why I never heard of it before.
I meant the project in France. I'd not heard about it. Though since it is under construction and not finished might be why I never heard of it before.
ITER? Yea. Billions upon billions of dollars, multinational effort, and many years till completion...
I'm starting to think: Fusion can only be mastered when we have more space infrastructure.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-19, 22:14
Still... Fusion power being sufficient to warp space...? How much fuel is that going to take? I'll stick to matter-antimatter reactions if I want to go to lightspeed.
as for beamguns, you can never go wrong with BlasTech. :D
Fusion reactors: Three small stars as power sources. It isn't like small particles are rare. Might even be why they hang out in dense regions of space. More fuel. (Mr. Fusion)
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-20, 00:41
M-AM drives use stellar matter too, and buzzard collectors scoop these up while flying at FTL, so the ship only need to carry antimatter.
Even so, 3 small stars, matter or antimatter, is a heck lot of mass to move around... Which is why scifi fuel has always been this wonderous phlebotium that costs no energy to carry around. Trying to define it just exposes you to nerd butthurt. :heh:
How much of that extra mass added to the vessel is storage tanks for the fuel? How much is just the collectors? They added a lot to the ship since it was launched many, many generations ago.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-20, 05:33
Yeah... A ship dedicated to just engine and tanks... Functional? Yes. Efficient? Hell no. Necessary? Yes. After all, they are LOST IN SPAAAAAAACE. :heh:
Ushio the Omega
2012-03-20, 15:54
Damn. It's a sales flop, I was so hoping it would do well.
The Limited Edition of vol one is doing better than Gundam AGE vol one.
Ushio the Omega
2012-03-20, 18:04
The Limited Edition of vol one is doing better than Gundam AGE vol one.
So? AGE flopped hard.
Damn. It's a sales flop, I was so hoping it would do well.
I'm guessing the japanese fans just aren't buying into slow starts anymore. It's a shame cause the show has some serious old school charm that's severely missing as of late :(
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-20, 18:22
I wasn't expecting it to do well actually. Its a geekfest and my main hope was for the reruns to bring us back to the days of TOS, but that's not very likely. Because, the main audience of MoP aren't Japan's biggest spenders...
I'm guessing the japanese fans just aren't buying into slow starts anymore. It's a shame cause the show has some serious old school charm that's severely missing as of late :(
Either that, or - they're just not sci-fi people. :(
Spaceship sci-fi (without mecha) is getting rarer and rarer. There just doesn't seem to be much interest in space travel or space opera anymore. The show that might show some sales would be Space Battleship Yamato 2199. But that is not certain either.
Though I question the sales listed. Limited Edition. What about the normal release? Does that come out later?
Also if one was packaging for sane reasons, the first five episodes would be one disc. Maybe two and then three, but two then four and remaining four is the usual pattern if they aren't doing two per disc only (which is horridly expensive and foolish).
Of course this sold better than Nichijou, and I liked that as well.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-20, 20:16
Its so sad that kids these days don't dream of final frontiers and exploration, but are fixed on tsundere boobs and pants...
Where are people getting sales numbers from?
This thread I imagine:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3958392&postcount=20
(Do not reply to that thread, there is another thread for replying someplace else)
This thread I imagine:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3958392&postcount=20
(Do not reply to that thread, there is another thread for replying someplace else)
Thanks.
So
2012/03/07 *3,734 Vol. 1 Limited Edition (Two episodes)
That's really not that bad,with the talk of flop I thought it was like 2500 or something.
00Coyote
2012-03-21, 00:07
I've always though the pricing structure, and how they market and place anime DVD/BluRays is a horrible way to do business. The absurd price + low content of the discs narrows their customer base to a very small niche market.
It comes down to perceived value.
Take 'Ben-to' or 'Yuru Yuri' or 'Denpa Onna ....' all three of those shows I enjoyed immensely, I would love to see more of them (Yuru Yuri is getting a 2nd season) and I'd really like to support the companies who did all the work animating such fine shows ... but I didn't think they were spectacular enough to drop $500+shipping per show just to have the discs sitting on my shelf*
There are a whole lot of decent shows, a handful of good shows, and a few really spectacular ones, but how their pricing structure works, you have to be fanatical about a show to buy it, so I guess they end up turning away 80-90% of their potential customer base.
And they base their whole industry on this. I'm really surprised any anime gets made at all.
*To watch a BluRay, or a R2 DVD I have to beak the law, to use a product that I legally purchased. Not to mention the time/HD space/annoyance factor of ripping, de-DMRing, transcoding plus adding the subs in.... I have to shake my head at the Media Industry, and why they choose to treat their paying customers as criminals.
Ranting a bit more...
And the mostly dead US anime industry seems to pick the most mediocre shows to license, and then saddle the whole process with the expensive dub production, which usually ends up being underwhelming. I really want a Japanese producer to wake up one morning and realize *shock* If we lower the price on these discs, we'd sell a whole lot more, sure we'll make less per disc, but the volume sales will far surpass the measly returns we were getting. And, what if we included an English subtitle (since we already have it timed from Crunchyroll) for those crazy Gaijin who happen to like these shows. We don't have to cater to 'Mainstream' but having the subtitles on a reasonably priced disc greatly expands our potential customer base. Brilliant!
But alas, the world isn't that sane.
xizro345
2012-03-21, 00:27
I I really want a Japanese producer to wake up one morning and realize *shock* If we lower the price on these discs, we'd sell a whole lot more, sure we'll make less per disc, but the volume sales will far surpass the measly returns we were getting. And, what if we included an English subtitle (since we already have it timed from Crunchyroll) for those crazy Gaijin who happen to like these shows. We don't have to cater to 'Mainstream' but having the subtitles on a reasonably priced disc greatly expands our potential customer base. Brilliant!
While some, like Aniplex, are adding subs this for certain shows (Fate/Zero comes to mind), they're not lowering the prices, as they're artificially high. There's also the resident fear of reverse import if a show can be licensed elswhere. Sadly I don't see the trend changing at all. The recent seasons have shown quite a bit of material I'm interested in, but the BD structure, more than pricing, is absolutely not worth it. That's a sad thing for Moretsu, because it was something I am really interested in.
Heck, I'm surprised the industry re-started doing more 2-cour shows, even if the trend seems to go the split route, given these kind of sales...
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-21, 00:27
The world is never sane, which is why space princesses are still on the cards. :D
Spaceship sci-fi (without mecha) is getting rarer and rarer. There just doesn't seem to be much interest in space travel or space opera anymore. The show that might show some sales would be Space Battleship Yamato 2199. But that is not certain either.
JJ Adam's Star Trek seems to be fine...
It would be nice to see Marika and co.(yacht club) to interact with boy's school yacht club counterpart....
I find Mouretsu Pirates's technobabble bias to be remisant to Star Trek's franchise killers e.g. Voyager and Enterprise.
Ushio the Omega
2012-03-21, 03:02
Thanks.
So
That's really not that bad,with the talk of flop I thought it was like 2500 or something.
It is really bad a 13 episode tv series is released over 7 disc's while a 2 cour is released over 13 but Mouretsu Pirates is a 7 disc series so has to sell twice as much to break even and the first volume was very cheap and yet still did poorly.
I get my sales numbers here http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=109291&page=36 there updated on tuesday's and thursday's.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-21, 03:03
JJ Adam's Star Trek seems to be fine...
It would be nice to see Marika and co.(yacht club) to interact with boy's school yacht club counterpart....
I find Mouretsu Pirates's technobabble bias to be remisant to Star Trek's franchise killers e.g. Voyager and Enterprise.
However, that babble was really bad compared to the older pilot series like TOS and TNG. I felt that Marika’s was more grounded in realism, which did relate to TOS and TNG better. I suppose things were all newer back then too.
Either way, MoP’s heavy reliance on nerdgastic preamble will cause it to suffer, simply because people want action, they want it quick and fast. That’s why JJA’s phaser-heavy Trek managed to garner more interest than if it stuck to the old formula of discussions then a short-lived battle.
Either way, MoP’s heavy reliance on nerdgastic preamble will cause it to suffer, simply because people want action, they want it quick and fast. That’s why JJA’s phaser-heavy Trek managed to garner more interest than if it stuck to the old formula of discussions then a short-lived battle.
Unfortunately, people's tastes have changed. At the same time, Hollywood's current trend of relying on special effects as main selling points for its movies is actually hurting Hollywood. Dare I say, "Battleship" :rolleyes: If you compare today's movies - with movies of yester-year - today's movies appear to be far far less creative.
As far as I'm concerned, this JJA rendition is garbage to me. Heck, I don't even remember what the heck happened in that movie. I suppose, you can label me as a "purist" in this regard. I say this without actually watching the Original series, and instead, watching the TOS 1980's movies with the same crew. Though, a couple of those movies flat out sucked too.
TNG has been a very huge favorite of mine.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-21, 07:58
Unfortunately, people's tastes have changed. At the same time, Hollywood's current trend of relying on special effects as main selling points for its movies is actually hurting Hollywood. Dare I say, "Battleship" :rolleyes: If you compare today's movies - with movies of yester-year - today's movies appear to be far far less creative.
As far as I'm concerned, this JJA rendition is garbage to me. Heck, I don't even remember what the heck happened in that movie. I suppose, you can label me as a "purist" in this regard. I say this without actually watching the Original series, and instead, watching the TOS 1980's movies with the same crew. Though, a couple of those movies flat out sucked too.
TNG has been a very huge favorite of mine.
To me, JJA's version was trippy, but I still prefer TNG. But its not like I don't understand why kids these days just don't appreciate our art.
Its so sad that kids these days don't dream of final frontiers and exploration, but are fixed on tsundere boobs and pants...
It's not like kids are the ones buying (overpriced) anime. Mouretsu Pirates' lack of popularity has little to do with a generation gap.
^
I think it's those shows with overpowered heroes who talk about superhuman fighting techniques and then trying to beat the hell out of each other till one of them bleeds.
Still, in a world largely dominated by shonen shows, there will be a very interested audience, however little their numbers are, for those who want to see more shows like MoP.
Random Wanderer
2012-03-21, 09:56
I don't care about sales figures for silly overpriced Japanese releases. Bring it out for a reasonable price in the US and I will pay money for this series. There are never enough decent semi-hard sci-fi anime to go around.
Of course, I realize that if it doesn't sell well in Japan it will probably never be sold on DVD or Blu-Ray in the US, so I probably should care about Japanese sales figures. But the prices those guys charge are just ludicrous, so I have a hard time thinking that they have any real connection to reality.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-21, 10:06
What a catch-22 we're in, eh? I'm just worried that we _won't_ get a 2nd season because of this tanking. :(
Random Wanderer
2012-03-21, 10:23
They're already got the timeslot for a 26-episode series, and all the material is already made (since the series was meant to air a year ago), so I don't think we have to worry about them cutting us off at episode 13, if that's what you mean. All the money for that has already been spent, so there's no reason to not finish the series.
I've always though the pricing structure, and how they market and place anime DVD/BluRays is a horrible way to do business. The absurd price + low content of the discs narrows their customer base to a very small niche market.
It comes down to perceived value.
Take 'Ben-to' or 'Yuru Yuri' or 'Denpa Onna ....' all three of those shows I enjoyed immensely, I would love to see more of them (Yuru Yuri is getting a 2nd season) and I'd really like to support the companies who did all the work animating such fine shows ... but I didn't think they were spectacular enough to drop $500+shipping per show just to have the discs sitting on my shelf*
There are a whole lot of decent shows, a handful of good shows, and a few really spectacular ones, but how their pricing structure works, you have to be fanatical about a show to buy it, so I guess they end up turning away 80-90% of their potential customer base.
And they base their whole industry on this. I'm really surprised any anime gets made at all.
*To watch a BluRay, or a R2 DVD I have to beak the law, to use a product that I legally purchased. Not to mention the time/HD space/annoyance factor of ripping, de-DMRing, transcoding plus adding the subs in.... I have to shake my head at the Media Industry, and why they choose to treat their paying customers as criminals.
Ranting a bit more...
And the mostly dead US anime industry seems to pick the most mediocre shows to license, and then saddle the whole process with the expensive dub production, which usually ends up being underwhelming. I really want a Japanese producer to wake up one morning and realize *shock* If we lower the price on these discs, we'd sell a whole lot more, sure we'll make less per disc, but the volume sales will far surpass the measly returns we were getting. And, what if we included an English subtitle (since we already have it timed from Crunchyroll) for those crazy Gaijin who happen to like these shows. We don't have to cater to 'Mainstream' but having the subtitles on a reasonably priced disc greatly expands our potential customer base. Brilliant!
But alas, the world isn't that sane.
I think you should read this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-07 It's actually a pretty decent piece that explains everything you just mentioned and explains why the current model is what it is. I'm as unhappy about it as you but there's quite a long history of why lowering prices doesn't bring in the kind of volumes we think it should.
Endless Soul
2012-03-21, 15:26
And the mostly dead US anime industry seems to pick the most mediocre shows to license, and then saddle the whole process with the expensive dub production, which usually ends up being underwhelming. I really want a Japanese producer to wake up one morning and realize *shock* If we lower the price on these discs, we'd sell a whole lot more, sure we'll make less per disc, but the volume sales will far surpass the measly returns we were getting. And, what if we included an English subtitle (since we already have it timed from Crunchyroll) for those crazy Gaijin who happen to like these shows. We don't have to cater to 'Mainstream' but having the subtitles on a reasonably priced disc greatly expands our potential customer base. Brilliant!
But alas, the world isn't that sane.
Sounds like a great plan to me.
Endless " Crazy Gaijin who happen to like these shows" Soul
I don't care about sales figures for silly overpriced Japanese releases. Bring it out for a reasonable price in the US and I will pay money for this series. There are never enough decent semi-hard sci-fi anime to go around.
Of course, I realize that if it doesn't sell well in Japan it will probably never be sold on DVD or Blu-Ray in the US, so I probably should care about Japanese sales figures. But the prices those guys charge are just ludicrous, so I have a hard time thinking that they have any real connection to reality.
And this is one reason - among many - for my wish for anime to develop in the US - as in, domestic anime production. But, I fear: I may have to be dead before anything remotely close like that happening.:(
As someone that has been fooling around with Trek fiction for a long time, I can pretty much find a way to get almost anything I want into the lore and make it work. I can even get the JJA version of the starships to work with say the FASA setting of Star Trek. Or even the Star Fleet Battles version of Star Trek. It is even viable within Canon Star Trek. 2258 is a ways before the late 2260s..enough time for Mr. Scott to give Enterprise a refit to make her look like she normally does.
Space is vast. If one is willing to imagine things, everything can work. Just set it in a different galaxy. Who's going to be able to prove it? There are billions of galaxies out there with billions of stars each. Plenty of room for all the stories.
Space is vast. If one is willing to imagine things, everything can work. Just set it in a different galaxy. Who's going to be able to prove it? There are billions of galaxies out there with billions of stars each. Plenty of room for all the stories.
Are wookies and ewoks furries? Prove it. :heh::eyespin:
Likewise. For Mouretsu, the ship designs (especially the knife shaped Serenity vessels). Possible.
Running around space dressed in 17th century Earth style. Also possible. Who knows? People beyond our own star system may share the same fashion tastes. :heh:
Whole planets with Earth-like weather that's 99% water surface? I sure freakin' hope so.
Crazy royal families? They should be everywhere too.
Unfortunately with this series. We need to see more planets, just to see what they look like.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-21, 18:12
But according to the prologue narration, Serenity is a principality with just... seven planets? Did I get that right?
Marika might have 99 problems but her Harem isn't one
http://sonohara.donmai.us/data/ca57e6dc5d9af10b447d1f3e13c2e54b.jpg
Since they found the Ghost Ship, and we are nearly to the halfway point, I guess there will be at least one or two more story arcs. So plenty of time for Marika to get other missions or get into trouble....or expand her "harem".
There is still what I suppose is the crew of Chiaki's father's ship that we've not seen in the show yet, but are in the opening and credits.
Endless Soul
2012-03-21, 22:48
There is still what I suppose is the crew of Chiaki's father's ship that we've not seen in the show yet, but are in the opening and credits.
Wasn't there a brief glimpse of it when it was docking with the cruise liner when Dark Queen Chiaki was playing to role of Space Pirate in Marika's place?
Endless "There she is!" Soul
The ship we've seen, but the crew? Not really.
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1121905/1girl-belt-black_legwear-brown_hair-cape-chiaki_ku
Endless Soul
2012-03-22, 09:24
Oh, the crew! Reading comprehension fail on my part.
Endless "http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/-floo-/Animated%20GIF/facepalm.gif" Soul
I'm thinking of getting this:
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/goods/goods_detail.html?KEY=NEOGDS-61307
I just need to know what is for exactly as I never seen that type of goods.
I'm thinking of getting this:
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/goods/goods_detail.html?KEY=NEOGDS-61307
I just need to know what is for exactly as I never seen that type of goods.
Large Cell Phone Strap?
Figures, well I don't have a cell phone so I guess I can't really use it.
AbZeroNow
2012-03-22, 15:33
I found on MAL(and I guess it's mentioned in the Mania link a few pages back) that the Mouretsu Pirates LE BD vol 1 sold another 800 in its second week(I know that first week sales are usually the highest and it drops sharply after that). The single "Mugen no Ai" appears to be doing well(how good is 48,000 as far as anime singles go?)
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=415779
If the home video sales are solid, but not specutacular and the music does well(I bet Starchild Records would be happy with that), maybe that's a hopeful sign. I also wonder if the sales of the light novels will increase thanks to the anime, and hopefully the merchandise will sell. I would love to get a Figma or Nendoroid of Jenny. (Maybe I'll just look into getting one of Chiaki-chan if one of Jenny never gets made)
I'm guessing that a reason to not have Chiaki as the main is that there is only so much room in the universe. It can't handle a cold faced, glasses wearing, hime cut, tsundere, extremely large ham, HanaKana voiced, pirate queen. It is too much awesome for one universe to contain.
I wonder if the tales of the dark haired Pirate Captain will conflict with the stories of the red haired Pirate Captain...and some liner passangers (and perhaps crewmembers) will be dissapointed they got the Red headed one instead of the more over the top black haired one.
I'm guessing that a reason to not have Chiaki as the main is that there is only so much room in the universe. It can't handle a cold faced, glasses wearing, hime cut, tsundere, extremely large ham, Hanakana voiced, pirate queen. It is too much awesome for one universe to contain.
This sorta explains why Will Riker never went on to be a captain... especially after the Borg episodes. :heh:
In order to keep Chiaki more into the show, she'd have to go where Marika goes.
Riker eventually became captain of another ship, the USS Titan, at the end of ST: Nemesis; he even has his own novel series (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Titan), too.
Novels can contain such things as it takes the camera to get the entirely of the awesomeness. I imagine the Miniskirt Space Pirates Light Novels can contain more Chiaki(-chan) than the TV screen can take.
Though there was an Episode with a real Captain Riker of the USS Enterprise when they had all the parallel universe Worfs around (as oppose to some future version or fake future versions of a possible Captain Riker).
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-22, 20:21
Riker is awesome enough to still sparkle even when overshadowed by Picard. Though I'd question the direction for Star Trek Titan was to be a comedy. Will even called it 'The Rikers' in his proposal! That never saw the light of day, but with MoP mixing comedy with scifi, then you guys bringing up Riker... THE MEMORIES. :D
I totally agree that Chiaki-chan is a more enjoyable captain. But this is not her novel. Instead, she should get a Railgun-type spinoff and make that explode with parfait-powered goodness. Like how her OreImo manga is far better than Kirino. :p
Thing is: you know that issue of Riker becoming Captain came up within Season 4 of TNG. If not, earlier. At that point, it was obvious as to why he couldn't leave the Enterprise: it'd require him to leave the TNG cast or just end up as this... side character.
Instead, she should get a Railgun-type spinoff
Oh my goodness. A full series on Chiaki would bring about many tears of joy. :D
Riker could be a good cross between Kirk and Picard.
I can't class Chiaki well enough yet for that (she's by the book and yet hammy enough (acting wise) to be a Picard I guess. Picard liked acting, though he was't a ham as I recall. Kirk was more action)....though I think Jenny might qualify in that role. Intelligent and Commanding, yet also with obvious humor and flair (see her response to the Lighning 11 and her thoughts leading up to that response). Only her inexperiance shows when the Lightning 11 shots at her and she reacts in the "eww how 20th century" way when Chiaki tells her they are using just their eyes and telescope rangefinders. She won't make that mistake again, I think.
Riker's only real problem was his last appearance....the final episode of Enterprise. That would have been a good episode....if it was a The Next Generation episode, or if it had been a two parter sliced with the episode it is framed within (about USS Pegasus). But it was not a good Enterprise episode because it focused on Riker....not the Enterprise and her crew. If it had been done in the 1990s as a TNG episode it would have been good as it would make you wonder what Captain Archer's speech was at the founding of the United Federation of Planets, and given a good chance of people wanting to see what happened back then...and start to a prequel series. But no....it was the end...of all those series, and was not very respectful to the show's own cast when the guest stars run away with the show.....but then that sort of stands to reason....Riker's awesome took over the show. (sorry) (and for what it is worth, the Fourth Season of Enterprise was awesome...especially the Mirrow Universe episodes....but it was far too late by then).
The hope is that Marika, Chiaki, and Jenny will have a long career and perhaps a sequal series. Because there has been a serious lack of space opera style sci-fi....from any coutry, in this decade.
Shimapan
2012-03-22, 23:19
Figures, well I don't have a cell phone so I guess I can't really use it.
You could still use it as a bookmark (for reading) or somesuch.
I totally agree that Chiaki-chan is a more enjoyable captain. But this is not her novel. Instead, she should get a Railgun-type spinoff and make that explode with parfait-powered goodness. Like how her OreImo manga is far better than Kirino. :p
I fully support this :D
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-22, 23:48
I wouldn't mind MoP being turned into a computer game. Create your own ship, crew and legacy! Interact with the cast in their quest for booty and Loli!
I wouldn't mind MoP being turned into a computer game. Create your own ship, crew and legacy! Interact with the cast in their quest for booty and Loli!
Screw all that. Turn it into a dating sim! :eyespin:
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-23, 00:10
In that case, it would be Commander Dolittle doing a neat voice endorsement of her favorite cafe all over again. Not to mention Chiaki being the most romanced crew member in the game. :heh:
even better if this sim was made by pre-EA Bioware. :D
Endless Soul
2012-03-23, 14:56
I wouldn't mind MoP being turned into a computer game. Create your own ship, crew and legacy! Interact with the cast in their quest for booty and Loli!
Screw all that. Turn it into a dating sim! :eyespin:
Why not combine the two? A Space pirate dating sim! Scour the galaxy for loot while building your harem empire. Sounds like a winner to me.
Oh, and dibs on Dark Queen Chiaki-chan. ;)
Endless "Pure win" Soul
Shimapan
2012-03-23, 22:35
Why not combine the two? A Space pirate dating sim! Scour the galaxy for loot while building your harem empire. Sounds like a winner to me.
Oh, and dibs on Dark Queen Chiaki-chan. ;)
Endless "Pure win" Soul
Combination sounds good :D
The better you are at space pirating, the more the girls like you, and thus the bigger your harem gets :D
justpassingby
2012-03-23, 23:12
An interview with Satou Tatsuo by Mantan-web [Link (http://mantan-web.jp/2012/03/24/20120323dog00m200040000c.html?mode=pc)]
.....
Also contains some spoilerific images for tonight episode :heh:
AbZeroNow
2012-03-24, 02:01
Riker is awesome enough to still sparkle even when overshadowed by Picard. Though I'd question the direction for Star Trek Titan was to be a comedy. Will even called it 'The Rikers' in his proposal! That never saw the light of day, but with MoP mixing comedy with scifi, then you guys bringing up Riker... THE MEMORIES. :D
I totally agree that Chiaki-chan is a more enjoyable captain. But this is not her novel. Instead, she should get a Railgun-type spinoff and make that explode with parfait-powered goodness. Like how her OreImo manga is far better than Kirino. :p
Chiaki in a Railgun-type spinoff would be too awesome for this world. Although I would like to see the private adventures of Jenny and Lynn myself. I'm sure Lynn puts her skills to use in more than just the "illegal faking attendance" skill. And we'd then know for sure if Jenny also is building her own harem.
Why not combine the two? A Space pirate dating sim! Scour the galaxy for loot while building your harem empire. Sounds like a winner to me.
Oh, and dibs on Dark Queen Chiaki-chan. ;)
Endless "Pure win" Soul
Oh yes. The pure win of that is so bright that I need to wear shades. Getting booty and unlocking harem achieivements. Yarrr!
Duly noted. Dibs on Jenny Dolittle ;)
Although I wouldn't mind mahjogg mini-games as part of that dating sim. And we all know from Saki that the best mahjogg players go no-pan :heh:
An interview with Satou Tatsuo by Mantan-web [Link (http://mantan-web.jp/2012/03/24/20120323dog00m200040000c.html?mode=pc)]
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Also contains some spoilerific images for tonight episode :heh:
Hmmm, I am anxious to see what a few of those images mean. At least one of them was very unexpected. Guess I'll have to wait another 9 hours to be able to see it.
justpassingby
2012-03-24, 04:13
Some pictures from yesterday and today Satelight's Tokyo International Anime Fair (TAF) booth and other companies. Pictures are from twitters (Satou, Mikako, Satelight) and 2ch. There were a Q&A session and also Komatsu Mikako's mini live.
http://i.imgur.com/2xyPMs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/2xyPM.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/21AIss.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/21AIs.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/hX7uSs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/hX7uS.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/njNzws.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/njNzw.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/SywWSs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/SywWS.jpg)
Mikako-shi :love:
http://i.imgur.com/ZWPPLs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ZWPPL.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/ZU3ges.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ZU3ge.jpg)
Mikako-shi role as Konoe Answer in Ipod Touch and Iphone game, RentHead. .........Scary :twitch:
http://i.imgur.com/WKaQFs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/WKaQF.jpg)
Director Satou and Mikako-shi's autographs
http://i.imgur.com/wYTf4s.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/wYTf4.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/QLMO2s.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/QLMO2.jpg)
Nendroid Katou Marika "We've Come to Pirate" version? :heh:
http://i.imgur.com/7k29Os.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/7k29O.jpg)
Marika's Harem The words are Black Holy's lyrics. According to someone who went to TAF today, it is going to be tonight's ED sequence. Hmm....how about previewing her other song in the single already :(
^
Last pic is going to be outright interesting. Suddenly the universe has EXPANDED!
welcome Grunhilde to marika harem > <
justpassingby
2012-03-24, 10:55
- Yachto Stroheim Aries ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!! <--- The space Snow Sheep :heh:
- Artifical Womb ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!!
- The last Serenity from the Ghost Ship ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!!
In the novel, it ended with Bentenmaru collecting their payment, and left the princesses at their home planet Aoi Ane (Blue Elder Sister, might want to short it as Blue Elder). Then Gruelle send a message to Marika that there was a trouble at the Serenity Palace. Marika, without hearing to the end what Gruelle was saying ordered the ship to turn around and jump to Serenity system.
.....They had a Conferring Ceremony and celebration for the Pirates
Next week is anime original then?
http://i.imgur.com/t8hHNs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/t8hHN.jpg)
Natalia Grennorth, Ai Hoshimiya, Yayoi Yoshitomi...the only three named characters from Yacht Club in vol 3 that make it to the anime? :heh:
Bleh the episode went so fast :uhoh:. I might want to rewatch it later
Join the Yacht Club.
Wealthy Women, Social Misfits, Space Pirates, and Loli Princesses.
justpassingby
2012-03-24, 11:46
So I did a quick check. The one who was asking for help at the end of the novel was Gruelle, not Show. Show did appeared though. The scene reminds me of Princess Leia "Obi-wan, I need your help" :heh:
Corrected the previous post. :P
Mobirates 12 - Gold Mode
There's something about wreckage of technological civilizations (or magical civilizations. Wreckage in general, really) that I find interesting form a storytelling perspective. The exploration of the ghost ship had a lot of character moments in it, which I can definitely appreciate. The conquest of the pirates' "take a third option" philosophy was really nice to see. Being a pirate means you can be an entertainer and a hero, even if obeying the law isn't the first first priority. So the royal family has at least three members now... and from the looks of it, Marika made another friend.
Overall, I would say this first arc improved my opinion of the show considerably. The show can have a sense of humor about itself, still has some of that magic within it, and fleshed out the characters. It's a good watch. So, onward towards the second half!
Did they ever explain how they got the ghost ship to make a controlled FTL flight to the Serenity home system in the novel?
From this episode, I got the impression that the ghost ship wasn't "lost" as much as "well-hidden" by past Serenity rulers, who used it as a piggy bank for discrete funds.
Anh_Minh
2012-03-24, 13:18
I must have skipped something, because I still don't get the source of the conflict. What did each sister want? What did the servants want?
What did each sister want?
Maybe they're fighting over a boy. :heh: LOLOLOLOLOL
AbZeroNow
2012-03-24, 13:30
I must have skipped something, because I still don't get the source of the conflict. What did each sister want? What did the servants want?
I'll spoiler tag this as a courtesy to those who haven't seen the episode yet.
Gruelle wanted to destroy the artificial womb or stop it from producing any more Serenity children. She also said something about the people no longer needing the Serenity royal family, which makes me think Serenity's homeworld has something like the U.K: figurehead royals, the head of state is actually someone else like a prime minister.
Grunhilde wanted to bring the colony ship to Serenity.
The servants just wanted a peaceful resolution, which is why they went along with Marika's plan.
Everything works out if your a pirate! Like how Marika sent a message to those 2 people that met with Gruier last time. Nice decision by Marika to take out the princess for a while. So Grunhilde joins the school next week.
DezoPenguin
2012-03-24, 14:34
I must have skipped something, because I still don't get the source of the conflict. What did each sister want? What did the servants want?
I'll spoiler tag this as a courtesy to those who haven't seen the episode yet.
Gruelle wanted to destroy the artificial womb or stop it from producing any more Serenity children. She also said something about the people no longer needing the Serenity royal family, which makes me think Serenity's homeworld has something like the U.K: figurehead royals, the head of state is actually someone else like a prime minister.
Grunhilde wanted to bring the colony ship to Serenity.
The servants just wanted a peaceful resolution, which is why they went along with Marika's plan.
I have to agree with Anh Minh about this. What I felt was lacking about this episode (and really, the entire arc) is that there were all these backstory hints about the political conflicts on Serenity and how the royal sisters had their own take on them. The "rose plant" source of the royals' bloodline was reasonably well-foreshadowed (with the incident of how Gruier's identification was accepted by a system that was created long before she was alive), but I never really got the sense that I understood what was going on.
What's more, I got even less sense that Marika knew what was going on. Now, the "cool part" of this episode was that essentially Gruier and Hilde's followers (including the pirates) were all reasonable people who saw no harm in seeking a peaceful solution, so the pirates (being the kind of outlaws who could gas a couple of royals unconscious :p ) were able to get the princesses and their pride and their personal agendas off the board so everyone could talk things out instead of having it turn into a bloodbath because of two tween girls who had strongly personal takes on the issue. Bonus points, of course, for the rose plant just happening to be out of babies, taking the issue of destroying or preserving it completely off the table. But if Marika didn't really know or understand the conflicts, how could she work out a solution with Yusuf, etc.?
So, in essence, I walk away from this episode satisfied by the "action on the ground"--what the pirates did throughout the search for the ship until they resolved the conflict, but disappointed because I never really understood what the conflict was about. That is to say, what did Gruier hope to gain by destroying the rose plant? If the royals were just figureheads, then there's nothing to be gained by exterminating them. If, however, they weren't figureheads--or some political strife is going on over trying to bring them back to power, or the like--then it might explain why Gruier is taking such actions.
Ultimately, the strength of Gruier as a character and her quest is entirely dependent on her motivations. She snuck onto a liner, smuggled herself aboard a pirate ship to seek help, set up a false cover story for herself on Sea of the Morningstar, then used the pretext of the yacht trip to explain her absence, while the delivery of the data to her developed into a shooting match between spaceships...everything here speaks of some very powerful, personal motivation, some deeper cause, something she hopes to gain or accomplish by cutting off the source of the royal family. But this is never explained to us, the audience, of why it's important, so I leave the story arc with a bit of a hollow feeling.
Did anyone who read the novel know if it went into any more detail about the political situation on Serenity and what was driving Gruier so strongly?
ookamigirl
2012-03-24, 14:48
So... now they're stuck on the ghost ship.
The exploration part was really interesting and nice to watch.
That cyborg sure came in handy on that ship ^^
The abandoned city & gene bank inside were impressive in size, but also kinda sad & spooky.
Things got really heated up once the competition arrived, but didn't expect them to join hands and work together. Still, it was nice.
This was the most interesting episode for me since this anime started ^^
Wandering_Youth
2012-03-24, 15:53
EH?! I was really expecting some action this episode with guns, lasers, bombs and muscle, but they pulled a fast one on me! :heh:
Lol, I should probably stop expecting any real action in this anime and just go along for the ride.
Anh_Minh
2012-03-24, 17:11
I'll spoiler tag this as a courtesy to those who haven't seen the episode yet.
Gruelle wanted to destroy the artificial womb or stop it from producing any more Serenity children. She also said something about the people no longer needing the Serenity royal family, which makes me think Serenity's homeworld has something like the U.K: figurehead royals, the head of state is actually someone else like a prime minister.
Grunhilde wanted to bring the colony ship to Serenity.
The servants just wanted a peaceful resolution, which is why they went along with Marika's plan.
OK, thanks. (And does that mean that the Royal Family just gets a new member from the Ghost Ship periodically instead of reproducing normally? Not entirely unexpected, but still weird.)
But what, exactly, was the crisis that sent those sisters on their ways, and how does control of the artificial womb solve the issue, one way or the other?
In very short summary: The Royal Family doesn't copulate?! :twitch:
Anh_Minh
2012-03-24, 19:03
Not for reproduction, apparently. Maybe they're all lesbians. Maybe Marika's building a harem.
Random Wanderer
2012-03-24, 19:11
I also feel like the reasons behind everything are very unclear, which leaves a rather unsatisfying feel to this arc. I don't know why any of it happened, so I can't make sense of it.
Maybe Marika's building a harem.
What do you mean "maybe?" :p
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-24, 19:25
In very short summary: The Royal Family doesn't copulate?! :twitch:Its just like the Ancient Belka, who used cloning to ensure each generation has the same superpower magic. Serenity uses them to give the impression of right of rule, or just the illusion of immortality. However, I believe all that's left is a long-dead woman's megalomania whose plot has run its course, leaving her clones to end it.
That said, the way this episode was resolved is like the good old days when Star Trek was pure and Gene was alive. :heh:
The Royal Family want to keep original Gene and DNA. that' them don't need to married for along time.
they're use that Rose to product the child.
that's why Gruelle wanted to destroy the artificial womb.
because if you married you can't keep your original Gene and DNA and royal power can change easy.
tsunade666
2012-03-24, 20:55
^ thanks for that info. It helps because the anime really didn't give much hint or explanation on it. But the episode itself is plenty fun watch and off all the anime I watch. This one is really special in a way I really didn't notice the time at all. I'm just watching and the next thing I know it's already half way through with the cut off commercial thing. It's really an exceptional in the way it sucks you through the story.
00Coyote
2012-03-24, 21:06
Maybe Marika's building a harem.
What do you mean "maybe?" :p
Marika's harem grew by 1, and she was ... uh directly responsible for the birth of one princess.
You got to hand it to her, Marika moves fast, swift and decisive.
RX-78GP04G Gerbera
2012-03-24, 21:07
Did anyone else besides me get the whole "Ultimate Coordinator" vibe from Gundam SEED/SEED Destiny with this episode? :eyespin:
tsunade666
2012-03-24, 21:13
what do you mean by ultimate coordinator? Kira was genetically engineered by birth to become the ultimate coordinator but here they just keep the original gene and dna of the royal family. Making an identical person or a clone.
Master_Yoma
2012-03-24, 21:20
So did they steal any thing or did they just help out the princess
00Coyote
2012-03-24, 21:31
So did they steal any thing or did they just help out the princess
I'm sure the Bentenmaru was well compensated for this particular voyage, probably not in pillage from the golden ship, but the Serenity Royal Family probably made some significant donations to the 'Help the pirates repair the damage from an awesome parking job' Fund.
RX-78GP04G Gerbera
2012-03-24, 22:22
what do you mean by ultimate coordinator? Kira was genetically engineered by birth to become the ultimate coordinator but here they just keep the original gene and dna of the royal family. Making an identical person or a clone.
I just mean because of that whole artificial womb, gene altering, and all that stuff.
I'm a little confused about what was going on on Serenity.
Not that the pirates care much, but I'd like some resolution.
Utsuro no Hako
2012-03-24, 22:43
I'm a little confused about what was going on on Serenity.
Not that the pirates care much, but I'd like some resolution.
The royal family are all clones made on the ghost ship. Gruier decided the whole royalty thing's outlived its usefulness and it's time to make Serenity a republic, so to do that she hired the Bentenmaru to find the ghost ship and destroy the cloning chamber. Her sister brought a fleet to stop her, but Marika managed to cut a sidedeal with the sister's forces and end the conflict before it came to a fight. In the end none of it matters because the cloning machine's was on its last legs and would've broken down before delivering the last royal -- though doc was able to keep it going long enough to "give birth" one final time.
dahl_moon
2012-03-24, 22:44
The novel itself is also pretty sparse on details. Marika (and the readers) are not told the full story, so I'm still quite confused about the political background. But here are a few things that the anime omits:
Serenity is considered a poor and backwater state, but its royal family is considered very old and prestigious.
Serenity is consisted of three star systems with seven habitable planets. The Golden Ghost Ship had brought the first humans to the tri-system. But they aren't able to invent FTL travel on their own.
After submitting to the galactic empire, Serenity's royal family finds it increasingly difficult to maintain unity. Many call for independence (although still within the galactic empire). Tensions flare up and settle down repeatedly over the course of history, and recently the royalists are again at the defensive.
The technology to reproduce the "Fountain of the Rose" is already common knowledge, but the symbolism is not. Serenity's royal family has been maintaining the illusion that the family is "natural born," not "engineered." Hilde (and many other royalists, I assume) want to continue that. Gruier (and her grandfather, the grand duke, who sent her on this mission), want to accept the flow of history.
After the ghost ship's return, the Serenity people, being staunch traditionalists and still having a lot of affinity for their founding myth, rally around the royal family anyway.
Gruier in the novels is a lot more talented than depicted in the anime. She actually helps out analyzing the sensor data by using analytics software, which is pretty damn impressive for a middle schooler:heh:
I don't think the princesses are necessarily clones; just genetically altered. Remember that the last time Serenity sent out a task force was before Gruier's birth. I think the Rose has more to do with legitimacy than anything else.
And another thing, in the novels Marika didn't negotiate with Yotov beforehand; she negotiated through lip-talking on the spot instead.
Random Wanderer
2012-03-24, 23:24
The novel itself is also pretty sparse on details. Marika (and the readers) are not told the full story, so I'm still quite confused about the political background. But here are a few things that the anime omits:
Serenity is considered a poor and backwater state, but its royal family is considered very old and prestigious.
Serenity is consisted of three star systems with seven habitable planets. The Golden Ghost Ship had brought the first humans to the tri-system. But they aren't able to invent FTL travel on their own.
After submitting to the galactic empire, Serenity's royal family finds it increasingly difficult to maintain unity. Many call for independence (although still within the galactic empire). Tensions flare up and settle down repeatedly over the course of history, and recently the royalists are again at the defensive.
The technology to reproduce the "Fountain of the Rose" is already common knowledge, but the symbolism is not. Serenity's royal family has been maintaining the illusion that the family is "natural born," not "engineered." Hilde (and many other royalists, I assume) want to continue that. Gruier (and her grandfather, the grand duke, who sent her on this mission), want to accept the flow of history.
After the ghost ship's return, the Serenity people, being staunch traditionalists and still having a lot of affinity for their founding myth, rally around the royal family anyway.
Gruier in the novels is a lot more talented than depicted in the anime. She actually helps out analyzing the sensor data by using analytics software, which is pretty damn impressive for a middle schooler:heh:
Ok, see, that makes it all make more sense.
justpassingby
2012-03-25, 00:34
Did they ever explain how they got the ghost ship to make a controlled FTL flight to the Serenity home system in the novel?
From this episode, I got the impression that the ghost ship wasn't "lost" as much as "well-hidden" by past Serenity rulers, who used it as a piggy bank for discrete funds.
To put it short, they resonated the three Roschmann nuclear fusion reactors' energy wave to knock the time-space balance, inducing Chrono Quake time-space quake and went into subspace
The previous places where the Ghost Ship was seen were time-spacely unstable, and that's why the ship appeared and disappeared there. And yes, the "Ghost Ship" was not a folk tale started by the folks, but instead it was from the Royal Family. You are correct about the "well-hidden", because the Royal Investigations Fleet do know where it will appear
The accelerator of the Ghost Ship applied Mobius Band (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip) (Sasamoto called it Ring) and energy coil that took the shape Klein bottle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_bottle) to 'wash away' the critical mass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass) for nuclear reaction to occur. (He made me read :heh:)
Well, at the end the Ghost Ship appeared near but outside of Serenity System, so there was no worry about it destroying the planet..........
Boy does Sasamoto really loves German :heh:. Reminds me of Tomino and his UC gundam :heh:
and also this
http://i.imgur.com/wyoWil.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/wyoWi.jpg)Glad there was no BananaG and Audrey Burn scene from here :heh:. It's not like there was gravity anyway :P. Oh, and expect another old time Hollywod actress's name to appear when they adapt vol 3
Well I'm guessing that is the end of that Arc. Marika sure shine this time. I wasn't expecting her to pull a devious move like that. I hope the next arc is awesome as well. That insert song "Black Holy" is nice, maybe I should buy the single.
Well now that Last Exile is over, this is now my premier show. It's time to re-watch the whole series so far since I have time to focus on this show now.
....
So after giving birth to Chibiusa, Neo-Queen Serenity decided that was too much trouble and started cloning herself, and the tradition held for thousands of years. That would explain the traditional hair style for civilian clothes use. And the Rose motif based on the traditional father or lover: King Endymion.
....
Or something like that. :p
With the closure of the Serenity arc, this episode did all right, but in return... :heh: As I said before, Marika's "universe" has expanded.
@dahl_moon: excellent explanation for some things left unsaid. :D
And...
"Everything works out when you're a pirate!"
This redefines the KISS principle -- keep it simple, stupid -- and the best way to get things done is to clear all other obstructions out of the way.
I've been enjoying this show, but like others have noted, this episode left a lot of unanswered questions from the Serenity arc. I didn't see this addressed above, but maybe someone who has read the novels can shed some light on the following.
When Gruier wakes up, Marika tells Gruier that the rose was drained dry of genetic samples. Gruier looks pained and responds with a soft cry of "No . . .". This would imply she wanted there to be genetic material in the rose (which she was going to destroy). But then when the baby is brought in, Gruier tears up and says "I almost killed this child?" This would imply she didn't realize there was any genetic material left. As someone from a family born through this process for generations, it seems likely she would consider genetic material in an artificial womb to be the equivalent of an in utero embryo.
So my question is, did Gruier initially want to "kill" the genetic material, but then once she saw the baby, she changed her mind, or what? I guess you could just chalk this up to a pre-teen princess not really considering the consequences of her acts, but I was hoping there is a better explanation.
On another note, the way Marika's deviousness is played, the show has it come across as clever and cute. But if you think about it for a second, Marika essentially sold out her client (Gruier) and made a "better deal" with Yotov to save her own skin/get a bigger score. Of course, in the end Gruier is happy that Marika sold her out, but that doesn't change the fact that at the time Marika sold out Gruier for a better deal, Marika had no way of knowing that Gruier would forgive her. That's not cute devious, that's straight villainy.
Serenity were Capsuleers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI53ydJaus8) all along? Lol.
LoweGear
2012-03-25, 04:03
It technically isn't "selling out" if both parties do the same thing for a goal that is mutually beneficial to both. It's more like Yotof and Marika knew a resolution favoring one party or the other would end in much bloodshed, which both of course would know isn't pretty, and yet both wanted their respective goals to be achieved. It would only be selling out if Marika acted with intent of throwing her lot with Grunhilde, which didn't happen.
Marika does continue to impress with her super-competency though, without appearing convoluted or contrived. Give her a few years and she'll do Bruce Wayne proud :)
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-25, 04:29
I was wondering when either Shebs or AX would come and post an EVE response to this episode. :D
Did anyone else besides me get the whole "Ultimate Coordinator" vibe from Gundam SEED/SEED Destiny with this episode? :eyespin:
I refer you to a certain Star Trek episode: Up the Long Ladder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_the_Long_Ladder).
I don't think there's enough genetic material in that rose to last for thousands of year (that's more than a pluripotent stem cell can provide). Instead, there's a limit to copying before replicative fade renders the clone unviable. So back then the clock had already been ticking.
With this being the last princess, a succession war is imminent. :uhoh:
(And yes, I have all of TNG memorized...)
Anh_Minh
2012-03-25, 04:46
So just add more cells from a living Royal. Or a bum off the street, who cares?
It technically isn't "selling out" if both parties do the same thing for a goal that is mutually beneficial to both. It's more like Yotof and Marika knew a resolution favoring one party or the other would end in much bloodshed, which both of course would know isn't pretty, and yet both wanted their respective goals to be achieved. It would only be selling out if Marika acted with intent of throwing her lot with Grunhilde, which didn't happen.
Marika does continue to impress with her super-competency though, without appearing convoluted or contrived. Give her a few years and she'll do Bruce Wayne proud
But in the end, didn't Marika effective side with Grunhilde? Marika and crew were hired by Gruier for a mission they knew to be dangerous to find and deliver Gruier to the Ghost Ship, so that she could then go on alone and destroy the rose. At some point Marika decided that the risk of further bloodshed wasn't worth the payoff she was getting from Gruier. At that point, Marika could have just told Gruier that the Bentemaru was off the job. Instead, Marika secretly contacted Yotof and made another deal: you gas your royal, we'll gas ours. We don't know if Yotof told Marika what Gruier was planning to do aboard the Ghost Ship or not, but either way, Marika knew she was working against Gruier's stated interests, without telling her.
In the end, Gruier failed to accomplish what she set out to do because Marika's direct actions prevented her from destroying the rose. In effect, Marika did side with Grunhilde, who was seeking to protect the rose. Marika effectively sold out her client and sided with Grunhilde's faction and in return they agreed not to assault the Bentenmaru's crew. Without the deus ex machina baby that melts Gruier's heart, would she really have been happy with the end result?
Gruier really would have been bettter off hiring Chiaki-chan for her mission of destruction!
I'm sure the intent is to show Marika's "super-competency" in setting the whole scheme up, as you say. But the problem here is that the anime writers were too clever by half and they make Marika appear to be willing to sell out clients to save her own skin.
Interestingly, from what I read upthread about how it goes down in the LN, Marika there comes off looking much better (quick-thinking, creative, etc.). I'd be curious to know why it was changed for the anime.
Didn't saw that coming, but then I doubt if there was a story that had absolutely no plot holes.
Anyway, and fittingly enough to end the arc, someone came up with a remix (http://www.djamaya.com/remix-works/momoiro-clover-z-moretsu-uchu-kokyokyoku-dai-7-gakusho-mugen-no-ai-dj-amaya-vs-groovebot-remix/) of the OP (not sure if anyone would like it).
justpassingby
2012-03-25, 06:56
Interestingly, from what I read upthread about how it goes down in the LN, Marika there comes off looking much better (quick-thinking, creative, etc.). I'd be curious to know why it was changed for the anime.
In vol 2
- She is described to be inexperienced in navigating through the storm. I think this imply the first time she went outside Tau Ceti.
- Marika is still learning, even though it has been half a year since vol 1 ended. The one who asked "What's a crossfeed?" was Marika, not Gruelle. She also like to watch->think -> decide.
- After Marika chased Gruelle from the bridge, Coorie asked about what is the priority of this mission? Marika answered the first one is that everyone will return safely, followed by searching of the Ghost Ship. Then Coorie asked some more, between the Ghost Ship and Serenity Fleet, which has the higher priority? And Marika said that Serenity is higher in the list than the Ghost Ship, saying there is no one living on the Ghost Ship :heh:. Too bad Marika was wrong. I wonder how the books will go if Marika, the Serenitys (especially the two princesses ) actually incidentally blow the Ghost Ship :heh:.
- Coorie asked Marika to train Gruelle in processing information. Though Marika said that she is inexperienced, Coorie replied that she is at least better than the princess. Several days later, Gruelle was helping Coorie and Ruka. Marika with Misa then talked. She sighed and said, "Is is because we're born differently?" (In the anime, Coorie said this "Umare chigai?). Misa said that the Captain is good, but the Princess's concentration ability is higher.
- Marika didn't actually offer the Princess her pirate attire, but instead Gruelle was the one suggested that when they talked to the Serenity fleet that was chasing Yotoff. Misa did said that the Princess is more suited to be a Pirate captain than Marika (joking? :rolleyes:)
- Marika decided to "solve things peacefully" by lip-talking with Yotoff, while the lip-reading was done by Misa. After Gruelle woke up, Marika said to Gruelle that she mouth-arguing with her sister will not lead to anywhere. Marika asked whether Gruelle has talked about this mission with Grunhilde and did anything resulted from it, and the princess said that they have talked about it several times. Marika added that even though the Serenity troop is under Grunhilde, they will still have problem pointing the guns toward Gruelle, but they don't have problem pointing their weapons to the Bentenmaru crews
Random Wanderer
2012-03-25, 07:27
In the end, Gruier failed to accomplish what she set out to do because Marika's direct actions prevented her from destroying the rose. In effect, Marika did side with Grunhilde, who was seeking to protect the rose. Marika effectively sold out her client and sided with Grunhilde's faction and in return they agreed not to assault the Bentenmaru's crew. Without the deus ex machina baby that melts Gruier's heart, would she really have been happy with the end result?
Actually, I would say yes, she would. Because the end result is what she wanted (no more Rose). She simply didn't get to destroy it herself. Gruelle won, Grunhilde lost. Marika did what she did to save lives, because the princesses were getting worked up enough that a fight would have been almost inevitable had they not been stopped somehow. And I am quite confident that Gruelle would not have been happy having people on either side die because of her.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-25, 07:29
Actually, I would say yes, she would. Because the end result is what she wanted (no more Rose). She simply didn't get to destroy it herself. Gruelle won, Grunhilde lost. Marika did what she did to save lives, because the princesses were getting worked up enough that a fight would have been almost inevitable had they not been stopped somehow. And I am quite confident that Gruelle would not have been happy having people on either side die because of her....this reads exactly like a Star Trek episode's resolution. :heh:
I wish this series would spent as much time explaining crucial plot points as it does detailing the technologies. I managed to get the gist of it, but was quite confused about a few things. Thanks to the novel posters who helped clear that up.
"Everything turned out alright" in the end, but I feel that was mostly thanks to luck. What if there had been plenty of genetic samples left inside the rose? Marika would have effectively screwed Gruelle over by surrendering the rose to Grunhilde's faction. In the first place, Marika had no reason to go behind Gruelle's back before even knowing anything about her intentions. Incidentally, Marika shouldn't be so quick to trust random old men, even if they look nice. She definitely betrayed Gruelle's trust. Marika's actions seems to make a lot more sense in the novel since she negotiated with Yotof after she saw the rose and understood what Gruelle's true goal was. At the time, they were in a deadlock and that was the only way to avoid needless bloodshed.
Since I haven't read the novels, I can't know for sure, but I'm under the impression the anime messed up quite a bit.
Dark Wing
2012-03-25, 09:21
Since I haven't read the novels, I can't know for sure, but I'm under the impression the anime messed up quite a bit.
I wouldn't say it messed up it just got that one event out of order but of course these things happen when you are under a time constraint.
I wish this series would spent as much time explaining crucial plot points as it does detailing the technologies. I managed to get the gist of it, but was quite confused about a few things. Thanks to the novel posters who helped clear that up.
"Everything turned out alright" in the end, but I feel that was mostly thanks to luck. What if there had been plenty of genetic samples left inside the rose? Marika would have effectively screwed Gruelle over by surrendering the rose to Grunhilde's faction. In the first place, Marika had no reason to go behind Gruelle's back before even knowing anything about her intentions. Incidentally, Marika shouldn't be so quick to trust random old men, even if they look nice. She definitely betrayed Gruelle's trust. Marika's actions seems to make a lot more sense in the novel since she negotiated with Yotof after she saw the rose and understood what Gruelle's true goal was. At the time, they were in a deadlock and that was the only way to avoid needless bloodshed.
Since I haven't read the novels, I can't know for sure, but I'm under the impression the anime messed up quite a bit.
Disagree . I believe that last minute lip talking thing sounded unbelievable to the animators since much communication would have been needed in such a short amount of time. Also, it would have been in Bentenmaru's interest to establish what dialog possible with ALL sides, since there was much potential for trading of live gun fire. Marika is supposed to be a pirate, which means the end justifies the mean, not a knight for whom proper due course is more important than results. You would expect a pirate to constantly search for better deals, although in this case, better in sense for everyone and not just Bentenmaru.
Gruelle is still a child. While she would firmly believed in need to destroy the rose, I doubt she had heart for any bloodshed. What she truly wanted was an end of unnatural continuation of 'royal cloning'. The objective of Hilde seems less clear, as I don't think she wanted to make the colony ship be viewed by the public. By making the colony ship accessible to public, much of past stories by the royal family would be exposed as lie. Furthermore, the fact that Royal Family used the ship as sort of piggy bank instead of sharing the wealth with general populace wouldn't likely be accepted well by the public. I don't know what the LN says, but as far as I can tell, moving the colony ship to Serendipity seems like too dangerous a gamble for staunch traditional royalist like Hilde.
I think bringing the colony ship to Serendipity is a very good solution. It is an invaluable historical artifact, which deserves to be preserved, studied, and visited by general public. This act has merits that should go beyond whatever the interest of the royals
Lastly, I wonder whether that rose plant indeed has ran dry. Even now, you can artificially create some DNA sequence and soon they will try to insert the artificially created sequences into cells to genetically modify them. As long as organic chemicals are available, all you need to clone someone is stored memory of the DNA plus accompanying protein information ( note : this protein information is very complicated, but still you can save them in database ). If you refill needed chemicals, that plant should work indefinitely barring some malfunctions or degradation of parts, which should be replaceable. If this was something in reality, I would suspect that people made up the story and deliberately sabotaged the plant a little after getting one more children from it, a children that may help in reconciliation process as well as making Gruelle be more favorable to preservation of the entire colonyship including what is left of rose plant. I may be bringing too much of 3D reasoning into this fiction which I haven't fully read, but as far as I can understand it, other than all of them being incredibly lucky, skilled, and too much goody-2-shoe, the sequence of events and resolution of the incidence mostly feels satisfactory for me.
Wild Goose
2012-03-25, 09:44
So, quite impressed with how the Bentenmaru's boarding team actually knows its shit - and keep their helmets on at all times, and are ready for trouble: when the lights hit, every single crewman is covering their six with overlapping fields of fire, and they're maintaining dispersion as they proceed inside the facility.
As for Gruelle, my impression is that she'd steeled herself to destroy the Rose, and has been viewing this through the interpretation of "This is my mission to accomplish, for the good of the Republic."
Holding that baby in her arms, though, it drives home a fact that hadn't occurred to her: destroying the Rose would have meant killing that baby.
It technically isn't "selling out" if both parties do the same thing for a goal that is mutually beneficial to both. It's more like Yotof and Marika knew a resolution favoring one party or the other would end in much bloodshed, which both of course would know isn't pretty, and yet both wanted their respective goals to be achieved. It would only be selling out if Marika acted with intent of throwing her lot with Grunhilde, which didn't happen.
Marika does continue to impress with her super-competency though, without appearing convoluted or contrived. Give her a few years and she'll do Bruce Wayne proud :)
Marika took the Paragon options when negotiating with Yotof, and then went for a rather spectacular Paragon interrupt... or maybe it was a Renegade interrupt... ah, call it Paragade and leave it as be. :heh:
Also, next episode has more Jenny, which is always good. XD
Utsuro no Hako
2012-03-25, 10:00
When Gruier wakes up, Marika tells Gruier that the rose was drained dry of genetic samples. Gruier looks pained and responds with a soft cry of "No . . .". This would imply she wanted there to be genetic material in the rose (which she was going to destroy). But then when the baby is brought in, Gruier tears up and says "I almost killed this child?" This would imply she didn't realize there was any genetic material left. As someone from a family born through this process for generations, it seems likely she would consider genetic material in an artificial womb to be the equivalent of an in utero embryo.
So my question is, did Gruier initially want to "kill" the genetic material, but then once she saw the baby, she changed her mind, or what? I guess you could just chalk this up to a pre-teen princess not really considering the consequences of her acts, but I was hoping there is a better explanation.
I don't think the Rose was running out of genetic material but rather the resources necessary for a fetus to gestate -- amniotic fluid, nutrients, etc. Remember, Marika said if they hadn't come along just then, the baby wouldn't've been born. That doesn't make sense if the machine was running out of genes -- once you have a fertilized embryo, you don't need further genetic material -- but it does if the machine didn't have enough nutrients to keep the fetus alive until it was supposed to be born. Gruier probably wasn't privy to the Rose's schedule and didn't figure there'd be a fetus inside when she showed up.
But in the end, didn't Marika effective side with Grunhilde? Marika and crew were hired by Gruier for a mission they knew to be dangerous to find and deliver Gruier to the Ghost Ship, so that she could then go on alone and destroy the rose. At some point Marika decided that the risk of further bloodshed wasn't worth the payoff she was getting from Gruier. At that point, Marika could have just told Gruier that the Bentemaru was off the job. Instead, Marika secretly contacted Yotof and made another deal: you gas your royal, we'll gas ours. We don't know if Yotof told Marika what Gruier was planning to do aboard the Ghost Ship or not, but either way, Marika knew she was working against Gruier's stated interests, without telling her.
You're assuming that if the Rose had been working, Yotof would've sided with Grunhilde. I'm not so sure of that.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-25, 10:55
Also, helmets help one save animation budget. So it makes sense even in our world... *shot*
Random Wanderer
2012-03-25, 11:04
I wish this series would spent as much time explaining crucial plot points as it does detailing the technologies. I managed to get the gist of it, but was quite confused about a few things. Thanks to the novel posters who helped clear that up.
"Everything turned out alright" in the end, but I feel that was mostly thanks to luck. What if there had been plenty of genetic samples left inside the rose? Marika would have effectively screwed Gruelle over by surrendering the rose to Grunhilde's faction. In the first place, Marika had no reason to go behind Gruelle's back before even knowing anything about her intentions. Incidentally, Marika shouldn't be so quick to trust random old men, even if they look nice. She definitely betrayed Gruelle's trust. Marika's actions seems to make a lot more sense in the novel since she negotiated with Yotof after she saw the rose and understood what Gruelle's true goal was. At the time, they were in a deadlock and that was the only way to avoid needless bloodshed.
Since I haven't read the novels, I can't know for sure, but I'm under the impression the anime messed up quite a bit.
I don't think Marika actually planned ahead of time to hand the ship over to Grunhilde. What was negotiated was "These two girls are going to be running with very high emotions when they meet. If they can't come to an agreement, rather than let them push us all into killing each other, we will knock them out and negotiate this situation ourselves in a less emotionally volatile atmosphere."
Thus, I don't believe Marika ever intended to betray her employer. She simply acted to prevent the high-strung girls from getting everyone killed, and then took the time to more fully analyze the situation. Once they discovered that the Rose was failing, she realized the whole argument no longer mattered, and so with the knowledge that the royal family couldn't continue the way it had been regardless of what either Gruelle or Grunhilde may have wanted, they worked out what should be done with the Queen Serendipity now.
Ah, but did Marika get paid twice? Remember Chiaki's ship is also suppose to be on this quest, yet they are playing Bentenmaru back home.
Disagree . I believe that last minute lip talking thing sounded unbelievable to the animators since much communication would have been needed in such a short amount of time. Also, it would have been in Bentenmaru's interest to establish what dialog possible with ALL sides, since there was much potential for trading of live gun fire. Marika is supposed to be a pirate, which means the end justifies the mean, not a knight for whom proper due course is more important than results. You would expect a pirate to constantly search for better deals, although in this case, better in sense for everyone and not just Bentenmaru.
It turns out I had misunderstood when Marika contacted Yotof. I originally thought she did it after meeting him the first time, but after listening to her explanation again, I realized that happened only last week, after she noticed the Serenity ships approaching and delivered her speech stating the lives of the crew and Gruelle were her top priorities. I can only agree with you then. She knew the Bentenmaru and Gruelle were in danger and did what was in her power to protect them.
I don't think Marika actually planned ahead of time to hand the ship over to Grunhilde. What was negotiated was "These two girls are going to be running with very high emotions when they meet. If they can't come to an agreement, rather than let them push us all into killing each other, we will knock them out and negotiate this situation ourselves in a less emotionally volatile atmosphere."
Thus, I don't believe Marika ever intended to betray her employer. She simply acted to prevent the high-strung girls from getting everyone killed, and then took the time to more fully analyze the situation. Once they discovered that the Rose was failing, she realized the whole argument no longer mattered, and so with the knowledge that the royal family couldn't continue the way it had been regardless of what either Gruelle or Grunhilde may have wanted, they worked out what should be done with the Queen Serenity now.
If that's how it went, then I have no problem. This raises the question of what they would have done had the Rose been fully functional, however. Gruelle and Grunhilde's goals were diametrically opposed: one wanted to destroy the Rose, the other protect it. There was no way to make both of them happy.
Maybe luck didn't play any role and they did destroy the Rose as wontaek suggested. While it would have been necessary to conceal such an action from Grundhilde, I don't see why Marika would have had to lie to Gruelle about that though. Furthermore, it would mean Yotof and his men betrayed Grunhilde and the Royal Family (I assume most of them did not agree with Gruelle). It's not impossible of course, but I don't think that's very likely.
Kaoru Chujo
2012-03-25, 13:19
Yeah, I was a bit confused, too. But it didn't affect my enjoyment of the episode. This show may not be a masterpiece, but for me it just works. Good little anime. Komatsu Mikako is doing a good job with Marika.
I conclude that Schnizer (or however you spell it) is a hybrid of Worf and Data. :heh::eyespin:
I liked it. Though I would like to know more about the previous Captain Kato, and why Gruier knew him. In how she called Marika just like him...Devious...in a good way.
Actually, I would say yes, she would. Because the end result is what she wanted (no more Rose). She simply didn't get to destroy it herself. Gruelle won, Grunhilde lost. Marika did what she did to save lives, because the princesses were getting worked up enough that a fight would have been almost inevitable had they not been stopped somehow. And I am quite confident that Gruelle would not have been happy having people on either side die because of her.
I can accept that I guess. The anime gives us so little backstory on why Gruelle is seeking to destroy the Rose that any resolution works really. The only real problem is Gruelle's surprised/pained reaction to being initially told the Rose was nonfunctional. If her goal was simply to render it inoperable, shouldn't she be happy at that point? Anyways, I really enjoy this series, but I wish Gruelle's motivations had been fleshed out a bit more.
However, if we include the background information dahl_moon posted from the LN, I think Madoka comes off not so well:
The novel itself is also pretty sparse on details. Marika (and the readers) are not told the full story, so I'm still quite confused about the political background. But here are a few things that the anime omits:
Serenity is considered a poor and backwater state, but its royal family is considered very old and prestigious.
Serenity is consisted of three star systems with seven habitable planets. The Golden Ghost Ship had brought the first humans to the tri-system. But they aren't able to invent FTL travel on their own.
After submitting to the galactic empire, Serenity's royal family finds it increasingly difficult to maintain unity. Many call for independence (although still within the galactic empire). Tensions flare up and settle down repeatedly over the course of history, and recently the royalists are again at the defensive.
The technology to reproduce the "Fountain of the Rose" is already common knowledge, but the symbolism is not. Serenity's royal family has been maintaining the illusion that the family is "natural born," not "engineered." Hilde (and many other royalists, I assume) want to continue that. Gruier (and her grandfather, the grand duke, who sent her on this mission), want to accept the flow of history.
After the ghost ship's return, the Serenity people, being staunch traditionalists and still having a lot of affinity for their founding myth, rally around the royal family anyway.
It seems like Gruelle and her grandfather were in the "republican" camp, seeking an end to monarchic rule by destroying the symbol (the Rose) of the monarchy's power. Grunhilde, on the other hand, seeks to solidify the monarchy's power base by finding and bringing back that symbol to remind Serenity's people of their traditions and history as a monarchy. If that's true, then Gruelle definitely failed, Grunhilde won, and Marika's actions directly lcaused that outcome.
As I noted upthread, I think it would be fine if Marika saw the Serenity fleet and decided to tell Gruelle that the Bentenmaru was off the job because crew safety came first. But pretending to still be on Gruelle's side while in reality being league with Yotof is less defensible, especially when Marika didn't know what Gruelle was attempting to do.
Interestingly, Yotof may be the real mastermind here, if we assume he supported Grunhilde's goal of preserving the Rose. He got the Bentenmaru to ensure the safety of his own forces and Grunhilde, and ensured that the Bentenmaru would not allow Gruelle to destroy the Rose. Not only that, but he got Cooie to deliver the Ghost Ship to Serenity! He is a ninja butler after all![/quote]
The two Princesses hair style in the preview, the Serenity name, and the Rose motif really does not help get the picture of this being the decendants of Sailor Moon out of one's head. The Earth-Moon Kingdom spread after the 30th century it would seem.
The two Princesses hair style in the preview, the Serenity name, and the Rose motif really does not help get the picture of this being the decendants of Sailor Moon out of one's head. The Earth-Moon Kingdom spread after the 30th century it would seem.
I knew, that I'm not the only one going crazy! :eyespin:
I wish Gruelle's motivations had been fleshed out a bit more.
Aye. We're getting some bit of "forced mystery", where things are kept hidden when we should be knowing some of these things by now. With the two princesses heading to the school in the next episode, we might get some light into that. Dunno.
TBH, I hadn't paid attention enough to realize that Gruier wanted to destroy the rose in the first place, and ended up relying on the "spoilers" from this thread to be aware of that. :heh: My attention had been more directed towards Marika during this "expedition". If anything, I'll just have to rewatch the series (which I plan to anyways).
This listing needs clean-up anyways:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bodacious_Space_Pirates_episodes
Random Wanderer
2012-03-25, 23:28
In random news, folks on another forum made comments about Marika building her harem. It may indeed be true that Marika is looking like she'll end up with the two princesses and Chiaki in her harem, but that's just a subharem, really. All three of them, and Marika herself, are a part of Jenny's harem. :p Jenny is the true harem queen of the series!
00Coyote
2012-03-25, 23:53
Now that we've seen crew outside the Bentenmaru, I've got a better grasp of how big she is. Using the princess as a ruler (since she's been shown to be 140 cm tall and adding 5cm for the spacesuit) I get the following:
The port side docking bay is around 485 cm high
The main body of the Bentenmaru is around 19 m in diameter
The dorsal engine nacelle is 83 m long by 19 m in diameter
Overall length is around 154 m
For the (inherently flawed) comparison to a present day boat, that puts the Bentenmaru about the size of a Ohio Class SSBN, except with more protrusions and engine nacelles poking out here and there.
http://i.imgur.com/qfxws.jpg
A pun was intentional.
The Bentenmaru would be dwarved next to Space Battleship Yamato at over 265 meters long.
The ship's compact size and more powerful engines, therefore, gives the crew an edge as far as the combination of speed and maneuverability is concerned, and thus appropriate for their mission requirements as fast combat privateers.
AbZeroNow
2012-03-26, 01:00
In random news, folks on another forum made comments about Marika building her harem. It may indeed be true that Marika is looking like she'll end up with the two princesses and Chiaki in her harem, but that's just a subharem, really. All three of them, and Marika herself, are a part of Jenny's harem. :p Jenny is the true harem queen of the series!
If you think of it as Marika's harem, there are actually four in her harem now(The Princesses, Chiaki AND Mami).
I never considered that Marika could be part of a larger harem that was Jenny's. If so Jenny would have at least five in hers(Lynn, Marika, Chiaki, Gruelle and presumably Grunhilde based on next episode preview). I am of course very glad to see my(OK, our) waifu in making her return in the next episode. I do wonder why she's on a screen talking to Lynn though. Time skip?(Since I think it was posted that Jenny was a third-year) If Episode 13 is anime original, I take it as a good sign that this means more Jenny once we see more anime original material. Because I still want to see Chiaki dressed like Kuroneko and Jenny has the class to look great in a Victorian-style dress. I also want to have that beach episode where Jenny, Chiaki, Mami and Marika all wear their swimsuits. People with certain tastes can also have Gruelle and Grunhilde too.
Random Wanderer
2012-03-26, 01:24
I never considered that Marika could be part of a larger harem that was Jenny's. If so Jenny would have at least five in hers(Lynn, Marika, Chiaki, Gruelle and presumably Grunhilde based on next episode preview).
You think too small! Jenny's harem is the entire yacht club.
(Since I think it was posted that Jenny was a third-year)
It becomes pretty clear when you look at them in their club uniforms. Go back to the episodes where the yacht club is on the eyecatch at the halfway point, and you can see the clear division by class-year. First-years wear the blue top, second-years wear green, and the only third-year (Jenny) wears pink.
Cosmic Eagle
2012-03-26, 02:36
Well even if the Royals are all engineered....what's wrong with natural reproduction like everyone else....or are they all sterile or something...
Myths and Legends can work wonders. And/or there is something special about the Royals that could be lost with breeding.
Afterall, just how many people could claim to be the Moon Princess....(wait that's wrong.)
(Now if the Royals has clones of four females as Royal Guardians...the illusion would be complete.)
Episode 13-15
Jenny and Lynn story
http://img.bongbank.net/iu/uur7e.jpg
end novel vol.3
5 anime episode : 1 novel volume.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-26, 05:24
"Crikey. Go to Yuri Alert. All decks, battle stations!"
Wild Goose
2012-03-26, 06:05
Kha - Excuse, me, Meister Babylon.
Do try to control yourself.
That said, looks like Lynn's crush is not unrequited afterall. XD
"Crikey. Go to Yuri Alert. All decks, battle stations!"
The Ensign answers, "Captain Marika! My cannon is ready!"
**the Captain looks at him funny**
The Ensign walks out of the bridge and returns, "OK Captain, my rifle is ready!"
**the Captain looks at him funny yet again**
Again, the Ensign walks out of the bridge and returns, "Ok ok, m'am. My pistol is ready!"
**the Captain gets irritated**
Shrugging his shoulders, the Ensign leaves the bridge and returns dejected, "Captain Marika, my pee-shooter is ready..."
Captain Marika replies, "Carry on."
**the Ensign leaves the bridge in tears**
The only real problem is Gruelle's surprised/pained reaction to being initially told the Rose was nonfunctional. If her goal was simply to render it inoperable, shouldn't she be happy at that point? Anyways, I really enjoy this series, but I wish Gruelle's motivations had been fleshed out a bit more.
I think she reacted this way because she realized her mission was pointless (since the Rose was already on its last leg) and that she almost killed her sister over nothing.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-26, 07:08
Goose, that was the only version of "Captain, I'm picking large amounts of win in this sector" applied to the current post I could think of. :p
The Ensign answers, "Captain Marika! My cannon is ready!"
**the Captain looks at him funny**
The Ensign walks out of the bridge and returns, "OK Captain, my rifle is ready!"
**the Captain looks at him funny yet again**
Again, the Ensign walks out of the bridge and returns, "Ok ok, m'am. My pistol is ready!"
**the Captain gets irritated**
Shrugging his shoulders, the Ensign leaves the bridge and returns dejected, "Captain Marika, my pee-shooter is ready..."
Captain Marika replies, "Carry on."
**the Ensign leaves the bridge in tears**
"I can be shot!"
:uhoh:
Good new!!!
Amazon Ranking 35 and 38
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It will be another year before we get our hands on the BDs in NA. I'm glad sales are good since the show is actually great.
chaos_animagic
2012-03-26, 15:22
Anything with MiniSkirt will be good, LOL...
But the plot is real interesting too. Hahaha...ha.........
Still kinda wished they would have more "miniskirt space pirates"...
BTW, with their current technology... I bet they could easily repair the "Clone Plant", since the "Clone Plant" were made 1000+ years ago... LOL
Good new!!!
Amazon Ranking 35 and 38
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Hmm. I may actually buy this series. :D
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-26, 18:35
In b4 Pirates becoming wildly popular during syndicated reruns like a certain other space series...
lone_wolf
2012-03-26, 19:01
Good new!!!
Amazon Ranking 35 and 38
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I wonder how many Japanese natives purchase anime through Amazon though. As I'm not a frequent Amazon consumer, I wouldn't know about its sales.
When I was in Japan from December to February, pre-orders for the first BD was sold out in places like Animate, Toranoana and if I can recall, Anibro/Gamers. I was staying in Akiba at the time so I was able to make daily trips to those stores.
I could be wrong but it seemed to be doing well outside of Amazon orders. Of course now that I'm back in the states, I can't gauge the 2nd volume. Sadly not too long after I left, it's when they start to advertise the series via billboard and banners on the main Akiba strip.
--Lone Wolf
一匹狼
Now that we've seen crew outside the Bentenmaru, I've got a better grasp of how big she is. Using the princess as a ruler (since she's been shown to be 140 cm tall and adding 5cm for the spacesuit) I get the following:
The port side docking bay is around 485 cm high
The main body of the Bentenmaru is around 19 m in diameter
The dorsal engine nacelle is 83 m long by 19 m in diameter
Overall length is around 154 m
For the (inherently flawed) comparison to a present day boat, that puts the Bentenmaru about the size of a Ohio Class SSBN, except with more protrusions and engine nacelles poking out here and there.
...
A pun was intentional.
Based on airlock size, Mass Effect's Normandy SR-2 estimated size is 216 m.
In b4 Pirates becoming wildly popular during syndicated reruns like a certain other space series...
How I wish this would be true....
DezoPenguin
2012-03-27, 16:57
Well even if the Royals are all engineered....what's wrong with natural reproduction like everyone else....or are they all sterile or something...
Myths and Legends can work wonders. And/or there is something special about the Royals that could be lost with breeding.
Probably, they don't want to futz with the genetics (especially when you consider just how much old-school Serenity tech seems to be coded to Royal genetics, suggesting that an absolute monarchy wanted to take steps to insure they stayed absolute as long as they wanted to...it's going to be interesting when they have to start adapting that before they run out of royals...).
Well, after watching ep 12 I was kinda surprised. Hmm ... it seemed to me that the storyline came to a "end of the first half of the show" conclusion. I personally found it to be satisfying and enjoyable, but it felt like a combination of "subdued" and "still hiding a lot more to come", so it was a little bit like a teaser to me at the same time.
Still - excellent stuff. Marika makes a great pirate captain!
7.5/10 vote for ep 12 from me.
While I would prefer for Marika to remain in space and continue with another mission... I can see why it's necessary to return back to the home planet (and school), in order to keep many of the other characters in the show.
While I would prefer for Marika to remain in space and continue with another mission... I can see why it's necessary to return back to the home planet (and school), in order to keep many of the other characters in the show.
There is also the matter of her still being enrolled in classes for school as well. And I like the fact that both she regards it as something important to fulfill responsibility wise and that the show does not somehow "gloss this over". Kinda one more teeny thing that makes the series feel a little more "real" to me....
Endless Soul
2012-03-27, 17:59
For the second half of the season I request, nay, I DEMAND more Dark Queen Chiaki-chan.
~pounds fist on table~
Endless "Good day, sir!" Soul
There is also the matter of her still being enrolled in classes for school as well. And I like the fact that both she regards it as something important to fulfill responsibility wise and that the show does not somehow "gloss this over". Kinda one more teeny thing that makes the series feel a little more "real" to me....
Yet, consider the time and effort required to operate as a ship captain. That's a full time job. Marika may have the natural talent, but it's not something to be taken for granted.
People who go through military service -- many post-pone schooling until they leave the military, and take advantage of the benefits, like paid college tuition. I dunno; just a lot of series are getting too rooted to the school environment, where it's actually kind of rare to find one - that isn't.
Well it is High School, which operates on different laws.
Wild Goose
2012-03-27, 21:49
Also, Misa strongly suggested that Marika drop out to concentrate on pirating, but Marika refused, wanting to juggle both worlds.
Random Wanderer
2012-03-27, 22:43
Also, Misa strongly suggested that Marika drop out to concentrate on pirating, but Marika refused, wanting to juggle both worlds.
It's not like being a pirate is going to go away. This is a lifetime commitment. If she quits school to be a pirate full time then she will have abandoned her education for the rest of her life. That isn't what she wants to do. A high school dropout isn't who she wants to be. Remember Mami telling us how hard Marika worked to do well in school and stay on top of her job and her club activities. Those are things Marika chose to do; part of who she wants to be. Just because something new has come along in her life does not mean she's going to abandon the life she had already chosen. She is still Kato Marika, and she is not going to let being a pirate captain change that.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-28, 04:10
It's not like being a pirate is going to go away. This is a lifetime commitment. If she quits school to be a pirate full time then she will have abandoned her education for the rest of her life. That isn't what she wants to do. A high school dropout isn't who she wants to be. Remember Mami telling us how hard Marika worked to do well in school and stay on top of her job and her club activities. Those are things Marika chose to do; part of who she wants to be. Just because something new has come along in her life does not mean she's going to abandon the life she had already chosen. She is still Kato Marika, and she is not going to let being a pirate captain change that."I'm Katou Marika, and Captain Katou Marika!"
A good Captain needs an education. At least if one follows the Star Trek path to the Captain's chair.
Heavy knowledge in tactics, ship handling, navigation, history, classical literature (it helps for making epic speeches), various game rules (typically chess and poker...both so you can either out think your opponent, or out bluff them), hand to hand combat, gunnery practise, and general engineering and scientific knowledge so you can also get your hands dirty if things break on your ship...or you need to break something on someone else's ship when you happen to be alone. These last skills also help you understand if your Chief Engineer or Science Officer is trying to pull a fast one on you.
Oh and model building. Because every Captain needs a hobby where one can show off their previous ships...either commanded, or one's they've looted in the case of the Privateers.
It's not like being a pirate is going to go away. This is a lifetime commitment. If she quits school to be a pirate full time then she will have abandoned her education for the rest of her life. That isn't what she wants to do. A high school dropout isn't who she wants to be. Remember Mami telling us how hard Marika worked to do well in school and stay on top of her job and her club activities. Those are things Marika chose to do; part of who she wants to be. Just because something new has come along in her life does not mean she's going to abandon the life she had already chosen. She is still Kato Marika, and she is not going to let being a pirate captain change that.
This is what I like about Marika. As much as exciting her inherited job is, nevertheless it's a mature and responsible decision for her to complete her studies, something that's missing in these days.
An educated privateer with common sense has a better chance of victory than her opponent.
MeisterBabylon
2012-03-28, 05:46
A good Captain needs an education. At least if one follows the Star Trek path to the Captain's chair.
Heavy knowledge in tactics, ship handling, navigation, history, classical literature (it helps for making epic speeches), various game rules (typically chess and poker...both so you can either out think your opponent, or out bluff them), hand to hand combat, gunnery practise, and general engineering and scientific knowledge so you can also get your hands dirty if things break on your ship...or you need to break something on someone else's ship when you happen to be alone. These last skills also help you understand if your Chief Engineer or Science Officer is trying to pull a fast one on you.
Oh and model building. Because every Captain needs a hobby where one can show off their previous ships...either commanded, or one's they've looted in the case of the Privateers.And seventeen years in the Academy... :heh:
Depends on the Trek and the Captain. Kirk and Picard seem to have become Captain in their late 20s. Kirk was considered a bookworm intellectual at the Academy, even taught some classes to the first years in his last year. When he wasn't chasing skirts that is. Picard was also an acedemic, but reckless until afterwards.
The new film Kirk is slightly different in personality, but even being shown to be a cocky bastard that chases anything with breasts, is shows remarkable intelligence in some fields and very good memory retention. They also promoted him to Captain right out of the Academy...which is highly unusual (and a few years early...though Kirk normally would have been Captain of a smaller ship by then if I recall correctly....just not of something as big and important as the Enterprise)
Marika will need her education in the future of being a Privateer. While a Pirate can get away with not knowing stuff, a Privateer needs to know things in order to survive. Since a Privateer is legal and registered with the government, they need to be able to know what the political history of an area of space is. They need to be able to act both in a professional fashion and in the dramatic over the top fashion (Chiaki is already a master of this). They potentially need to rub elbows with the galaxy's elite and shoud be able to hold a conversation that isn't all "This one time we had pew pew lasers" or "ARRR, WHERE BE THE BOOTY?"
Jenny seems to be the example of someone that can speak to the elite...though she is the elite it seems. She does have a way with words when talking to the dregs ("bakame, over")
Anh_Minh
2012-03-28, 16:43
A good Captain needs an education. At least if one follows the Star Trek path to the Captain's chair.
Heavy knowledge in tactics, ship handling, navigation, history, classical literature (it helps for making epic speeches), various game rules (typically chess and poker...both so you can either out think your opponent, or out bluff them), hand to hand combat, gunnery practise, and general engineering and scientific knowledge so you can also get your hands dirty if things break on your ship...or you need to break something on someone else's ship when you happen to be alone. These last skills also help you understand if your Chief Engineer or Science Officer is trying to pull a fast one on you.
Oh and model building. Because every Captain needs a hobby where one can show off their previous ships...either commanded, or one's they've looted in the case of the Privateers.
I'd hazard a good captain would need to complete her education before becoming captain... Inheriting not just the ship but the captaincy before she graduated puts everything all out of whack anyway.
Dark Wing
2012-03-28, 17:06
I'd hazard a good captain would need to complete her education before becoming captain... Inheriting not just the ship but the captaincy before she graduated puts everything all out of whack anyway.
You know I still don't quite understand why she couldn't just finish high school then step up and inherit her dads ship and captaincy? Did the crew have a deadline or something?
BBOvenGuy
2012-03-28, 17:11
You know I still don't quite understand why she couldn't just finish high school then step up and inherit her dads ship and captaincy? Did the crew have a deadline or something?
The way I understood it was that the Letter of Marque had to be held by someone from a specific bloodline, and that person had to perform acts of piracy within a certain time interval or the Letter of Marque would lapse. So the crew was stuck - they had to bring Marika onboard right away or lose their livelihoods.
The Letter of Marque can only be passed to a decendant of the previous Captain and is only good for fifty days without them engaging in legal piracy.
One would assume the rules are designed so they would eventually get rid of all the privateers from that Star System while still respecting the System's Rights within the Galactic Empire. So if your Captain dies without an heir or an heir can't hold the position, the Letter of Marque becomes void and the ship and crew either are forced to do something else that is legal, join the military (I guess that is an option), or become real pirates...the illegal kind, and be hunted down by the Empire.
Though I wonder what they would do if Marika had declined the offer, or she took too long? One assumes based on the urgency that the Letter of Marque cannot be held in Trust until the heir wishes to use it. (Thus the pirate ship and crew would need to stand down until they get a captain to make them legal).
Endless Soul
2012-03-28, 18:46
I forget, how long ago was the Letter of Marque issued to Marika's father? Is there anyone in the Sea of Morningstar government that would issue a new one if the current of lapsed?
00Coyote
2012-03-28, 19:03
I forget, how long ago was the Letter of Marque issued to Marika's father? Is there anyone in the Sea of Morningstar government that would issue a new one if the current of lapsed?
Can you imagine the soul crushing paperwork, red tap and bureaucracy of getting a lapsed Letter renewed? Judging by the amount of insanity Marika had to go through to get her Letter, it'd probably take an army of lawyers, several platoons of other people running back and forth between agencies, a lobbyist or 3 with well placed connections, and probably more than a few under the table negotiations to make that happen.
Traditionally a government only issues Letter of Marque in times of war to civilians that will privately fund their own warship to supliment the military.
Sea of Morningstar is not at war, and thus shouldn't issue new Letters. The remaining ones in existance are those left from the War some 100 years ago. Meaning that Marika's father and Chiaki's father probably got their Letters from one of their own parents sometime in the not too distant past. 20...25 years ago maybe? We think Chiaki's father isn't all that old and Marika's died of food poisoning. So the few Privateers running about would be special and rare.
as it turn out, no real fight in eps 12, but i agree about peaceful solutions and the whole eps is nicely done
Stevie_Nix
2012-03-29, 18:36
as it turn out, no real fight in eps 12, but i agree about peaceful solutions and the whole eps is nicely done
And really, that is main goal of any pirate, to get what they want without having to fight for it.:D
Heh, I have been extremely loving the series so far, and since the next arc is looks like its going to be a Jenny X Lynn heavy one, I just can't wait!:D
And really, that is main goal of any pirate, to get what they want without having to fight for it.:D
Yep. Back in the day of wooden ships, it used to be just one ship vs a whole fleet. Not exactly a good idea to pick a fight in that situation, unless there's absolutely no choice for it.
justpassingby
2012-03-31, 03:24
ACE event was fun.
The MCs: Satou Rina (Jenny) and Yasumura Makoto (Tadokoro LagRin)
Guests: Satou Tatsuo (Director), Komatsu Mikako (Marika), Ishihara Kaori (Madoka), Seto Asami (Lan) and Kayano Ai (Muginami)
.... .... ....
It's 3 vs 1 Oi :heh:
The event started with Mikako singing live. Then it was followed with quiz (Mopai vs LagRin) where Mikako won it (lol Shot Put). Finally, in the Shuffle Recording, the seiyuu played different roles in different episodes of Mopai and LagRin. The episodes were LagRin ep 1 and 3, and Mopai episode 9 and 13 (tonight's episode :heh:). The funny part was Mikako voicing Lan and Asami doing Madoka ...... it was the yuri hand-to-hand scene :p in ep 3, and they made up their own script.
Apparently tonight guest ED will be using the 2nd song from Black Holy single, Toumei na Yozora ~ Matataku Hoshi ni Tsusumarete ヽ(*´∀｀)ﾉ
Pellissier
2012-03-31, 10:42
http://i.imgur.com/3batSl.jpg (http://imgur.com/3batS)
justpassingby
2012-03-31, 11:03
Wut? You couldn't handle mustard? Thank god it wasn't wasabi :heh:
The f**k is this? Odette-kun? :heh:
http://i.imgur.com/EhTVss.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/EhTVs.jpg)
Next week:
Huh? So they're going to animate that part of vol 3? yatta
http://i.imgur.com/YY0I1s.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/YY0I1.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/Gg8SNs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Gg8SN.jpg)
Olivia ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!!
Well, IMO it was a nice episode.....lol
http://i.imgur.com/3batSl.jpg (http://imgur.com/3batS)
LOL. Marika's letting Chiaki do all the work. :heh::heh::heh:
Good new to day!!!!
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Utsuro no Hako
2012-03-31, 11:53
What a horrible turn of events...
Jenny graduated and Chiaki's not around.
And Gruier, you better hope Chiaki doesn't find out Marika's giving you parfaits or you'll find yourself floating through a coronal mass ejection. Nobody NTRs the Dark Pirate Queen!
sikvod00
2012-03-31, 11:53
The one singing in the ED in episode 13, is that Marika's VA?
Mobirates 13 - My Name is Hayabusa-kun
With the ending and the general tone of the episode, it felt like an epilogue to the Serenity arc that just occurred. The way the yacht club recruited its members reminded me of Yuki Jojima and her similarly wacky costume. There are so many members in the club, I wonder if we'll ever get any deeper insight into them. We know a fair bit about the Benten crew, but the Yacht club has only been slightly characterized, even moreso now that they have three new members and another princess in their ranks. The cat-monkeys instantly made my mind jump to Avatar (the Last Airbender, not James Cameron). I wonder how many other combo animals there are in this world. Some downtime after a major arc is a good thing, and for that, I enjoyed this episode.
And on a final note, the door to Marika's house is really, really cool.
mangatron
2012-03-31, 12:47
http://i.imgur.com/3batSl.jpg (http://imgur.com/3batS)
Rub, rub, rub your butt, gently down my.... wait, I think I got the lyrics wrong... though I wouldn't mind if Chiaki rubs her bbbbbbb- *mangatron is paralyzed speechless from a Glare Attack from Chiaki* :heh:
DezoPenguin
2012-03-31, 14:08
Mobirates 13 - My Name is Hayabusa-kun
With the ending and the general tone of the episode, it felt like an epilogue to the Serenity arc that just occurred.
Well-phrased. We even got some of the information about the Serenity political situation that I was ranting about not having before (mind you, I still would have liked to have it at a time where it could ramp up the tension in the actual story arc, but even so it's nice to have).
So Jenny graduated, huh? I miss her already... :(
I have to give this episode major props, though, for one element: Ririka's cooking. Or, more accurately, the fact that Ririka used to be a classic Lethal Chef character but actually learned how to be a really good cook (when her out-of-culture guests aren't eating the condiments, that is). So often "bad cooking" is treated in anime and manga like a genetic attribute nothing can possibly fix rather than a lack of having a skill, that it's very pleasantly refreshing to see this treated in a realistic way. Seriously, this makes me very happy. :cool:
Next ep. promo makes it look like Marika and Gruier are heading out to this setting's equivalent of seedy bars on Tortuga to hire new crewmembers. That could be fun! :)
ookamigirl
2012-03-31, 14:29
Marika sure became popular after all that.
Well... looks like royalty likes hanging out with her.
School sure got livelier since princesses joined.
Pretty relaxed episode with normal everyday life stuff ^^
Well if Jenny has graduated...she's avalible to become a full time pirate.
Spartanz1170
2012-03-31, 14:45
So it seems Serenity is going down the direction Great Britain went when it came to the role of the Royal Family.
I don't think you should feed someone of royalty that spicy food.
Overall this was a nice and calming episode but Ririka applying to be a captain again? I wonder.....
Well if Jenny has graduated...she's avalible to become a full time pirate.
Well I hope so. It will be nice to have her around still.
Nice Episode this week. It was a little relaxed, and I like it that they are back to school. It was very funny how they yacht club recruiting was scaring off potential members. At least they got new members.
Like how Marika got the medal and became famous. Lol Grunhilde eating the spicy mustard. I wonder what job Ririka applied to.
Looks like Marika's going to run into the crew from the Barbarossa next week. Least, I guess that is their crew, since we've been seeing them in the credits from the start.
Random Wanderer
2012-03-31, 19:30
so jenny graduated, huh
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! :sad:
I almost expected Grunhilde breathing fire upon ingesting that mustard. "International incident" :heh:
As always, great episode, plus the discussion on how they talk about giving the Serenity system full reform by allowing democratic processes.
And Gruier has a tongue-in-cheek way of summoning Marika. :heh: Nice one, girl.
I didn't think the last arc was that great, which made this episodes the best I've seen from the show in a while. I guess I just enjoy Mouretsu Pirates more when it's laid-back and character-focused, rather than plot-focused. Sort of weird given that the plot is about freakin' pirates in space, but hey...
Good character interactions this episode, and some very funny moments. Also, Marika looked great in that outfit in the previews.
Master_Yoma
2012-03-31, 20:58
A monkey cat was it all the fun as a monkey with out the ripping off your face:heh:
Random Wanderer
2012-03-31, 21:32
Jenny graduating and leaving the yacht club makes me sad. Why must the best characters always leave so quickly?! :(
Oy oy, Marika, what are you doing feeding parfaits to someone other than Chiaki? Betrayal!
A bit more politics of Serenity explained. Good to know.
I'd heard about the admin ring Gruier had before from book-readers, so that's no surprise. Helpful to explain how she managed to get aboard.
Ooh, a full-scale overhead view of the school. That's quite a campus.
Grunhilde is stealthy. Mad eavesdropping skills. :p
Important life lesson: don't eat hot mustard raw.
New ED again. That's quite interesting.
Preview looks... well... interesting. Not sure what to make of it yet.
ReddyRedWolf
2012-03-31, 21:43
LOL Ririka almost killed the old crew several times with her bad cooking when she was young. Obviously she learned better cooking from the airport chef.
Also I think I may have found another reason for Ririka separated from her husband besides raising Marika.
Captain Kato was a lady killer. We get that Ririka and Misa were rivals for him but the fact he gave his ID ring to the princess cinches it.
i think studio planned to take along of this story .First 26 episode may be finish in novel vol.5
but now i think it will finish in novel vol.4!!
Marika will have season 2 ???
It was said there would be original episodes after dealing with Vol 3.
So...everything aside, we really really need a human, competent antagonist that can match Marika and keep her sweating.
Lightning 11 served nicely, got the heart pounding, and had the audience on the edge. While the next arc was a bit better, most of it was just Man vs. Nature rather than serious Man vs. Man, which ended a bit abrupt.
What's going to be the main conflict for Vol 3.? All I have from the novel description is that they...recruit yacht club members for the ship. Oh.
Please please please have Chiaki's dad be it.
AbZeroNow
2012-04-01, 00:24
Well if Jenny has graduated...she's avalible to become a full time pirate.
That's the only good thing about Jenny graduating. She can now cross paths with Marika away from the school and hopefully she decides that pirating with Marika is really a good thing to do.
Marika could certainly learn about leadership from her(she certainly already has shown lots of potential and has done some pretty impressive things). Lynn probably keeps in contact with her for advice and for other reasons too. (Jenny's harem is still bigger than Marika's but Marika is gaining on her).
So now Marika's harem has officially grown to four, and Gruelle is really starting to make herself a serious rival to Chiaki. Fight on, Chiaki! You have got to find a way to return to Marika before your "prince" winds up with a princess.
So yeah, hoping Chiaki is there in the next episode and want more Jenny(I would love to see her in pirate uniform although she might be too classy for that).
MeisterBabylon
2012-04-01, 00:31
Jenny's gone, but I'm sure if she keeps running her company she will appear sooner rather than later.
LoweGear
2012-04-01, 00:54
I don't think you should feed someone of royalty that spicy food.
Grunhilde simply made The Number One Wasabi Mistakei: eating it.
Seriously, I've seen people in Japanese restaurants wonder what that green stuff is and then go choke on themselves when they take a spoonful of it, hence why the scene is so familiar to me. People don't often think of green food being spicy afterall :heh:
MrTerrorist
2012-04-01, 02:47
Like how Marika got the medal and became famous. Lol Grunhilde eating the spicy mustard. I wonder what job Ririka applied to.
According to her letter, it said "Class-2 Large Interstellar Ship License Exam".
So, Ririka might get her own ship in the future.
ReddyRedWolf
2012-04-01, 03:40
Grunhilde simply made The Number One Wasabi Mistakei: eating it.
Except it was Mustard.
LoweGear
2012-04-01, 04:43
Except it was Mustard.
Ah. I was under the assumption that "Hot Mustard" was a colloquial term for the thing, given how it looked (looks slightly greenish to me). Though the same psychology still applies :heh:
Anh_Minh
2012-04-01, 04:49
Who the hell tastes anything they don't know by the spoonful?
Kismet-chan
2012-04-01, 05:39
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Random Wanderer
2012-04-01, 07:08
Who the hell tastes anything they don't know by the spoonful?
From her expression, I don't think she recognized practically any of the food presented to her, so it was just one more item she didn't know.
This episode made for a nice epilogue. It was good to learn a bit more about the Princesses' situation.
As expected, Grunhilde joined Marika's harem as well. That didn't take long. I hope Chiaki will come back soon, she's missed out on a lot of stuff. Hopefully, this isn't the end of Jenny either, her character has too much potential to simply be brushed aside.
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
2012-04-01, 14:25
Am I the only one who is glad that Serenity arc has come to an end? For some reason, I wasn't too interested in the political conflict or the ghost ship, though it was nice to see that Marika is slowly growing into a reliable captain.
Sigh, don't mind me. This is ALL Chiaki's fault. I miss her!
Stevie_Nix
2012-04-01, 14:38
Really enjoyed this episode.
Heh, Ririka clearly now approves of Marika and Gurier's relationship. Though it looks like Marika might just end up in the middle of another love triangle between the sisters.
Here is hoping that now Jenny is graduated, she really does become part of Marika's crew.
Hopefully Chiaki returns soon, otherwise her captain might just be stolen by a couple of Princesses.
And Gruier has a tongue-in-cheek way of summoning Marika. :heh: Nice one, girl.
I think that was in part pay back for Marika's deceiving her. Heh, Gurier really is becoming as devious as Marika.
I thought ep 13 was very ... well ... endearing. :)
Regarding Grunhilde taking a mouthful of hot mustard - I was reminded of when I went out to eat at a Japanese restaurant with some others in SoCal and one person who had never eaten or been exposed to that kind of cuisine saw this small lump of green paste on the table and said: "Oh look! Guacamole!" and before we could say or do anything scooped it all up in a spoon and ate the ENTIRE thing.
Five minutes later when his senses had returned to him we explained how wasabi was most often used. :heh:
Anyhoo ... ep 13 gets a 7/10 vote from me. :)
Oh yes - the notion of the cyborg being a gym teacher at an all girls academy also made me lol.
ReddyRedWolf
2012-04-01, 15:18
Oh yes - the notion of the cyborg being a gym teacher at an all girls academy also made me lol.
I thought they had to rebuild him after eating what Ririka cooked back then.:heh:
Dark Wing
2012-04-01, 16:33
Also I think I may have found another reason for Ririka separated from her husband besides raising Marika.
Captain Kato was a lady killer. We get that Ririka and Misa were rivals for him but the fact he gave his ID ring to the princess cinches it.
This wouldn't surprise me one bit since Marika had to get her swag from somewhere...:heh:
Endless Soul
2012-04-01, 17:18
A little late to the Episode 13 party. Sorry about that, but I did manage to watch it while taking a break from packing things into the truck.
Oh Chiaki-chan, that Princess Loli is standing on YOUR spot at the top of the stairs, she's sitting on YOUR stool, and she's eating YOUR parfait! You had better come back and do something about this situation. What will you do, my Dark Queen Chiaki?
Also, it seems like the cat monkey is going to cause a dangerous tribble-incident aboard the Bentenmaru.
http://whatnot2crochet.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tribbles3.jpg
Endless "Don't lose, Chiaki!" Soul
MeisterBabylon
2012-04-01, 17:51
At least we now know that non-Earth species do exist...
Dark Wing
2012-04-01, 18:15
At least we now know that non-Earth species do exist...
Evolution Baby! YEA!
Stevie_Nix
2012-04-01, 18:40
A little late to the Episode 13 party. Sorry about that, but I did manage to watch it while taking a break from packing things into the truck.
Oh Chiaki-chan, that Princess Loli is standing on YOUR spot at the top of the stairs, she's sitting on YOUR stool, and she's eating YOUR parfait! You had better come back and do something about this situation. What will you do, my Dark Queen Chiaki?
I'm suddenly imagining an epic sword duel between Captain Chiaki and Princess Gurier over Marika's hand. Of course the winner will be Captain Marika since do something awsome, making both Chiaki and Gurier forget their fight and totally squee at their beloved Captain.
Or I can see Chiaki and Gurier joining forces to keep Marika all to themselves. Of course I wonder what Mami and Gurhilde will have to say about that.:p
MeisterBabylon
2012-04-01, 18:40
Unless that came from a lemur, I dont think I can account for tribble within Darwin theory.
And its not a million years yet.
Cosmic Eagle
2012-04-02, 00:16
The yacht club mascot....so cute....
Does anyone know when Black Holy and the guest ED this ep (透明な夜空～瞬く星に包まれて～) are out?
Cosmic Eagle
2012-04-02, 05:25
sm17287485
today amazon ranking > <
http://img.bongbank.net/iu/2571untitled.jpg
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because it's very interest not service or moe anime has TOP 20 Rank than other anime.
this's anime can sell because it's a Great anime. > <
justpassingby
2012-04-02, 06:13
^ Dude no need to bring up the Amazon ranking every now and then :heh:
In other news, OST 2 will be bundled with BD Vol 4 [source (https://twitter.com/#!/captainMARIKA/status/186355797679276032)] . Can't wait for Yacht Club Song ... ~ara Yacht :heh:
When I heard that Mikako-shi was going to appear in angela (the Stellvia OPs and EDs) radio show last Saturday, I was hoping that there will be a change in Pirates OP and ED. But alas, Mikako-shi is actually becoming the new member of the band (twin vocal and she'll be playing Marimba) [source (https://twitter.com/#!/mikakokomatsu/status/186323974349783040)] (April fool? :P)
Lastly, this pixiv guy here (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=26268328)was delaying his news because he thought that people will take it as April Fool, but then Sasamoto himself tweeted him.......and yeah he's going to do the manga version of Miniskirt Pirates (not Mouretsu?). I guess the previous leak about which features Gonzaemon as Gonzales and Jenny looked like that Bank President from Star Driver was a fake? hmm
http://i.imgur.com/5XQbjl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/5XQbj.jpg)...What have you done to Schnitzer? :twitch:
Edit: Speaking of Stellvia, anyone remember Yayoi Fujisawa and Arisa Glennorth?
LoweGear
2012-04-02, 09:38
sm17287485
Single Where. I Must Possess. I NEED. :T_T:
MeisterBabylon
2012-04-02, 09:51
I think I hear someone worthy of being a Cool-type Id@l. :eek:
MrTerrorist
2012-04-02, 10:14
^ Dude no need to bring up the Amazon ranking every now and then :heh:
In other news, OST 2 will be bundled with BD Vol 4 [source (https://twitter.com/#!/captainMARIKA/status/186355797679276032)] . Can't wait for Yacht Club Song ... ~ara Yacht :heh:
When I heard that Mikako-shi was going to appear in angela (the Stellvia OPs and EDs) radio show last Saturday, I was hoping that there will be a change in Pirates OP and ED. But alas, Mikako-shi is actually becoming the new member of the band (twin vocal and she'll be playing Marimba) [source (https://twitter.com/#!/mikakokomatsu/status/186323974349783040)] (April fool? :P)
Lastly, this pixiv guy here (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=26268328)was delaying his news because he thought that people will take it as April Fool, but then Sasamoto himself tweeted him.......and yeah he's going to do the manga version of Miniskirt Pirates (not Mouretsu?). I guess the previous leak about which features Gonzaemon as Gonzales and Jenny looked like that Bank President from Star Driver was a fake? hmm
http://i.imgur.com/5XQbjl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/5XQbj.jpg)...What have you done to Schnitzer? :twitch:
Edit: Speaking of Stellvia, anyone remember Yayoi Fujisawa and Arisa Glennorth?
Wait, i recognize that art style. That's the artist who's doing Maoyuu Maou Yuusha - Other Side of The Hill (http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=65628)!
An intersting side note: In the new Space Battleship Yamato 2199, the scene where the Earth Fleet is ordered to surrender is still there, and the answer is the same. However this time around we get the grin on the radio operator's face when he gets told to send "bakame" to the enemy. A grin very much like Lynn's in the fifth episode of this show when Jenny told them she was sending "bakame" to the Lightning 11 as her responce to the order to surrender.
Part of me thinks:
Hmmm, what will that Loli Princess look like when she's older? :heh::eyespin:
And for Eps 14 -- looking forward to Marika dressed in that tight skirt. :cool::D
Pirate Maid Cafe design by the witch MAMI :D
http://img.bongbank.net/ik/27ca2749a50441eb8bf7cabd0fe864c927b61879.jpg
Pirate Maid Cafe design by the witch MAMI :D
http://img.bongbank.net/ik/27ca2749a50441eb8bf7cabd0fe864c927b61879.jpg
Bad Mami bad! Someone spank Mami! :heh:
And yet Marika makes it work.
Chiaki would probably make it work better....
chaos_animagic
2012-04-03, 21:50
ep 13
I laughed at the "yacht club mascot"... really... a space ship, LOL (or at least I think it was....)
Also at the "Hot mustard"... bet the poor lil'princess couldn't taste anything afterwards for a while. LOL
BTW... how many episodes is this series? I had it down on my list as ep 13 end... but there's an ep 14...
DezoPenguin
2012-04-03, 21:53
ep 13
I laughed at the "yacht club mascot"... really... a space ship, LOL (or at least I think it was....)
Also at the "Hot mustard"... bet the poor lil'princess couldn't taste anything afterwards for a while. LOL
BTW... how many episodes is this series? I had it down on my list as ep 13 end... but there's an ep 14...
26.
Which brings up a point I've got to ask. BSP was announced as 26 episodes right from the very beginning, and yet this thread (and other, similar threads I've seen on other sites...heck, including Crunchyroll, where the thing is actually streaming) are full of people thinking it's only 13. Why is there such widespread confusion over its length? :confused::eyespin::eyebrow:
^
I think that there were so many 12/13-episode (or 1-cour) shows for several years that it has become the norm, and anything more than that are infrequent.
People have become very accustomed to the 12 and 13 episode pacing. I have to admit: I did too. Yet, this 26-episode pace mixed with the sci-fi spaceship theme, it felt like a good breath of fresh air.
Surely, we've had some other 20+ length series fairly recently such as Gosick, Mawaru Penguindrum, and Stein's Gate. None of these dealt with the space "adventure" theme.
chaos_animagic
2012-04-04, 11:17
I actually got the episode count from AnimeNewsNetwork...
I don't think they update it anymore ;(
A lot of things there are out-dated or mis-informed...
AnimeNewsNetwork used to be the main source for like 80% of people that watches Anime...
They used to update daily and all info was correct and up-to-date...
But I think with "MyAnimeList" and a whole bunch of new Blogs... They stopped updating as good as before...
Kaoru Chujo
2012-04-04, 21:34
...AnimeNewsNetwork used to be the main source for like 80% of people that watches Anime... They used to update daily and all info was correct and up-to-date... But I think with "MyAnimeList" and a whole bunch of new Blogs... They stopped updating as good as before...ANN is largely a wiki with editors. If we don't contribute, the info doesn't get updated. I still prefer it, for my purposes, since it presents the info I want in the simplest way. I'm just careful about what info I accept, as I am with every other site on the Net.
Episode totals are notoriously hard to get right. I trust the relentlessness (http://www.relentlessness.com/blog/anime-episode-counts/) blog, which infers totals from DVD offerings. He says 26 episodes.
By the way, since Komatsu Mikako, who plays Marika, has a single coming out next week (see Cosmic Eagle's post a while ago), there are new pics of her around. Such as these:
http://i.imgur.com/o5fV2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sZHxv.jpg
Her image song single is available from CDJapan (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/search3.html?r=any&exact=&q=mikako+komatsu+black+holy&order=score&media=&step=20), Amazon Japan (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/switch-language/product/B0071CRSHS/ref=dp_change_lang?ie=UTF8&language=en_JP), etc.
http://img.bongbank.net/ix/1060599.jpg
00Coyote
2012-04-06, 09:45
http://img.bongbank.net/ix/1060599.jpg
So Cute! We need more pictures like this.
justpassingby
2012-04-06, 10:03
Regarding the number of episodes, when I was following the twitter #mo_retsu, there are Japanese and/or Japanese-able people who didn't know that this is going to be 26 episodes. Believe it or not, there are people who didn't watch the preview segment, as it comes after the ED song AND TV advertisements :heh:
That aside, the cover for BD Vol 3 Limted Edition http://i.imgur.com/JaUvC.jpg So Marika actually equalizes her count to Gruelle of being the main cover girl for the novels (3-3) :heh: with the other two were Chiaki (vol 3) and Müller Grant (vol 6) ...German :P
http://i.imgur.com/2Twv7.jpg
illustion of novel is changing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hopefully things will get interesting this time (they should be with more pirates).
On a side note, both Rina Sato (Jenny Dolittle) and Mikako Komatsu (Marika Kato) are in the new Space Battleship Yamato 2199. Rina Sato plays the new ship's Nurse (Makoto Harada) while Mikako has a minor role as the little brother (Jirō Shima) to one of the main characters (Daisuke Shima). It makes the little "bakame" scene in Episode 5 all the more interesting.
justpassingby
2012-04-07, 06:12
^Better not to get your hope too high, because the title is as straightforward as it can be :P. IMO the earlier part of book 3 deals with the theme "Trust" between Marika and her surrounding people. Also, nostalgia goggle in forms of cameos (if they're able to show them in this episode) :heh:
I don't know how they're going to adapt book 3, but I do know that they already did one thing wrong: Marika's business suit is supposed to be dark blue, before ending up as red :P
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