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P.A Works 10th anniversary work Hana-Saku Iroha just got announced, has character designs by Mel Kishida. Hopefully they give the designs more justice than A-1 did with Sora Noto.... anyway that's Itou Kanae speaking in the promo isn't it?
The official website of the animation studio P.A. Works (true tears, CANAAN, Angel Beats!) is hosting a webpage and promotional video for the studio's 10th anniversary work, Hana-Saku Iroha. The project, which the video describes as "steadily in the works," features original character designs by Mel Kishida (So-Ra-No-Wo-To) and an image song, "Patricia," sung by nano.RIPE. The story centers around Ohana Matsumae, a 16-year-old Tokyo native who ended up working at a onsen ryokan (hot spring inn). Matsumae has yet to decide her future.
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FireChick
2010-08-01, 10:36
A girl working at a hot spring inn? I like the designs and all, but...I pretty much suspect there's gonna be ecchi all over this. I apologize for being a weirdo.:heh:
The clothes and building remind me Taishou Yakyuu Musume so Taishou period ?
I wonder how they'll adapt Mel's design. There's a staff list on 2ch but nothing official.
ITOU KANAAAAAEEEE <3
I'm excited. =3
The characters look gorgeous. Hopefully, the anime's chara design will be good as well, I doubt it'll be worse than A-1's anyhow, but you never know.
A girl working at a hot spring inn? I like the designs and all, but...I pretty much suspect there's gonna be ecchi all over this. I apologize for being a weirdo.:heh:
The soothing song, the speech and the designs makes me think it'll be slice of life. I can't really picture something ecchi after watching that trailer.
FireChick
2010-08-01, 16:35
The soothing song, the speech and the designs makes me think it'll be slice of life. I can't really picture something ecchi after watching that trailer.
Hehehehe. I tend to be kinda over cautious and OCD when it comes to anime being clean of all ecchi. I want to be sure of that in advance before watching it. I'll wait for more information to come out.
Marisa Kirisame
2010-08-01, 17:44
I'm just here for Mel Kishida's beautiful designs :heh: Girls working at a hot spring inn? I dunno, original anime are usually a bit more...ambitious. But it's true that from the preview, I am feeling more like "Aria" than "Love Hina".
Also, congratulations to P.A. works for finally making a completely original series, especially after so many well-made half-original series.
SwiftStrike
2010-08-01, 18:58
recognized her voice right away lol.
Hope its as good as all the past shows they've "worked on", although the story seems kind of...unique.
Agreed on the designs (although its just art atm), much different than sora no woto.
Another "public lie" ?
I'm still remember how I cried out aloud after seeing Sora no Woto turn to.
If that just concept, and wouldn't adapted to actual work. I will never watch anime from P.A again. (I know SnW not from P.A bruh)
Enough with this "Original Chara Design" shit.
Are people seriously still bitter about SnW? T_T
There's an original character designer and an anime character designer who adapts the original artwork into something a team of animators can draw 1000+ times. As cool as it would be to have an anime that looks like a moving Kishida Mel illustration, it's simply impossible without a budget the size of Japan's GDP.
I mean seriously, the creators aren't trying to displease their audience. I'm astounded by people who seem to think that anime staff and studio are "out to get them" by ruining their favorite artists/manga/novels etc.
(Endless Eight is an exception)
Are people seriously still bitter about SnW? T_T
There's an original character designer and an anime character designer who adapts the original artwork into something a team of animators can draw 1000+ times. As cool as it would be to have an anime that looks like a moving Kishida Mel illustration, it's simply impossible without a budget the size of Japan's GDP.
I mean seriously, the creators aren't trying to displease their audience. I'm astounded by people who seem to think that anime staff and studio are "out to get them" by ruining their favorite artists/manga/novels etc.
(Endless Eight is an exception)
Then don't show shits about it then... Seriously they show it just seems like they gonna use it in actual works (put that SO BIG as main illustration in their webs for example.)
And if this one is another "lie" I would be so pissed off, because they already make a PV with that chara design concept, even though I have no expectation they gonna really use it in actual works.
Btw as glorious as Kishida Meru arts looked, I thinks that not so "expensive" to adapt it into animation. Its just the pastel color effect that make it seems like that.
I'd like you to point me to somewhere that says or even implies, "Hey, this is what the anime is actually going to look like!" Where is this "lie" that you are so caught up on?
It's concept art. As in, these are the original character designs and we're currently in the planning stage. When they put up character profiles on the official website I guarantee they will use the anime character design art instead of Kishida Mel's illustrations. You shouldn't expect the anime to look exactly like the illustrations. The illustrations represent the character designs, not a frame of animation; do you even know what a character design is?
As for whether animating in that illustration style would be hard... god I really don't want to give a lecture on the differences between illustration and animation. Put it this way: why are cartoons or anime or ANYTHING 2-D animated NEVER drawn to look like realistic people? After all, any skilled illustrator can make a contour drawing of a realistic person, right? So why aren't they animated like that? Think about it.
Well I know they didn't actually lie in literally, but still they'll pissed off some (if not most) people if they put it as it seems that gonna be the looks in actual works.
It's concept art.>You shouldn't expect the anime to look exactly like the illustration>
Yes that an only concept, but you can't deny that concept that make people turn their eyes to that subject eh ?
So what the point to show the concept if wouldn't showed in actual works ?
As for whether animating in that illustration style would be hard... god I really don't want to give a lecture on the differences between illustration and animation. Put it this way: why are cartoons or anime or ANYTHING 2-D animated NEVER drawn to look like realistic people? After all, any skilled illustrator can make a contour drawing of a realistic person, right? So why aren't they animated like that? Think about it.
Blah... what you talking about ?
Animations work is always about adapting.
Concept --> Actual works, that its. simple.
Its can be like realistic people if the concept's want the animator draw it like so. you want to say the animator can't draw similar object looks like certain people work ?
Well at least they can give justice in their initial concept.
ZODDGUTS
2010-08-02, 23:30
SnW was disappointing in many ways the art happens to be one of them, talk about being moefied. Anyways moving on from that disappointing series, this series looks like it's a slice of life, will give it a try. Hopefully they don't dumb down Mel Kishida art here.
Well I know they didn't actually lie in literally, but still they'll pissed off some (if not most) people if they put it as it seems that gonna be the looks in actual works.
you are the only one that seems "angered"/concerned by some kind of possible change they might do to the character designs. yes, they are going to **slightly** change the character designs, so they can animate the work within the time/budget constraints. it's a rather far-fetched idea to think that they are going to use the original illustration as the artwork of an animated project.
So what the point to show the concept if wouldn't showed in actual works ?
Blah... what you talking about ?
so you can get an idea of the concept they are working on.
Animations work is always about adapting.
Concept --> Actual works, that its. simple.
Its can be like realistic people if the concept's want the animator draw it like so. you want to say the animator can't draw similar object looks like certain people work ?
it's not as simple as you make it out to be.
you are the only one that seems "angered"/concerned by some kind of possible change they might do to the character designs.
excuse me sir, your point?
I'd read the alterations of Kishida Meru design in SnW is one of disappointment point from the fans.
And I'm sure you read some of it on here
so you can get an idea of the concept they are working on.
Well... yeah ?
If they shown some illustrations, that means we can guess it right ?
it's not as simple as you make it out to be.
Once again... yeah ?
But you can't possibly if planned paint something blue and turned out as red right ?
If anything, that turn to be variation of blue (royal blue) unless you attempt to make your initial plan as sample.
But people that already looking forward to finalization of that sample/plan can be reasonably disappointed because that different from they heard/expect from that sample.
Btw yeah I'm always loud about unannounced alteration of initial concept, feel like your tailor change your ordered torso design without you know it. lol
Btw lets stop this OT before mod's scold us.
hope the best from this project, at least the actual works arts would still looked great regardless they use Kishida Meru's drawing as the base or not.
I'm rather underwhelmed by some of the comments that have been made of this show, especially with regards to the artwork. We have only seen so far the original character designs; we have no idea of what character designs they are going to use for the actual animated project. However, it has come to the general consensus of some "people" that "they" are not going to like the artwork, nor the character designs, because a former show "they" had watched have disappointed "them" in those regards---and it just so happens to have the same artist doing the original illustrations. Though, the issue seems to be on the fact that those original illustrations have been released before the ones that are going to be used in the actual animated project, therefore creating some form of confusion among said "people", only because "they" were expecting those original illustrations to be the ones being used---Or at least, with character designs that "closely matches" the original ones. The key point here is the fact that we haven't seen the said character designs, and yet there is the assumption that they are going to be relatively worse. Thus, why I think discussing this sort of expectations---to this extent---is rather pointless.
There seems to be the perception that having the original illustrations is bad for some "people" because it plays with "their expectations", however ignoring the fact that probably at this stage they are still working with the concept and have yet to finalize what the show is going to be like. And thus, having probably not enough material to generate interest among the potential viewers, except for the original illustrations which they've so gladly included in a trailer along with music and voice acting. And yet, "people" complain because they just had to release the "original illustrations", which for "them" is worse than nothing. Rather, it's only a form of publicity at this early stage of the project, which normally is not to be confused with anything more than a way to get a general idea of what the show is going to be about, not a determining factor of what is going to be like.
I swear I was one of half a dozen people who actually enjoyed SnW. =__=||| It seemed like everyone was so caught up with the moe-hate that they wrote it off without even giving it a chance.
Its can be like realistic people if the concept's want the animator draw it like so. you want to say the animator can't draw similar object looks like certain people work ?
... okay, uh, do you draw? Because you're making some crazy assumptions here. I mean, first off, animators are people. They're not human photocopiers.
People don't animate in a hyper-realistic style because it's NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. It's not about "doing justice" to an artist's work, it's about practicality, because drawing something that moves is exponentially more complex than drawing something that stands still.
Like I said, you seem to have the idea that the creators are conspiring to ruin the original concept. They're not. They're doing their best to follow the original designs while having to adjust that to the limitations of animation and various other requirements. The final model must be expressive, able to be drawn consistently thousands of times, fit the atmosphere and style of the rest of the show, etc. etc.
Besides, SnW was far from the biggest change from original art to anime design that I've seen. Ever seen Vofan's original illustrations for Bakemonogatari? Compare to Watanabe Akio's designs for the anime. Shinobu is especially noticeable. Yet I never heard anyone complaining about that. (to elaborate: Vofan (http://a.imageshack.us/img214/2365/kizu.jpg), Watanabe Akio (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/617629/))
... bringing it back to the topic at hand. There's no way for them to animate those designs from the PV exactly. Expect the final anime design to be more simplistic and probably more expressive (more exaggerated features). It's perfectly normal for there to be significant stylistic changes in the transition from original designs to animated form. If you just want to bash SnW and "moe-fication" I'm sure you can do so in another thread.
MeoTwister5
2010-08-03, 07:14
I swear I was one of half a dozen people who actually enjoyed SnW. =__=||| It seemed like everyone was so caught up with the moe-hate that they wrote it off without even giving it a chance.
You are not alone in this good sir/maam. I literally had to explain in detail why SnW isn't the typical moeblob people judge it to be and I'm sure the same thing will eventually apply here. Just because the adaptation doesn't look anything like the original doesn't make it the suck, and I'd like to point to Spice and Wolf as proof of this.
Tempester
2010-08-03, 18:33
I'm not going to worry too much about PA Works' ability to adapt Kishida Mel's character designs. They have proven to be adept at the "Type-Moon" style before. And they actually improved on Na-Ga's concept art for Angel Beats, for example Noda and Fujimaki look much, much better in the anime than in the concept art.
PA Works are excellent at animation and I have faith in them here. What I'm worried about is their pacing and storyboarding abilities, which haven't been very pretty in the past. (Canaan was too long while Angel Beats was very much too short.)
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The characters designs looks great I wonder how it will look in animated form...
I love Mel Kishida's art so much. The last pic in the PV is so adorable <3
Still waiting to see the anime's chara design. Please don't mess it up.
Itou Kanae is the best when she's voicing a cheerful girl. It's Amu all over again.
Mel Kishida. <3
Itou Kanae is the best when she's voicing a cheerful girl. It's Amu all over again.
I agree. She's got such a delightful voice.
LoweGear
2010-09-01, 09:01
Animations work is always about adapting.
Concept --> Actual works, that its. simple.
Its can be like realistic people if the concept's want the animator draw it like so. you want to say the animator can't draw similar object looks like certain people work ?
As someone who has worked on simple animation for a short while now (mostly in Macromedia Flash Player and Adobe Imageready) there's an understandable reason why concept art traditionally is not translated 100% into animation: the simple fact that it is animated.
Traditional 2D Cell animation in essence is a series of still shots that are superimposed on top of each other in rapid sequence to give the illusion of movement. There are two types of frames necessary to animate a scene: Key Frames, which are the main art stills for that scene, and the in-between transition Frames (aka "Tweens" ) which is the series of stills that portray the animation of the scene from one to state to another. In a 10 second animated sequence for example the keyframes would be say, a person standing, and then the person sitting. The tweens would then be the series of frames that show how the person transitions from standing to sitting position.
Now the important thing to remember is that even in a short animated sequence, you need a large number of frames to animate the scene smoothly and not appear choppy. You'll need at least 25 or so frames per second (minimum industry standard) to portray a scene with at least decent quality, and you'll need a much higher number of tweens if you want to make the animation as smooth as movie animation.
Even at 25 frames per second of animation, that means that for a single second of animation you'll need at least 25 individually drawn frames with small differences between them in order to animate the scene properly - frame 1 could be a hand, then frame two would be the hand moved a millimeter to the right, and frame three another millimeter, and so on... Unless you don't want your animation to look like a poorly made flash animation you'll need to draw each individual frame with the proper perspective, coloring, lighting and other variables that are affected by the slight movement of each frame.
Now imagine trying to draw Game-CG or still art quality drawings across 25 different frames. Considering that one game-CG drawing will set a person back about several hours of work just on the drawing and then coloring, imagine having to make 25 of them... and that's just from a single minute of animation.
Imagine having to maintain that quality over 25 minutes of animation. That's:
- 25 frames per second x 60 seconds in a minute = 1,500 frames per minute. With your average anime episode being 24 minutes long, that's 1,500 frames times 24 minutes.
Which adds up to 36,000 FRAMES!!!
36,000 frames if we're going 25 FPS - 36,000 frames of still images devoted solely to animating an entire episode. And making said 36,000 frames for animation isn't easy, let alone at the level of quality found in concept art or game-CG's.
Of course no TV anime ever reaches that number of frames in an episode, due to the prevalence of various animation shortcuts and optimization methods that exist to help reduce the number of frames - for example the famous "panning", where a still scene is simply moved from one end to the other, or only animating the lead elements while keeping the backgrounds intact which is a classic cost-cutting measure. Still, the immense amount of work that goes into an animation is staggering, and given the weekly or monthly deadlines for animation projects this means that you can't expect them to have decent quality animation without an equally decent number of paid staff and large finances.
You can either have an animation that's good quality but short and slow to produce, or a long animation released fast but with so-so quality. The only way you can get an animation that's fast, long, and with good quality animation is if you have a MASSIVE budget to actually pull it off - which few animation titles have managed to get, and is harder to get now with the world economy being what it is.
Hence there's a reason why the super-detailed concept art shown in the trailers will not be the exact art - because the difficulty of animating a sequence means they need to tone down on the art style to make it easier to animate, hence why the "animation art" shown for anime typically has lesser detail than concept or promotional art. And this doesn't take into account stuff like the fact that the character designer normally isn't responsible for animation and stuff, hence the characters in animation are typically drawn by another artist.
TL;DR - Yes, it's NOT THAT SIMPLE.
Bonta Kun
2010-09-01, 09:27
Oh wow that PV is altho not much to really does indeed get me all giddy about this series.
The music is lovely, got a great feel to it.
The character designs are great here, which is a big indicator for me that this series will do right by me.
I've said else where before that when a series has me choosing or loving something that isn't usually my to preference, it is def doing something right.
That being I'm not usually a fan of the drill hair style but wow the lass that has it is :love: but then that goes for all the characters here.
looking forward to this very much.
@Lowe
thx for the info :)
but hell... I'm never said a word about make animation works is simple matter.
More down to this line.
And this doesn't take into account stuff like the fact that the character designer normally isn't responsible for animation and stuff, hence the characters in animation are typically drawn by another artist.
N don't raise the dead stuff =p
MisaoFan
2010-09-02, 02:14
The story reminds me of Love Hina when a main character worked on hot springs hotels.
Eternal_Sin
2010-09-02, 11:07
P.A works = Must watch
Well Canaan and Angel beats have been mentioned but looking at Character design I'm expecting this to look a bit like True Tears (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpOvxMER1gs)
duckroll
2010-10-06, 03:08
Ugh. I hear this has the Canaan staff again. Masahiro Ando is directing, Mari Okada is writing, Kanami Sekiguchi is the animation character designer. What a waste of talent on moe garbage. Ando, direct another BONES show instead please? :(
Kunagisa
2010-10-06, 14:24
Ugh. I hear this has the Canaan staff again. Masahiro Ando is directing, Mari Okada is writing, Kanami Sekiguchi is the animation character designer. What a waste of talent on moe garbage. Ando, direct another BONES show instead please? :(
Aww, it sounds decent! Reminds me a bit of Aria~~ A soothing anime about a girl working at a hot spring meeting new things and people, who all are aspiring toward their own goals seems pretty relaxing to me; a bit like turning of age you know. Like many other mentioned, the art is pleasing for the eyes too~! I don't think moe is going to be the selling point (not saying moe won't attract a huge crowd of people, but at least I don't think that's what P.A. is going for).
Anyway, cast is here (http://yunakiti.blog79.fc2.com/blog-entry-6763.html) (only females characters at the moment >__<), last name first.
Hana-Saku Iroha
Original Work: P.A. WORKS
Director: Andou Masahiro
Character Draft: Kishida Mel
Character Design: Sekiguchi Kanami
Series Composition: Okada Mari
Animation Production: P.A. WORKS
Matsumae Ohana: Itou Kanae
Tsuruki Minko: Omigawa Chiaki
Oshimizui Nako: Toyosaki Aki
Wakura Yuina: Tomatsu Haruka
Wajima Tomoe: Noto Mamiko (not formally introduced in the PV)
This is totally an all star team for staff and VA. Hot spring ≠ auto fanservice imo. Totally reserving my judgment until I see it. This should have a lot of substance (/me has complete faith in P.A.). And since I totally adore the image song, I am going to link it here too >__<
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Ugh. I hear this has the Canaan staff again. Masahiro Ando is directing, Mari Okada is writing, Kanami Sekiguchi is the animation character designer. What a waste of talent on moe garbage. Ando, direct another BONES show instead please? :(
I wouldn't be so quick to refer to this show as "moe garbage". Like stuopidget, I'm sensing some Aria vibes from this, and with the staff involved this could end up being very very good. Sure, the characters look insanely cute (at least when drawn by Kishida...) but that doesn't mean the show will revolve around moe. Of course, if you also regard Aria as moe garbage, that's another matter...
Aaahaaa~ that's no good, I'm getting my hopes up too much.
FireChick
2010-10-06, 18:21
I'm sure everyone knew that Itou Kanae was going to do the voice of the lead girl.:D
Yay for Kanami Sekiguchi, at least that confirm the anime chara design not as bad as sora no oto.
FireChick
2010-10-06, 18:55
What? The animated character designs are shown? Where? I don't see them.
http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/
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@Dat trailer...
Thanks god... There's still justice in this world.
Kunagisa
2010-10-07, 00:45
@Dat trailer...
Thanks god... There's still justice in this world.
<3 your ... "enthusiasm" haha.
That is indeed a cute trailer with all the VAs speaking (hey there is Tomoe!). You can already tell which character will have which type of personality. I can already tell Nakochi will be one of my favorites no doubt =P.
Tempester
2010-10-07, 02:57
http://b.imagehost.org/t/0764/Untitled_18.jpg (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0764/Untitled_18)
Well, I am grateful that PA Works was able to nail Kishida Mel's art style. ;)
Phew, that's a relief. I LOVE the anime's chara design, they did justice to Kishida's artworks. Screw trying not to get my hopes up, I'll say it now: this show is going to be awesome. I loved every second of the PVs released so far, I feel warm and fuzzy just watching them. If the show can reproduce the same feel, it'll be a winner in my book.
MeoTwister5
2010-10-07, 03:09
Wow. Who gave PS Works a hell load of money to do that?:uhoh:
Also <3 Tomatsu Haruka, Toyosaki Aki and Itou Kanae.
Thank you P.A Works for giving justice to Kishida Mel's designs.
Wow. Who gave PS Works a hell load of money to do that?:uhoh:
Angel Beats was a very good seller...
MeoTwister5
2010-10-07, 04:30
So the mangling of Angel Beats was the sacrificial lamb so that we'd all finally get to see how Kishima's artwork would look like in motion?
That only ever sounds only so slightly partially depressing.:(
Angel Beats was a very good seller...
Naturally. Maeda's best script backed up with PA Works production = guaranteed success.
Thank you P.A Works for giving justice to Kishida Mel's designs.
This. I can't even begin to say how pleased i am.
Maeda's best script
Can't agree with that. :p
FireChick
2010-10-08, 14:56
I saw the trailer and it looks nice. Maybe I will watch this when it comes out...but I still hope it's not gonna be ecchi.:heh:
HitoriTomoyo
2010-10-13, 10:34
Naturally. Maeda's best script backed up with PA Works production = guaranteed success.
Angel Beats! was not Maeda's best script.
I saw the trailer and it looks nice. Maybe I will watch this when it comes out...but I still hope it's not gonna be ecchi.:heh:
PA works has never done anything ecchi before,and really,if it were ecchi the girls would have bigger boobs lol
PA works has never done anything ecchi before,and really,if it were ecchi the girls would have bigger boobs lol
or smaller(loli):in most echi anime/manga it's all or nothing(tiffa-Vs-louise in ZnT,astrea-Vs-nymph in SnO...).
Pocari_Sweat
2010-10-30, 06:08
Original work, P. A. Works, romance/drama, girly pop song as insert song.
Sounds like a shoujo version of True Tears to me.
On my plan to watch list, though I'm skeptical about shoujo romances...
Marisa Kirisame
2010-10-30, 15:46
Original work, P. A. Works, romance/drama, girly pop song as insert song.
Sounds like a shoujo version of True Tears to me.
On my plan to watch list, though I'm skeptical about shoujo romances...
If it was shoujo, it'd have a hell of a lot more pretty boys in the promotional materials...
winhlp32
2010-11-23, 02:11
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4304/120101123151414.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/120101123151414.jpg/)
Someone (http://p.twipple.jp/Bcq5L) involved in the project took a photo of animated footage. Maybe we can expect an animated PV soon.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8739/72377699.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/72377699.jpg/)
^Looking good. Very good.
I hope we'll get a trailer soon.
Tsuruki Minko: Omigawa Chiaki
Oh crap, no, please. :upset:
applejuice
2010-11-26, 08:57
I saw few page scans of manga, and it was much more dark and gloomy than I expected, which was even more striking than most of Maeda Jun style tragedy I might be a bit quick judging, but I think this will be fantastic.
I'm just loving the character design. It's like, 'IN YOUR FACE' to SoraNoWoto.
Kaoru Chujo
2010-11-26, 17:05
...Omigawa Chiaki...Oh crap, no, please. :upset:I think she is outstanding in recent episodes of Soredemo machi ga Mawatteiru. Hilarious and deep. I am totally over hating the sound of her voice.
...Omigawa Chiaki...I think she is outstanding in recent episodes of Soredemo machi ga Mawatteiru. Hilarious and deep. I am totally over hating the sound of her voice.
I watched SoreMachi, but still cringe almost every time her character speaks. Would have preferred other seiyuu any day.
FireChick
2010-11-27, 19:02
Okay, is this thread gonna turn into a "Bash Omigawa Chiaki" thread or something!? If you guys want to talk about seiyuus, don't do it in this topic! I mean, really? Don't you have any sense?:mad::frustrated:
Anyway...from the looks of it I'm actually gonna put this on my list! The character designs look cute! I wonder if this will either come out in the winter or the spring? Suspense!:D
applejuice
2010-11-30, 21:16
http://i51.tinypic.com/bgz8jm.jpg
Looks beautiful.
michellekg
2010-12-01, 03:05
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4304/120101123151414.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/120101123151414.jpg/)
This image in better quality (http://www.kino-govno.com/anime/hanasakuiroha/gallery/production/4).
The chara design is perfect. So glad they didn't mess up Mel's original designs.
FireChick
2010-12-01, 15:47
Does anyone know if the anime's gonna air in January or later? Or is it not confirmed yet?
Registered Member
2010-12-09, 23:46
New PV, I think.
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W-General
2010-12-09, 23:50
Wow. I'm really digging this show now after seeing PV4.
Before I was worried that it was gonna be one of those "slice-of-life" shows where the audience turns their brains off to be "healed"...you know, kinda like "Aria-at-an-onsen-resort" (not to diss Aria, which is a great show, but not my type...)
Looks like there's actually story and drama - and most important of all, conflict. And male characters. Wonderful. Next year looks like a strong year of anime
The year 2011: Ordet/A-1 vs. PA Works vs. KyoAni vs. Aniplex four way battle?
Wow, that looks pretty damn good. As expected of PA Works.
Still not sold 100% on the show, something about the character design puts me off.
Pocari_Sweat
2010-12-10, 00:10
After this new PV, I'm totally sold. Exactly the kind of anime that I have been looking for some time - a slice of life/drama with likely romance elements (that isn't shoujo, but instead more seinen). Haven't seen one of these since ef. Looks a lot like True Tears but less haremish and more "girlish" but that doesn't really concern me.
And as expected P.A. Works artwork for both background and characters are superb. Just all they need is to work on its plot/narrative a bit more since True Tears, despite being one of my favourites was not perfect on this department (but then again very few animes are).
applejuice
2010-12-10, 00:16
Eye-candy. This is what PA works animation should be. Really, really nice.
That actually looks really fun. I LOVE slice-of-life but not when it's That Moe Thing With Four Girls, so this is coming as sort of a surprise to me.
One more thing to watch next year.
ZODDGUTS
2010-12-10, 00:45
Nice back hand bitch slap. That surprised me. :heh:
I might watch this as long this anime stay away from being a boring slice of life. Yeah, like that houkago-related anime.
The PV looks promising by the way.
I might watch this as long this anime stay away from being a boring slice of life.
It's going to be slice-of-life. It's just going to be GOOD slice-of-life, which is extremely rare.
FireChick
2010-12-10, 05:47
After seeing the new PV, I am officially sold on this show now! But did it say whether it was gonna air in January or the spring?
MeoTwister5
2010-12-10, 05:59
Wow. Impressive scenery porn there.
This looks wonderful. It looks like it'll be much more than a simple slice-of-slice show. The bitch slap was awesome.
MisaoFan
2010-12-10, 06:48
After seeing the new PV, I am officially sold on this show now! But did it say whether it was gonna air in January or the spring?
Hana-Saku Iroha premieres in April.
MrTerrorist
2010-12-10, 10:12
Interesting. Be keeping a watch on this.
Bonta Kun
2010-12-10, 10:30
Wow, that looks pretty damn good. As expected of PA Works.
Still not sold 100% on the show, something about the character design puts me off.
For me I was actually sold on the characters designs before anything else, as I love them but after seeing that PV it's now a 100% sure thing I'll be watching this next year!
Archon_Wing
2010-12-10, 15:59
PA works; so I can expect the best in visuals definitely. They seem to make shows that draw me in and lose me later, but this looks like a good chance to hit home. Maybe.
Looks gorgeous and liking the nano.RIPE track... what character is tomatsu voicing btw? The 4th girl mentioned in the CV order?
Leo Keichi
2010-12-11, 22:36
This is looking good, loved the PV. It's going to be a sure watch for me next year.
The year 2011: Ordet/A-1 vs. PA Works vs. KyoAni vs. Aniplex four way battle?
I know odds are nobody cares but that's a weird 4 way battle since you've got 3 studios and a production company!Aniplex has worked with lots of different studios including PA works (Angel Beats) and in fact A1 and aniplex are both part of Sony so they're hardly rivals.
Anyway awsome trailer,wish they'd shown male and adult cast members earlier.
applejuice
2010-12-11, 23:23
^
Number of staffs: (http://animapple.blogspot.com/2010/12/company-number-of-staffs-that-each.html)
Kyoto Animation = 159
Ordet = 10
A-1 Pictures = 38
P.A.Works = 40
Impossible battle...
Pocari_Sweat
2010-12-11, 23:44
^
Number of staffs: (http://animapple.blogspot.com/2010/12/company-number-of-staffs-that-each.html)
Kyoto Animation = 159
Ordet = 10
A-1 Pictures = 38
P.A.Works = 40
Impossible battle...
Thanks for the interesting stats.
I lol'd at the SHAFT footnote.
P.A.WORKS has about 70 people already. (Source (http://www.chunichi.co.jp/hokuriku/article/economy/news/CK2010121002000162.html))
創業来、増収が続いており売上高は二〇一〇年九月期で六億円、従業員は七十人に増えた。
applejuice
2010-12-12, 03:36
^ Oh wow, that's a really rapid growth. So, Angel Beat did help them a lot. I remember when they are struggling due to the low sales of Canaan and True Tears, even with that high animation quality.
They are really taking a right path. What they really needed was head-hunting and training of newer employees, which is why Shaft developed this far.
Iron Maw
2010-12-17, 13:05
Hmm... I can't say I'm sold on this like others have, but it does look fair bit more interesting than appeared at first glance.
PA works; so I can expect the best in visuals definitely. They seem to make shows that draw me in and lose me later, but this looks like a good chance to hit home. Maybe.
Same with me, "remembers Canaan". :(
Like a lot of people I was dubious about this show after reading the scenario, but PV4 has completely won me over. Besides from the obvious (great character designs, gorgeous backgrounds and excellent choice of music), I've been trying to work out why it appeals to me so much: weird as it may sound, I think it's the characters' body language. Somehow they all come across as being very much alive with their own personalities, not just as passive objects whose purpose is to look cute for the audience. There's something about Ohana's poise in this scene (http://www.hikari.org.nz/stuff/random/hanairo_pv4_1.jpg) and (especially) this one (http://www.hikari.org.nz/stuff/random/hanairo_pv4_2.jpg) that makes me think I'm really going to warm to her.
what character is tomatsu voicing btw? The 4th girl mentioned in the CV order?
These are the characters and seiyuu in the order they appear in the PV:
Matsumae Ohana (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/ohana.html) (松前 緒花) - Itō Kanae (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=66684)
Tsurugi Minko (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/minko.html) (鶴来 民子) - Omigawa Chiaki (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=69287)
Oshimizu Nako (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/nako.html) (押水 菜子) - Toyosaki Aki (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=62870)
Wakura Yuina (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/yuina.html) (和倉 結名) - Tomatsu Haruka (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=63126)
Tanemura Kōichi (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/kouichi.html) (種村 孝一) - Kaji Yuuki (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=58051)
Wajima Tomoe (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/tomoe.html) (輪島 巴) - Noto Mamiko (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=3166)
Shijima Enishi (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/enishi.html) (四十万 縁) - Hamada Kenji (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=798)
Miyagishi Tōru (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/tooru.html) (宮岸 徹) - Majima Junji (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=21903)
Matsumae Satsuki (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/satsuki.html) (松前 皐月) - Honda Takako (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=8105)
Togashi Renji (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/renji.html) (富樫 蓮二) - Yamaguchi Tarō (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=5731)
Sukegawa Denroku (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/denroku.html) (助川 電六) - Chō (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=68750)
Kawajiri Takako (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/takako.html) (川尻 崇子) - Tsunematsu Ayumi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=18042)
Jirōmaru Tarō (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/taro.html) (次郎丸 太郎) - Suwabe Junichi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=48696)
Shijima "bitchslap" Sui (http://www.hanasakuiroha.jp/chara/sui.html) (四十万 スイ) - Kubota Tamie (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=3162)
applejuice
2010-12-29, 04:51
New pv from Comike;
bYZd7JEKA_I
All Major PVs released in C79 today - Here (http://animapple.blogspot.com/2010/12/preview-comiket-79-preview-releases.html)
I know applejuice will disagree,but I love the amount of male cast members in this :D it really is a nice surprise (as well as the precence of adults too) especialy after the early promotional material showed the girls only.
applejuice
2010-12-29, 17:41
^ Nah, I don't really like Yuri anyway.
u.u~~
(eh?)
lanslort
2011-02-07, 13:43
PV5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIoebc-wSmA&feature=player_embedded
*looks at staff discussion* For a sec there I though some error happened and I was teleblasted into a thread in general anime. Ahem— anyway, premise looks promising and currently slice of life shows are lacking, in more then just numbers, so looking forward to this. ¶ Well even though I say slice of life, this is probably going to be some romance of sorts with a lot of fan service. Well, that's close enough for my shabby standards. (and besides, with that level of animation who gives a damn :heh:)
Chaos2Frozen
2011-02-07, 18:12
Well even though I say slice of life, this is probably going to be some romance of sorts with a lot of fan service. Well, that's close enough for my shabby standards. (and besides, with that level of animation who gives a damn :heh:)
Lol where did you get 'romance' and 'fanservice' from the pv :heh: ? Okay fanservice maybe from the probable onsen scenes though I doubt it would anything close to excessive, it's just not the type...
But to me romance feels like it's going to be very thin and most likely won't have much (if any) of a presence...
But to me romance feels like it's going to be very thin and most likely won't have much (if any) of a presence...Isn't this original? :heh:
Lol where did you get 'romance' and 'fanservice' from the pv :heh: ? Okay fanservice maybe from the probable onsen scenes though I doubt it would anything close to excessive, it's just not the type...
But to me romance feels like it's going to be very thin and most likely won't have much (if any) of a presence...
I seem to recall reading that this was a romantic slice of life. So romance is going to be the main focus and definitely not 'thin'. It doesn't look like the type to have much fanservice: the PVs certainly don't give off that kind of tone.
I'm excited for this series. I love slice of life and the designs are beautiful. The music is really pretty as well, I've fallen in love with the songs used in the PVs. Can't wait for it.
Chaos2Frozen
2011-02-07, 19:45
Isn't this original? :heh:
I was referring to the impression I had gotten from watching the pv :heh: Yes there are guys unlike many other series of the same type, and yes there is that one valid canidate for a love interest, but I'm just saying I'm not holding my breath or anything :heh:
I seem to recall reading that this was a romantic slice of life. So romance is going to be the main focus and definitely not 'thin'.
Really? If so I would retrack my above statement and increase my anticipation by two folds :)
wow P.A. Works, it's a must
Also i really like the designs, and the PV's help
Pocari_Sweat
2011-02-07, 23:20
PV5: KIoebc-wSmA&feature=player_embedded
Eh, seems to be mostly reused footage from PV4 :heh:. I like the new nano.RIPE teaser song though.
It was confirmed today that the ED will be "Hazy", by Sphere. Hardly Sphere's first single, but the first time it's been used for an ED.
MisaoFan
2011-02-22, 03:36
Hardly Sphere's first single, but the first time it's been used for an ED.
This is not the Sphere's first single, there also released other singles for other animes between 2009-2010, all used as a opening theme.
applejuice
2011-02-22, 05:41
^ You obviously don't know what 'hardly' means, right?...
MisaoFan
2011-02-22, 06:31
^ You obviously don't know what 'hardly' means, right?...
Hardly means "à peine" in french. But Sphere also released other singles, no ?
Hardly Sphere's first single, but the first time it's been used for an ED.
This is not the Sphere's first single, there also released other singles for other animes between 2009-2010, all used as a opening theme.
^ You obviously don't know what 'hardly' means, right?...
Hardly means "à peine" in french. But Sphere also released other singles, no ?http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hardly
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hardly
The word is (unintentionally) used ironically too often; like is the case of Midonin's post. I think it is pretty obvious that post should read "Not really Sphere's first single […]", rather then, "Barely qualifying as Sphere's first single […]".
Also, I may be mistaken, but isn't the expression "à peine" more accurately translated to "barely."
applejuice
2011-02-26, 15:39
http://i.imgur.com/JFmLu.jpg
This is a good scan. (...)
FireChick
2011-02-27, 08:02
Thankfully there aren't any undie shots in that. If there are, I'm dropping the show no question. I'm still keeping my expectations at a medium.
MisaoFan
2011-02-27, 09:02
Thankfully there aren't any undie shots in that. If there are, I'm dropping the show no question. I'm still keeping my expectations at a medium.
Because you dislike ecchi shots ?
FireChick
2011-02-27, 12:33
Because you dislike ecchi shots ?
Oh yeah. Big time. Forgive me.:heh:
Because you dislike ecchi shots ?Because it would instantly cheapen the entire show, just like it does every single time.
serenade_beta
2011-02-27, 13:37
Because it would instantly cheapen the entire show, just like it does every single time.
Definitely this.
http://i.imgur.com/JFmLu.jpg
This is a good scan. (...)
Better quality ^^
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4278/522875.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4278/522875.jpg)
applejuice
2011-03-01, 18:44
Because it would instantly cheapen the entire show, just like it does every single time.
Exception is Bakemonogatari.
(liek tat 1st scene)
Ravenblitz
2011-03-06, 19:51
Newtype
http://i.imgur.com/ROfoIl.jpg (http://imgur.com/ROfoI)
http://i.imgur.com/apXcHl.jpg (http://imgur.com/apXcH)
http://i.imgur.com/aZiwKl.jpg (http://imgur.com/aZiwK)
http://i.imgur.com/utA52l.jpg (http://imgur.com/utA52)
http://i.imgur.com/pbQtOl.jpg (http://imgur.com/pbQtO)
Newtype
http://i.imgur.com/ROfoIl.jpg (http://imgur.com/ROfoI)
http://i.imgur.com/apXcHl.jpg (http://imgur.com/apXcH)
http://i.imgur.com/aZiwKl.jpg (http://imgur.com/aZiwK)
http://i.imgur.com/utA52l.jpg (http://imgur.com/utA52)
http://i.imgur.com/pbQtOl.jpg (http://imgur.com/pbQtO)
Why is the main character so...happy?:heh:
serenade_beta
2011-03-07, 01:43
Why is the main character so...happy?:heh:
You raise her high............... before you drop her down!
...Maybe.
According to applejuice's blog this is going to be 2 cour (26 episodes).
If so,that's a very pleasant surprise and rises my level of expectation even more.
MeoTwister5
2011-03-07, 02:51
Sometimes it might look like it's worth it just to watch how they'd animate her hair.:heh:
According to applejuice's blog this is going to be 2 cour (26 episodes).
If so,that's a very pleasant surprise and rises my level of expectation even more.
This is good news alright. We know there's a large cast of characters, so now we have room for them to develop. Extrapolating wildly from the synopsis, maybe this will be one of those "everybody has their story" sort of shows.
FireChick
2011-03-07, 06:16
Wow! Now THOSE are MUCH better scans than that other one! And 26 episodes? Let's see if this show can sweep me off my feet!:D
26 episodes? Brilliant news!
Those scans are really nice. The characters look incredibly cute.
Other scan:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8807/467067.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8807/467067.jpg)
applejuice
2011-03-08, 07:17
Swimsuit concept design;
http://i.imgur.com/qGaHe.jpg
moe死
definitely remind me to atelier series to certain extend
The swimsuits look sweet. Minko's is my favorite. It almost looks like a nightgown.
argh... just got pointed to this series. Looks charming.
Ravenblitz
2011-03-10, 09:41
love this scan..
http://i.imgur.com/oQHTYl.jpg (http://imgur.com/oQHTY)
FireChick
2011-03-10, 17:59
Oooh! That IS pretty, indeed!:D
Some of these illustrations (okay, all of them) are really cute but I'm especially fond of the artist of the picture that Ravenblitz posted. Anyone know the artist?
Guardian Enzo
2011-03-10, 22:06
MeoTwister and Simon, your two avatars stacked one on top of the other are a very interesting effect...
Ravenblitz
2011-03-10, 22:32
Some of these illustrations (okay, all of them) are really cute but I'm especially fond of the artist of the picture that Ravenblitz posted. Anyone know the artist?
its Kishida Mel as stated in the scan :)
OceanBlue
2011-03-16, 00:46
For some reason, this anime is giving me some Honey and Clover vibes, maybe due to the unsaturated colors combined with the trailer's vocals. Regardless, with this being a 2-cour series, I have a lot of hope. Kinda hoping it will be able to balance out the serious moments and the light ones.
Also, I love Kishida Mel. Rorona and Totori have such nice character portraits.
mangatron
2011-03-16, 00:47
I saw the preview, and... I saw a ponytail.
Uh... thread subscribed? :heh:
MisaoFan
2011-03-16, 02:10
Now, off-topic. If a anime has 12-13 episodes, there's less anticipation than 2-cour anime ?
Chikaru sama
2011-03-16, 03:39
it Kishida Mel artbooks can't really ignore that it so nice n smooth n great can't wait for the anime to be air
OceanBlue
2011-03-16, 06:50
Now, off-topic. If a anime has 12-13 episodes, there's less anticipation than 2-cour anime ?
Angel Beats says otherwise. In my opinion, it really just depends.
Is it slice of life or romance/drama or both? Based on the trailers I really do have a feeling that either this or Anohana will be the Toradora/H&C of the season.
Romance was the thing missing last year.
Is it slice of life or romance/drama or both? Based on the trailers I really do have a feeling that either this or Anohana will be the Toradora/H&C of the season.
Romance was the thing missing last year.
Although I can't confirm where I read it, I do recall seeing that this is going to be a romance/slice of life story (probably will have some drama too, since it usually goes hand in hand with romance). Don't quote me on it, though.
I'd be happy if it was one or the other or both, though.
Pocari_Sweat
2011-03-17, 19:49
Is it slice of life or romance/drama or both? Based on the trailers I really do have a feeling that either this or Anohana will be the Toradora/H&C of the season.
Romance was the thing missing last year.
Specifically seinen romance dramas as shoujo romance dramas/comedies are still fairly existent. Though it wasn't just last year this genre for the demography has been absent, but the last couple of years. Last decent seinen romance drama I've seen was ef tale of melodies back in 2008, unless you want to count White Album season 2. I wouldn't classify Clannad After Story as a seinen either, though that was very well done.
Man... really looking forward to this, great news to hear about it being 2 cours.
Now, off-topic. If a anime has 12-13 episodes, there's less anticipation than 2-cour anime ?
I think people like original concept productions getting 2 cours since they can build the characters up better. With LN adaptions it's not too bad since they tend to just adapt 2-3 novels in one cour anyway so they generally have decent stopping points.
I saw the fifth PV and it looks really good. I'm feeling some True Tears vibes here.
Freebies:
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1673/hanasaku5.png http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9571/hanasaku1.png http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/3293/hanasaku2.png http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5765/hanasaku3.png http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/738/hanasaku4.png
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4764/hanasaku8.png http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/57/hanasaku6.png http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7669/hanasaku7.png
germanturkey
2011-03-19, 16:15
PA Works. instant watch. if it's half as good as True Tears, it'll be wonderful. i don't think it'll have active triangles, though there will be shipping. i think it'll be more like True Tears where there's one set destination, but just detours along the way.
man, aside from this show and like Aria, its looking like a dry season..
man, aside from this show and like Aria, its looking like a dry season..
Watch STEINS;GATE, Denpa Onna, C and Moshidora.... also Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai could be another good slice of life romantic series like Hana-Saku.
Pellissier
2011-03-19, 16:51
i think it'll be more like True Tears where there's one set destination, but just detours along the way.
True Tears suffered for being 13 episodes because some major points in the plot had to be deducted (they were inferred but not explained at all). The characterization was good but not excellent, and not equal for all main characters. Now this series has 24-26 episodes and hopefully it won't repeat the same mistakes. Anyway, what worked the most in True Tears was the atmosphere which made you feel completely absorbed in it. If they just can recreate that feeling in this different scenario, while correcting the mentioned imprecisions, then it's probably going to be a win.
One of the differences is that there seem to be more characters here. As first approach (several girls, several guys) my mind somehow recalls Kimikiss, but let's see how this one will play.
Design and animations are excellent as expected. Itou Kanae in the main role is always nice, just as it is having Tomatsu Haruka in. Curious about Omigawa Chiaki voicing the tsundere, she has made progresses in the last year (especially in Seitokai Yakuindomo and Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru), but this seems kinda new even for her.
germanturkey
2011-03-19, 17:42
westlo, i don't know how i feel about steins;gate. chaos;head left a horrible impression on me. i'll probably give it a shot, but i have zero expectations going in. denpa caught my eye because of the cover art, but aside from the fact it's being done by shaft, there's not much else that makes me want to watch it. Ano hi looks good, but the execution needs to be right. i also don't think romance will play a central role in it.
Pellissier, i don't think being 24 eps would have helped TT that much. from the story they presented, 24 would have been too much. of course they could have developed other characters more, but lets face it: there were only 2 main girls, both of which were developed quite well. if they had spent time developing other characters, people would have complained about spending too much time on characters who didn't play an important role in the central story. but seeing as Iroha has multiple main girls, the extra time is welcome to develop them.
yeah, forgot about appleseed. will probably watch that too. haha.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7669/hanasaku7.png
Taking, thank you :) I'm really digging the main character's hair.
One of the differences is that there seem to be more characters here. As first approach (several girls, several guys) my mind somehow recalls Kimikiss, but let's see how this one will play.
The thing is there's only one teenage guy,the rest of the males are all adults.So you've got five teenage girls for one teenage guy in an anime that's not a harem.Not to mention that according to random curiosity's preview the lead girl has a boyfriend at the start of the show,maybe it's the guy we saw in the preview.
0utf0xZer0
2011-03-20, 13:02
The thing is there's only one teenage guy,the rest of the males are all adults.So you've got five teenage girls for one teenage guy in an anime that's not a harem.Not to mention that according to random curiosity's preview the lead girl has a boyfriend at the start of the show,maybe it's the guy we saw in the preview.
I can think of two. The first is the boyfriend in Tokyo that the Random Curiousity preview mentions, who I'm assuming is the guy in the playground at night scene in one trailer - yes, I think it's a guy. The second is the male co-worker, who the main character describes in one preview as "lacking delicacy", at last according to a friend's translation of one of the lines.
The second is the male co-worker.
Right,I had him down as much older than her (and he is at least a bit since he can drive) but looking again the age gap doesn't seem that big.
Another possibility is that the boyfriend stayed behind in tokyo and isn't seen on screen.
Still I find the idea of the heroine having a boyfriend at the start of the show quite refreshing.
0utf0xZer0
2011-03-20, 16:50
Another possibility is that the boyfriend stayed behind in tokyo and isn't seen on screen.
He's going to be on screen at least a bit since he shows up in a few scenes in the trailer. It's just hard to tell he's a guy:
http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=character&charid=25563
I didn't pick up on the fact he was a guy until I went back and looked at PV2, where he's a bit less feminine looking.
Speaking of the PVs... I can't help but notice that the GG and MSPN-Shin-GX translations of PV5 translate some lines quite differently... enough so that they gave me different impressions.
He's going to be on screen at least a bit since he shows up in a few scenes in the trailer
Well,I never doubted he was a guy,but how can we be 100% that's her boyfriend and not some other guy she meets in the village?
0utf0xZer0
2011-03-20, 18:10
Well,I never doubted he was a guy,but how can we be 100% that's her boyfriend and not some other guy she meets in the village?
You can't be 100% certain, but I got that impression from the (admittedly unsubbed) PV2 - and during the trailers, there's one bit of him and Ohana walking next to traffic in what is obviously an urban area. He's the only character in the trailer who wears a scarf like that.
serenade_beta
2011-03-20, 18:25
Man... really looking forward to this, great news to hear about it being 2 cours.
I think people like original concept productions getting 2 cours since they can build the characters up better. With LN adaptions it's not too bad since they tend to just adapt 2-3 novels in one cour anyway so they generally have decent stopping points.
As I have high hopes for this anime, being 2-cour isn't necessarily a bad thing, but since there are so many episodes, there is a fear that they will stuff-in "pointless" episodes in there if they run out of stuff to do. Also, the tempo of the story might slow down too much.
I couldn't imagine TT getting any better if it had 12-13 more episodes. 1 cour was perfect.
Madoka is 1 cour, for example, but it doesn't need another 12+ episodes. If they had another 12, I don't think they could build up the characters that much better. Maybe a bit more, but that great tempo would go do~~~wn. Maybe another 2 or something episodes, but that is a strange number of episodes that usually doesn't happen (Mitsudomoe 2: "Eh...?").
Therefore, even with 1 cour, an original anime can do just as good as with 2 cour!
Chaos2Frozen
2011-03-20, 20:03
Not to mention that according to random curiosity's preview the lead girl has a boyfriend at the start of the show,maybe it's the guy we saw in the preview.
Yeah I was very surprise when I read that preview, that was the first time I heard that she has a boyfriend, every other preview just said the same old thing over and over again. I mean, I was hoping she'll get one by the end of the series, unlikely but not impossible, but I wasn't expecting that.
I'm almost certain it's that boy, but what does his character profile say on the website? Wouldn't that be the easiest way to tell if he's the one?
germanturkey
2011-03-20, 21:04
well, knowing nothing about the show and not reading that preview, i think its safe to say that the boyfriend will show up there around ep 4 or 6. i'll reiterate that i don't think that this show will have active triangles in the sense we know it to be. but rather a set couple and their experiences and troubles they encounter. though being at least 24 eps gives a lot of room for development, so i expect the writers to put a lot of pit falls along the way.
now excuse me, while i go watch ep 10 and beyond of True Tears again...
Crunchyroll has picked this up
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-03-28/crunchyroll-confirms-hanasaku-iroha-simulcast
Which pretty much confirmed that Ao no Eorcist and Nichijou will be simulcasted too. How CR pulled this off I don't even.
Not very complex to figure out. They pay for the license, bam, streaming.
At a very basic level, yes, but the process isn't that simple. That aside, I'm just surprised they have been so successful that they have actually managed to accumulate the cash needed for simulcast rights of a Nichigo series and a Kyoani property, or at least the industry weight to toss around a deal or two. They wouldn't have been able to do this even a year ago.
applejuice
2011-03-29, 18:53
According to Okada Mari (series composition+Script) from Megami Interview articles;
-'Work' is one of the main theme.
-Ohana + friends are still high-schooler, so she wants to focus on creating mood of 'not being in the society yet'.
-She put ero scenes frequently.
-She put ero scenes frequently.
Interesting considering even the most "ero" scans we have are quite tame by today's standards
She put ero scenes frequently.
How should we interpret that? Does she mean service scenes, or is she referring to sexual encounters between characters (like what you might find in live action teen dramas)?
applejuice
2011-03-29, 19:55
She just said 'Although I put ero-scenes frequently, its direction will be something fresh that can blow away all the thoughts. (laugh)' I also not really sure of what did she mean by 'ero-scene' but I think she meant service scenes, but nothing explicit as panty shot or whatever.
ZODDGUTS
2011-03-29, 20:05
She just said 'Although I put ero-scenes frequently, its direction will be something fresh that can blow away all the thoughts. (laugh)' I also not really sure of what did she mean by 'ero-scene' but I think she meant service scenes, but nothing explicit as panty shot or whatever.
That would be lame. Would like to see some real relationship interaction, not that let's hold hands because were both "innocent and pure". :rolleyes:
applejuice
2011-03-29, 20:40
^ why lame?... How service scene relates anyway with 'real relationship interactions'? I don't care if it is not explicit fanservice like certain rioriogate or ceratin underwear appreciation club animu. Service scenes are inevitable when there are tons of female characters but less male.
Plus, it's not like it will affect the series in anyway.
but I think she meant service scenes, but nothing explicit as panty shot or whatever.
Fanservice with nothing explicit?That kind of sounds weird :heh:
edit: then again merry dreameater has "navel porn" so I guess I can understand.
That would be lame. Would like to see some real relationship interaction, not that let's hold hands because were both "innocent and pure"
I don't see why you got that impression from that quote,characters can still "really" interact,it just means we won't be seeing their panties.
ZODDGUTS
2011-03-29, 21:16
Not talking about panties/cleavage shots. I'm talking about sexual scenes, of course well never see them actually doing it but it can be implied, like in that one scene between Kira and Flay in Gundam Seed. Anyways that's what I thought when the script writer about putting "ero scenes" possibly for the couple's.
germanturkey
2011-03-29, 21:34
maybe it'll be erotically charged situations with little fanservice like Hatsukoi Limited.
maybe it'll be erotically charged situations with little fanservice like Hatsukoi Limited.
There's also the more "artistic"/seamlessly integrated approach to service that you might find in books and movies.
In True Tears, Okada tried to experiment with some of that (in fact, one particular scene involving Hiromi was highly reminiscent of something from a renowned Japanese novel), although the execution didn't seem to leave much of an impression on viewers.
kuroishinigami
2011-03-31, 06:04
Strange, I just found a manga for this series. Which one is supposed to be the original work? the anime or the manga?
Kunagisa
2011-03-31, 06:09
Strange, I just found a manga for this series. Which one is supposed to be the original work? the anime or the manga?
Anime. Manga's just a precursor (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3339744&postcount=54) (top line of the picture) based on the anime storyboard.
FireChick
2011-04-03, 07:21
The anime for this airs today!:D
The protagonist is meant to serve as a way for the audience to have a set of surrogate eyes, so that they may view the world through a frame they understand. The second problem is that people often end up hating the protagonist. But that is not completely what this is about. A gender divide can't stop the fact that Ohana is exactly the kind of person I can see myself in. Hard working, unwilling to give up, and a slightly over the top dreamer. Not the first dreamer role Kanae Ito will be playing this season, but the first to air.
The show itself is somewhat more dramatic than my usual fare, but if I didn't venture outside my comfort zone, I wouldn't be able to grow as a person. Again, like Ohana. I like that there's a strong ensemble cast, all with their own stories to tell. Fits well on Sunday mornings.
Kanae Ito, this is instant win.:love:
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 11:27
Ep 1 and further speculations:
I am thoroughly impressed with this first episode. Good pacing (maybe a little rushed at the start regarding Ohana's mother and de facto partner) and this series has done in 1 episode what many other series may have taken a whole season. Characters are great, voice actors are great, animation and background music are superb and the plot for a slice of life, is fantastic. Also largely fan-service free (except for one particular scene), "moe-blob" free and is neither over-melodramatic or over-comedic . In conclusion, this is very well crafted with very high production values. My expectations were already very high and it managed to even beat that. If the series continues on how I think it will pan out, this can surely end up on my favorites list.
I don't know what other anime I can compare this to, but I were to put genre labels on it, slice of life, teen drama, coming-of-age all comes to mind. Future romance elements are possible as well. I would say this looks like it could be an animated, Japanese equivalent of popular western TV teen dramas such as The OC, One Tree Hill, Dawsons Creek etc. If I were to further categorise it, it may turn out to be the teen equivalent of Honey and Clover (which was a coming of age story regarding university students). If I were to compare this to other P.A. Works' series, it feels different from True Tears (which was more romance focused while this seems to be a coming-of-age story) and definitely different from the slapstick-->"Key" melodrama approach that Angel Beats was (and much of Air, Kanon, Clannad was as well). Unless I've missed out somewhere, but this seems to be one of the first animes of its type - at least what it appears to be aiming for.
Also love the OP (Ending song for ep1 which I assume is going to be the OP from eps 2 and onwards). Really fits within the atmosphere of the show.
Matsumae Ohana is an optimistic sixteen year old girl who lives in Tokyo but is unsure about what to do in her future. One day when she comes home, she finds out that her mother and de facto father are in debt and that they need to leave Tokyo. Instead of taking their daughter with her, they decide to put her in the care of Ohana's grandmother (mother's side) who runs a Hot spring business on the other side of Japan. She tells her best friend (who is a male) about it, and the friend gets really upset and confesses to her that he always liked her and then proceeds to leave her. Ohana is flustered but still on the whole remains calm and herself. Upon reaching the hot spring, she is amazed at what she sees as it looks like something from a fairy tale for her. She is confronted by the other main characters (Oshimizu Nako, Tsurugi Minko, and Wakura Yuina) and the grandmother, who is somewhat disgusted at her, as she is the grandaughter of the daughter she claims to have disowned (mother). This was most likely because Ohana's mother eloped with Ohana's dad. The grandmother forces Ohana to work for her in return of accomodation and her high school education. She is immediately attracted to Minko who is a quite, somewhat cold but diligent worker who seems to be working for the inn due to some domestic circumstances. The next day, Ohana wakes up in the morning to find Minko out of bed and working. Ohana decides to hang up Minko's futon and dry it in the sun, when it collapses to the floor below on top of some customers. The grandmother and her goes and apologies to the customers to the point where they are on the floor. The grandmother then summons Minko and slaps her for not putting making/drying the bed herself. Disgusted, Ohana firmly asks the grandmother to blame her and not Minko and also bodly asks the grandmother to punish her instead. The grandmother then proceeds to slap her multiple times till she starts bleeding. Ohana and Minko have a conversation where Minko shows contempt at Ohana's optimism and retorts by saying "Do you know what the concept of work is" and then proceeds to tell her to go die. Ohana whilst performing her daily work, proceeds to break down in tears.
U<3Anime
2011-04-03, 11:36
So......is "480p" all we can get for the subbed version of this show? *hopes not*:uhoh:
This was a pleasant surprise for me. I honestly had no idea what to expect. Felt a little rushed in the beginning, but i don't think that part was important. I think her mom is not the best parent but i totally like her regardless. Kind of felt sorry for Ko but i guess he's a lost cause now.
So Minchi really cracks me every time she tells Ohana to die. The inn really isn't what she was expecting or the people for that matter. I definitely dislike the grandmother. The woman is way past senile and what's up with treating your granddaughter in a that way. It's not her fault that her mother and her hate each other. I mean she totally did nothing to deserve this. I guess it's even a miracle that she let her work at the Inn. Ohana seems like a fighter so i'm glad she stayed and is going to try to persevere.
Really enjoyed this, hopefully P.A Works can keep the production values up, the characters develop well and they make good use of the two cours it will be going for. Nice OP too...
Not talking about panties/cleavage shots. I'm talking about sexual scenes, of course well never see them actually doing it but it can be implied, like in that one scene between Kira and Flay in Gundam Seed. Anyways that's what I thought when the script writer about putting "ero scenes" possibly for the couple's.
I hope that what's she's talking about. Then again, Otakus may rag on about purity issues again. I am all for a more developed romantic relationships in my opinion.
OceanBlue
2011-04-03, 12:18
I'm enjoying all of the characters so far. All of them seem really interesting, and like acejem said, everything was shown at a very nice pace [I personally think they spent enough time on the parent thing, since that's not the point of the show]. The setting is perfect as well for this type of show.
I'm especially enjoying the main character's personality, considering she's very down-to-earth and relatable. Plus, she's adorable.
So far, I feel like this will be my favorite. I was right to be excited about this, and hopefully PA Works can keep up the pacing [considering I grew tired of Canaan, which started well, and the pacing for Angel Beats wasn't the best].
Edit: Also, usually I wouldn't like characters like Minko, but they do a good job of making Ohana seem inconsiderate enough to seem a little spoiled and childish, yet not enough so that it becomes annoying. I can't blame Minko, but at the same time I can't hate Ohana.
Wow, it really clicked from the start. Nice art, interesting setting and characters, plus lots of VAs that I like.
Really enjoyed this, hopefully P.A Works can keep the production values up, the characters develop well and they make good use of the two cours it will be going for. Nice OP too...
:D:D:D
ZODDGUTS
2011-04-03, 12:56
I hope that what's she's talking about. Then again, Otakus may rag on about purity issues again. I am all for a more developed romantic relationships in my opinion.
Just to clear up any misunderstanding reason I posted that response to that interview is because when it was mention ero scenes it means sexual scenes, at least that what ero means in the hentai field. While ecchi means just fanservice stuff. Guess that part of the interview/word wasn't translated correctly, the writer actually said ecchi instead of ero scenes.
What a pleasant surprise! I really liked the art and the setting was great.
What I dont understand however is, what kind of mother sends her only child off to work for her own unpleasant mother, whom she had clearly broken with? Seems kinds weird to me.
And secondly, I can understand if the grandmother is supposed to be some sort of haughty old matron and all that, but are you really allowed to strike people like that in Japan without any repercussions?
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 13:24
What a pleasant surprise! I really liked the art and the setting was great.
What I dont understand however is, what kind of mother sends her only child off to work for her own unpleasant mother, whom she had clearly broken with? Seems kinds weird to me.
And secondly, I can understand if the grandmother is supposed to be some sort of haughty old matron and all that, but are you really allowed to strike people like that in Japan without any repercussions?
In Asian culture, generally yes. Although it may be prohibited by law in a lot of countries, culturally and realistically grandparents and parents are allowed to discipline their children/relatives. I've been subject to it myself, though in the grandmother's case, it is for an ulterior purpose. Usually when children are disciplined it is for a reason and generally for the good development of them.
Kaoru Chujo
2011-04-03, 13:39
Excellent start to the show I made my top pick (http://hashihime.blogspot.com/2011/03/full-previews-of-47-spring-shows-staff.html) of the coming season. I am not usually a huge Itou Kanae fan, but she was absolutely outstanding here, creating a character with potential depth. And maybe Okada Mari is better at doing original stories than adapting other people's. This appears to be the real thing, depending on where they take it from here. Lots of strong characters and a wonderful stage.
As for slapping children, I am not against it in all cases, but East or West, it is usually more about the adult's anger (which comes from fear) than the child's good. It is apparently a fact that most people in prisons in North America were physically abused as children.
FireChick
2011-04-03, 13:42
I just watched the first episode of this and...WOW!
This was even better than I expected! I really loved how they portrayed Ohana's transition from a city girl to a girl working at an inn. They really showed how big these sudden changes are. But I know for a fact that I'm going to hate Ohana's grandmother (and maybe her mother a bit too). Plus I already dislike Minko. I mean, who in their right mind comes across a stranger who picks her plants by accident, slaps them, and tells her to die right off the bat!? And throughout the rest of the episode!? And she doesn't even thank Ohana for standing up for her and taking all the blame!? That's just plain bratty and rude!:mad::frustrated: I certainly don't act like that! And I wish Nako stood up for her a little bit (well, I know she did but I don't feel it was enough). And who in their right mind also makes a big scene out of a falling futon!? That's just going overboard. But even so, Ohana and Minko did NOTHING to deserve that harsh punishment, even if it was accidental! I think I'm going to like Ohana. But even so, I really like this show so far. I see great things coming from it!
OceanBlue
2011-04-03, 13:50
I just watched the first episode of this and...WOW!
This was even better than I expected! I really loved how they portrayed Ohana's transition from a city girl to a girl working at an inn. They really showed how big these sudden changes are. But I know for a fact that I'm going to hate Ohana's grandmother (and maybe her mother a bit too). Plus I already dislike Minko. I mean, who in their right mind comes across a stranger who picks her plants by accident, slaps them, and tells her to die right off the bat!? And throughout the rest of the episode!? And she doesn't even thank Ohana for standing up for her and taking all the blame!? That's just plain bratty and rude!:mad::frustrated: I certainly don't act like that! And I wish Nako stood up for her a little bit (well, I know she did but I don't feel it was enough). And who in their right mind also makes a big scene out of a falling futon!? That's just going overboard. But even so, Ohana and Minko did NOTHING to deserve that harsh punishment, even if it was accidental! I think I'm going to like Ohana. But even so, I really like this show so far. I see great things coming from it!
They're a business. Think about what would happen if this happened at a hotel. Plus, as lovable as Ohana is, she acts spoiled when she interacts with Minko. From Minko's point of view, she's messing in things that she shouldn't be messing with [the plants], she's butting in other people's business [the chef], and she's causing her trouble and then trying to appease her by demonizing the grandmother who she has only met for a day.
DragoonKain3
2011-04-03, 13:50
Wow, it's like watching a J-drama in animated form, from the plot, to the pacing, to the characters. Just too bad that it's only 25 mins compared to 45 mins j-drama episodes (or 1 hour pilot ones lol); man I'm seriously hanging here.
Definitely a good impression from me. Really looking forward to the nest episode.
And ganbatte Ko-chan! She's still waiting for your message lol. XD
Oddly enough though, I'm not so much into Ko/Ohana ship than I am with Minchi/Tohru one (at least for now). God, those two look good together... :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2011-04-03, 13:51
Ahh this brings back memories to my first day in working life... Hell, not even full time but a part-time waiter... Even the simplest of smallest of innocent mistakes can be a big deal, it's a very different life from school, almost makes me miss the classroom. Plus you don't really have anyone looking out for you if you're unlucky.
After that I swore never to work in service ever >.>
But enough of that, all the good points people have already mention so I would just like to say that I hope Ko would make the occasional appearance or referrence, I'm interested to see how the relationship would develop if it does.
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 13:57
Wow, it's like watching a J-drama in animated form, from the plot, to the pacing, to the characters. Just too bad that it's only 25 mins compared to 45 mins j-drama episodes (or 1 hour pilot ones lol); man I'm seriously hanging here.
I don't watch J-dramas (the few ones I have they were comedies like Nodame Cantabile... which I thought was silly in a good way), but the story seems like a high-end quality Korean drama aimed at teenagers or a western teen drama.
If the quality keeps up, I wouldn't be surprised if they make a live action version out of it for a Japanese mainstream audience though.
Though the pessimistic side of me says the popularity of this show will probably reach something of True Tears level only, or at best Toradora's level (the script writer for Hanasaku Iroha is the same as Toradora I believe).
Blue-kun
2011-04-03, 13:58
They're a business. Think about what would happen if this happened at a hotel. Plus, as lovable as Ohana is, she acts spoiled when she interacts with Minko. From Minko's point of view, she's messing in things that she shouldn't be messing with [the plants], she's butting in other people's business [the chef], and she's causing her trouble and then trying to appease her by demonizing the grandmother who she has only met for a day.
She might be, but any sane person wouldn't really act the way she did simply because they were messing with the plants. Or well, I personally wouldn't. And against the chef it was just the way Ohana found to compensate Minko for irritating her with the plant issue. I didn't really like Minko from the first episode, because I didn't quite see any sort of reason for her to act the way she did towards Ohana, when all she was trying to do was help. In particular after she got the infamous three-slap-combo, you'd expect her to at least be a bit more understanding of what Ohana is going through...
Ayways, for the episode itself, really strong start. Well written, interesting characters and setting too. It's slated for 2 cour, according to Moonphase, so we'll have to see how it plays out, but there's a lot to explore when dealing with the life of a bunch of girls in a big hotel. Be it with the internal interactions and also towards the clients. The animation was also very nice, with some really pretty backgrounds. I loved the lighting in some scenes, as well, like the one in the park where she's talking to Kou that she'll be leaving.
Ohana for now is the start of the show. I like characters who are determined, and even when confronted with this sucky situtation she's still tryin to push forward. The very last scene of the episode was handled great -- the way she's holding the cloth and tears start falling down, while the OP intro is playing. Great stuff.
All in all, probably my first must watch for the season.
Oddly enough though, I'm not so much into Ko/Ohana ship than I am with Minchi/Tohru one (at least for now). God, those two look good together... :heh:
Ah, yes. Will he teach her more than just how to peel vegetables? :D
FireChick
2011-04-03, 14:14
They're a business. Think about what would happen if this happened at a hotel. Plus, as lovable as Ohana is, she acts spoiled when she interacts with Minko. From Minko's point of view, she's messing in things that she shouldn't be messing with [the plants], she's butting in other people's business [the chef], and she's causing her trouble and then trying to appease her by demonizing the grandmother who she has only met for a day.
I guess you have a point, but I still think the reactions were a bit over-the-top. And I agree with blue-kun's statement too. But thanks for the clarification anyway. I don't really know how all this stuff works. Hehe.:heh:
Kaoru Chujo
2011-04-03, 14:16
@acejem -- Okada Mari wrote both true tears and Toradora, as well as this show.
@DragoonKain3 -- Yes, very like a TV dorama. And that's a good thing.
@serenade_beta -- I agree about that insert song. Really awful singing, for my taste.
The falling futon would definitely be a big deal at an inn. The grandmother was perfectly justified in giving that big apology. Ohana will cause a lot of trouble before she gets the hang of the place. Fun, lol. I kept looking at the tracks of her polishing and thinking she was missing bits.... I liked the way she stood up for punishment at the end. A big moment in her development.
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 14:16
Despite the intended negative reaction, it is obvious that Minko is going to open up and since this is 2 season length anime, I'm fairly certain they will go through her backstory which will explain why she is the way she is.
Will have to see who my favourite character will be as the episodes go on, but I have a feeling it's going to be Minko.
serenade_beta
2011-04-03, 14:17
In general, I guess it turned out to be around what I expected... in the atmosphere department, anyways. It feels like there is plenty of potential for character development and all of that stuff. As a first episode, it was good, anyways, but with 2-cour and the first episode not giving me enough hope, I am still slightly worried about how this will turn out.
Well, this is still my "Most anticipated anime of this season" though.
I guess one thing I didn't like were the characters, in general, so far. Mainly the protagonist, who came off with a personality that made me imagine someone punching her in her stomach. And I guess there were characters that felt so... off(?) or maybe too anime-like(?) that kind of disappointed me, especially those parents. If they did the whole "I'm scum and I'm abandoning my child" more seriously and slowly, it would have been pretty great, but they were just "Kya~ I'm abandoning my child!~" and there wasn't really any time to feel anything at all about it. Kind of just to set the plot, like Hayate's parents.
Also, another complaint are the songs so far. Both the insert and the ED had headache-inducing-ly bad vocals...
But well, so far, it isn't impossible to understand like half of the anime that have aired so far and it wasn't deadly average like the other half.
PS: Uihara and Saten-san~
PPS: Min-cchi sounds like ミンチ (Grounded beef)...
W-General
2011-04-03, 14:21
This is fantastic
No "cute girls doing cute things at an onsen"
No "moeblob and nothing happens"
No "panties and boobies flashing harem"
Anime-infused lunchtime soap opera?
Sign me up!
I just came to the realization that my viewing age has become that of a middle-age housewife...
Real life is tough. Work is tough. Coming of age.
Plus the gorgeous production value that PA Works is known for.
This is exactly what I am looking for and what I expected.
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 14:24
Anime-infused lunchtime soap opera?
Sign me up!
I just came to the realization that my viewing age has become that of a middle-age housewife...
I lol'd, then I realised that it's pretty much the same for me. My favourite shows are of the josei or at least of the seinen demography (5cm/s, Honey and Clover for example) and my most anticipated show in the following season after this is Usagi Drop (popular josei manga). Hanasaku Iroha should have been a notimanA anime.
Wow! Everything from the animation to the direction to the sound felt more like a movie than a TV anime. I was really looking forward to this so color me suitably impressed. ^^
Though as a huge Itou Kanae fanboy I suppose I'm a bit biased. XD
Fantastic first episode. I had high expectations for this show, and I'm overjoyed this first episode met them. Great atmosphere, excellent production value, outstanding voice acting (Itou Kanae is shining here), and beautiful soundtrack. I couldn't ask for more. I loved every single second of it. I hope they'll manage to keep that up!
Ohana's personality turned out to be very different from what I had in mind. I thought she'd be a little shy, but she isn't at all. Quite the contrary, in fact. She's very optimistic, cheerful and adventurous young girl. Pretty sure she's going to remain my favorite girl of the cast.
I can't decide whether Ohana's mother is awesome or simply terrible lol. I can't believe she ran away like that. Moreover, I can't believe Ohana reacted so well to the news. Like mother, like daughter, I suppose.
The grandma came across as a major bitch, but I bet she isn't as bad as she appears. Still, slapping Minko like that was harsh. She hadn't done anything wrong. Neither had Ohana for that matter. She had intention, and while it's she inconvenienced the customers, she apologized and in the end and no harm was done.
Not much to say about Minko or the other girl. I'm waiting for them to get more screentime.
Can't wait to see episode 2!
Klashikari
2011-04-03, 14:55
So far, the best pilot episode of this season for me:
Already mentioned by many, but this episode certainly has a very good direction and definitely introduced the characters properly so far.
It is also nice to have a OVA-level of budget, similar to Canaan (it would arguably not be the same impression if it was the same level of Angel Beats).
The drama is not exaggerated and it is a breath of fresh air compared to what we have got so far.
I must admit that it is a bit a pity that there isn't any other likable characters aside of Ohana, but I guess I should give more time for characters like Minko.
But damn, I hope we won't have that insert song again in the future...
Triple_R
2011-04-03, 15:14
This is the first Spring 2011 anime that I've watched, so I'm not in a position to compare it to anything else yet.
The animation/art work is excellent, as is to be expected of P.A. Works.
Ohana is a pretty good character. I like her well enough.
The supporting cast has some interesting characters.
However, I'm afraid that my take on this episode differs considerably from the general consensus of this thread after those three points.
Maybe watching Madoka Magica has made me particularly tire of this, but I'm not really in a mood to watch another likable female lead be made to suffer.
And like Klashikari, I don't find any of the other characters likable so far, and that is a significant disappointment for me.
Hopefully that will change, but let's just say that this anime hasn't won me over yet.
Master Anime
2011-04-03, 16:35
Nice 1st episode And it's truly give me feeling of fresh air seeing this
Best episode 1 of this season so far
ohana is nice girl but is not my type, i want see other girls story soon
Wow! Everything from the animation to the direction to the sound felt more like a movie than a TV anime. I was really looking forward to this so color me suitably impressed. ^^
Though as a huge Itou Kanae fanboy I suppose I'm a bit biased. XD
I was biased against it and
I feel the same way. When I first say the images and description I thought; "Stupid, banal, moeblob otaku fantasy: next please". Now I am wondering what other series I have passed over for the same reason.
Reckoner
2011-04-03, 16:50
Third show I've watched this season. While I still anticipate Steins;Gate to be my favorite of the season, this will probably be neck and neck with it in the battle for my favorite of the season.
The direction is fantastic. It may very well be a new standard for these sorts of slice-of-life/coming-of-age type stories.
Ohana managed to spark the audience from the getgo, as the main character she seems to be very relateable to anyone. She's dissatisfied with her city life and when further complications from her mother arise, she is given a chance for a new life which she hopes will be a good one. Unfortunately life doesn't seem to have shined brightly on her. The transition went rough, and the people she has met are less than friendly to her.
The character interactions are not oerly-reactive or expressive, there's no useless fanservice, the visuals are great, and there's interesting challenges with a wide cast.
All I can say is I should fasten my seatbelt, since I am going to enjoy this ride :).
I give this episode a 9/10.
This show is awesome and I can't stress that in a better way. Not sure how well it'll click with NEETs though because of its theme; it's certainly a double-edged blade in that regard. Other than that, has anyone figured out where Kissuisui or Yunosagi are located? The kanji on the train station's platters weren't of any help, but I'm guessing it's located somewhere in Ishikawa as that's what promotion for this series was saying before it aired. Perhaps Toyama?
EDIT: Ohana definitely reminds me of my younger sister, at least from the way she acted before the bitchslap fest.
I am not usually a huge Itou Kanae fan, but she was absolutely outstanding here, creating a character with potential depth.
Completely agree,not one of her fans but I have to give credit where credit is due and she's doing a great job here,those monologues really put the pressure on the VA and she delivered.
And maybe Okada Mari is better at doing original stories than adapting other people's.
To me it seems Okada Mari is just better at "down to earth" type shows,where there's no fantasy,action etc,even if its not that popular I consider "sketchbook full color's" to be a brillant 4 koma adaptation and I like Toradora quite a bit too (though unlike sketchbook I havn't read the original work so I can't compare) meanwhile Canaan is original and I had quite a few problems with it.
edit: Zakuro also comes to mind as another "down to earth" adaptation I liked ,it wasn't really an action show despite the action scenes here and there.
Maybe watching Madoka Magica has made me particularly tire of this, but I'm not really in a mood to watch another likable female lead be made to suffer.
The big difference with Madoka is that here I can guarantee you we'e going to get a heartwarming ending while Madoka is going to be bittersweet at best.
The first episode is promising. Seems more like an animated J-drama then an otaku bait show. As expected some truely gorgeous animation from P.A.Works. Hopefully this time they will be able to leave out their equally expected pacing issues that plagued Angel Beats, Canaan and True Tears. First episode at least got that part right. Characters look interesting and Ohana is adorable as a modern day Cinderella. Will keep watching this show.
Archon_Wing
2011-04-03, 17:24
Hah, Ohana's pretty awesome. I like her deadpan humor, but she's also full of life and willpower. Sounds like a wise character, probably needed to due to her epic fail of a mom. (Why are anime parents always so shitty?) And now she's stuck in this crappy job place; so how is she gonna adapt to this environment?
First episode is a very good introduction and gets an umm... 8/10
After watching the episode, I find it really hard to side against Ohana. No one really told her where to go to take care of her things and it honestly seems like most of the people are already prejudiced against her without even knowing anything about the girl. I can understand the Chef being mad that she butted in, but Ohana was right, you don't learn anything from being yelled at and scolded.
At the same time it is an inn and the customers always come first so I can understand how angry the grandmother would be over what Ohana did.
FireChick
2011-04-03, 18:08
After watching the episode, I find it really hard to side against Ohana. No one really told her where to go to take care of her things and it honestly seems like most of the people are already prejudiced against her without even knowing anything about the girl.
I think it's because the people at the inn aren't on good terms with Ohana's mother. But I do hope they learn that Ohana and her mother are different people. Ohana shouldn't be treated badly because of her mother's mistakes (which I hope we get to learn more about).
Kismet-chan
2011-04-03, 18:09
Have you ever encountered something extremely simple, but you know deep down that it's high quality and absolutely fantastic?
That's how I feel about Hanasaku Iroha (or Hanairo).
It's nice to see that Ohana isn't a shy, doormat type of girl. She seems to be level-headed, responsible, and is optimistic (but not overly so to the point that she becomes annoying or is heavily disillusioned -- she has what I would call "true realistic optimism"). Probably one of few characters I've seen in an anime series in a LONG while that has such a real-life average attitude about things.
My first impression of Minko was that she is the stereotypical "tough on the outside, soft on the outside" type. But that quickly changed after her last two appearances. She may have a deeper issue of some sort that makes her act that way. She pisses me off... in a good way. I can see a LOT of character development coming her way. Nako doesn't interest me as much, but I like how she's like Ohana in the sense that she isn't that typical "easy to walk all over them" shy girl, either (albeit being soft-spoken).
Grandmother is kind of awesome in an angering way. I like her. I wonder if she's hoping that Ohana will bring into her life what her own daughter couldn't?
I know it's just the first episode, but I went in not expecting much and ended up getting impressed. I will definitely stick with this one. I can't wait to see Ohana win everyone over. If the plot can avoid being predictable or boring, then it'll be quite a treat.
Oh, and this show as a whole is giving me strong Spirited Away vibes. Not the plot, but there are a lot of lesser elements they share (bath house/inn setting, angry old boss woman, the whole "newcomer helps improve the employees' lives" and "young lead (possibly) eventually learning the importance of hard work" themes).
Great first ep! The show without a doubt has heart, it plays on your emotions without becoming melodramatic and while keeping a good pace. The dialogue is witty and charming, the setting is interesting, the cast is varied.. The protagonist is appealing! The story looks like it will turn into one of self-discovery, maybe combined with overcoming adversity, which is among my favorite plots if done well and with subtlety, which this show displays every intention of achieving.
Only thing I'm worried about is caricatures/stereotypes among the cast, but even if the characters are developed only to the depth that Ohana was in ep 1, this will be an amazing show.. And I didn't even mention the animation.. One to watch, for sure.
germanturkey
2011-04-03, 18:40
Best show of the season. we have our set couple, Ohana and Ko, and several other characters who have 26 eps to be developed. I'm super excited. animation is what i expect it to be from PA Works, music was great, and the VAs were very fitting.
octoberasian
2011-04-03, 18:41
This is fantastic
No "cute girls doing cute things at an onsen"
No "moeblob and nothing happens"
No "panties and boobies flashing harem"
Anime-infused lunchtime soap opera?
Sign me up!
I just came to the realization that my viewing age has become that of a middle-age housewife...
Real life is tough. Work is tough. Coming of age.
Plus the gorgeous production value that PA Works is known for.
This is exactly what I am looking for and what I expected.
I'm with you on that one.
Nothing flashy, nothing like the norm that I've seen in the last two to three seasons of animes lately.
This is different. The production value from PA Works is incredible and it shows in every single frame of the first episode.
I cannot wait for the second episode now and hopefully the single from nano.RIPE comes out soon.
Wow! Everything from the animation to the direction to the sound felt more like a movie than a TV anime. I was really looking forward to this so color me suitably impressed. ^^
Though as a huge Itou Kanae fanboy I suppose I'm a bit biased. XD
Yup, I felt the same way. This is one of those rare animes that felt more like a movie than a thirty minute show.
I thoroughly enjoyed the first episode.
I'm feel a bit exhausted just after watching this, the animation level might capable to cure cancer.
Well this is the first show I watched in the spring season and i really like it so far. I watched it without not knowing anything about it but i feel this will end up being one of my favorite shows of this season the others being hidan no aria and kami nomi zo shiru sekai season II.
I hope ko-chan appears more in the show. I don't want him to confess and not be seen again in the plot.
To me it seems Okada Mari is just better at "down to earth" type shows,where there's no fantasy,action etc,even if its not that popular I consider "sketchbook full color's" to be a brillant 4 koma adaptation and I like Toradora quite a bit too (though unlike sketchbook I havn't read the original work so I can't compare) meanwhile Canaan is original and I had quite a few problems with it.
edit: Zakuro also comes to mind as another "down to earth" adaptation I liked ,it wasn't really an action show despite the action scenes here and there.
Okada's excellent at adapting pre-existing works, IMO. She's also great at writing original, dialogue-driven episodes (which is important for dramas, as you say) within series structured by either herself or other writers.
So far, I'm not overly fond of how she structures and develops original content though. That includes the original parts to Toradora (done from an outline for the last light novel), Zakuro, and Fractale (whole series developed from Azuma's plan), as well as True Tears (some stellar dialogue but lacklustre pacing and development) and CANAAN. Supposedly, the original episodes for Kuroshitsuji suffer from similar issues, although I've never watched that show.
Okada's a superstar writer at the moment - she's getting contracts from everywhere for both adaptations and flagship originals - but unless she pens a winner fairly soon, I have a feeling that the industry may lose confidence in her ability to deliver original content. The excitement over True Tears can only carry her for so long.
They're a business. Think about what would happen if this happened at a hotel. Plus, as lovable as Ohana is, she acts spoiled when she interacts with Minko. From Minko's point of view, she's messing in things that she shouldn't be messing with [the plants], she's butting in other people's business [the chef], and she's causing her trouble and then trying to appease her by demonizing the grandmother who she has only met for a day.
But... the plants weren't in the back of the facility but where patrons could see it. Therefore, they are 'weeds" If Minko had wanted to have a small garden, she should have brought the point up with management so that a small spot could be set aside in the back of the facility.
The chef should have known not to yell at his trainee like that and Minko should have been happy that someone stood up for her, let alone a stranger who you wanted to die.
Like it or not, Ohana or her uncle will prob inherit the place so it's still "her business". :heh:
germanturkey
2011-04-03, 19:15
my theory on Ko is: the whole series will be Ohana's character getting developed and attaining that level of maturity she needs to properly respond to him. it goes along with my "one destination, many detours" theory of the relationship development in this show.
serenade_beta
2011-04-03, 19:40
http://img812.imageshack.us/i/o0350049211136436611.jpg/
By Nanao Naru... Hmm? When did her artwork get worse like this...
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 19:47
http://img812.imageshack.us/i/o0350049211136436611.jpg/
By Nanao Naru... Hmm? When did her artwork get worse like this...
Heh I can definitely see the comparison the personality between Ohana and Noe, but yeh... that's pretty bad. It's of a fanpic quality. Are you sure its by Naru Nanao, the same person who drew the character designs for the main heroines in Da Capo and ef + Matsuri Shihou from sola?
Sageblink
2011-04-03, 19:53
Just like D-Gold, i didn't know anything about this anime before watching it.
And I just couldn't help myself but to watch episode 1 twice.
I usually don't like anime which deals with "ordinary" life (having a mother like that isn't really ordinary...) but this one... Man, THIS ONE ! All the characters are just too good. The chara-design, their introduction, the way they interact with each others...
And still, it was just the first episode.
I'm reaaaaally please and looking for the next one !
True Tears (some stellar dialogue but lacklustre pacing and development)
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one,I had no problem whatsoever with the pacing or developement of true tears.
The excitement over True Tears can only carry her for so long.
I'm asking myself "What excitement?"The show didn't really have great dvd sales and all the critical acclaim I've heard has been for the animation/direction rather than the script,maybe I've missed something.
But speaking of True Tears,I'm surprised the grandma here is getting so much hate across all the messages I've read on forums,I don't remember the mom in true tears getting so much hate over how she treated Hiromi.
OceanBlue
2011-04-03, 20:30
But... the plants weren't in the back of the facility but where patrons could see it. Therefore, they are 'weeds" If Minko had wanted to have a small garden, she should have brought the point up with management so that a small spot could be set aside in the back of the facility.
Oh, I was talking about the futon. In my opinion, Ohama doesn't really deserve blame for the plant thing, but I can see why someone would be mad.
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 20:47
But speaking of True Tears,I'm surprised the grandma here is getting so much hate across all the messages I've read on forums,I don't remember the mom in true tears getting so much hate over how she treated Hiromi.
In True Tears, I think all the hate got directed towards a certain shipping winning over a certain shipping if you know what I mean...
Troll + spoiler pic inc:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj7/acejem/noefagslose.jpg
OceanBlue
2011-04-03, 20:51
But speaking of True Tears,I'm surprised the grandma here is getting so much hate across all the messages I've read on forums,I don't remember the mom in true tears getting so much hate over how she treated Hiromi.
I remember differently. In this case though, the grandmother is probably a more prominent character and related to the main character's maturing, so she'll receive more attention as the series goes on.
Still, this is just according to memory.
serenade_beta
2011-04-03, 20:52
Heh I can definitely see the comparison the personality between Ohana and Noe, but yeh... that's pretty bad. It's of a fanpic quality. Are you sure its by Naru Nanao, the same person who drew the character designs for the main heroines in Da Capo and ef + Matsuri Shihou from sola?
Yeah, it seems to be by her.
I'm asking myself "What excitement?"The show didn't really have great dvd sales and all the critical acclaim I've heard has been for the animation/direction rather than the script,maybe I've missed something.
But speaking of True Tears,I'm surprised the grandma here is getting so much hate across all the messages I've read on forums,I don't remember the mom in true tears getting so much hate over how she treated Hiromi.
DVD sales =/= Quality of the anime
There are anime with interesting stories and all of the good stuff selling less than low-quality fanservice anime.
Because the Mom was younger? :heh:
And she wasn't as violent (I think).
I remember true tears. It was one of those shows where I wanted both girls to have a happy end with their male interest. I usually pick one girl and support her all the way.
DVD sales =/= Quality of the anime
But to me "excitment" =/= Quality of the anime either,I love true tears,I've watched it 3 times but it seems to me there wasn't that much excitment around it.
Because the Mom was younger? :heh:
And she wasn't as violent (I think).
I'll take a slap over lying to a girl about possibly being related to her son so that she doesn't go out with him.
germanturkey
2011-04-03, 21:09
in True Tears there was obviously one winner. Shin and Hiromi's story ran parallel with Shin's dad and mom. While my hatred for Noe has cooled off over the years, watching the show again (its one of my favorites), its obvious that she's an obstacle in Shin and Hiromi's development. I'm actually more upset that Aiko was written out of the race so fast.
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 21:13
Above poster might want to put that in a spoiler.
Regarding excitement/popularity of True Tears, if I remember reading an article on Sankaku (lol Sankaku, I know I take these guys with a grain of salt but they are rather good for entertainment purposes) that True Tears was ranked #3 or something for the best anime of 2008 based on a poll in 2chan. DVDs sold like dog turd though, think it was something like 2.5k which is probably barely breaking even considering the production quality.
OceanBlue
2011-04-03, 21:16
Above poster might want to put that in a spoiler.
Regarding excitement/popularity of True Tears, if I remember reading an article on Sankaku (lol Sankaku, I know I take these guys with a grain of salt but they are rather good for entertainment purposes) that True Tears was ranked #3 or something for the best anime of 2008 based on a poll in 2chan. DVDs sold like dog turd though, think it was something like 2.5k which is probably barely breaking even considering the production quality.
At least PA Works has Angel Beats. How well did Canaan sell? I'm assuming not too well. I'm hoping Hanasaku sells well, anyway.
At least PA Works has Angel Beats. How well did Canaan sell? I'm assuming not too well.
You're assuming right
2009/10/21 *3,559 Vol. 1
2009/11/27 *3,102 Vol. 2
2009/12/25 *2,695 Vol. 3
2010/01/29 *2,622 Vol. 4
2010/02/26 *2,819 Vol. 5
2010/03/17 *2,742 Vol. 6 (Three episodes)
As much as I like Angel beats less than True Tears and Canaan I'm glad it at least got PA works some cash.
Any word from the reception of this episode in japan (apart from sankoku)?
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 21:29
At least PA Works has Angel Beats. How well did Canaan sell? I'm assuming not too well. I'm hoping Hanasaku sells well, anyway.
Angel Beats, in my opinion, will always remain as a cash cow and P.A. Works attempt at trying to be KyoAni when trying to adapt "Key" works. Yes, Angel Beats was a big seller, and is going to P.A. Works best selling series for a long time, but it still remain as the worst anime produced by them.
Heck, Hanasaku Iroha's first episode covered more ground than the entirety of Angel Beats.
I'm extremely glad that P.A. Works decided to go back to their roots of animating original slice of series. However, I can't fully criticize P.A. for doing such a thing as animation companies need money from time to time. Perhaps they could knab another "Key" series as their next cash cow title since KyoAni seems to be more than content riding the FOTM Moe train since Clannad AS ended. Planetarian and Little Buster I'm looking at you.
Regardless, I still thought Angel Beats was okay, and still better than the equivalent K-on Season 2 that was airing at the same time. I just found it hilarious that Angel Beats had better music and concert scenes than the music that was "supposed" to be a music anime.
I'm asking myself "What excitement?"The show didn't really have great dvd sales and all the critical acclaim I've heard has been for the animation/direction rather than the script,maybe I've missed something.
True Tears was one of the most discussed and acclaimed series on 2ch during its run. The thing is that it's hard to tell what will sell. Often, popularity and critical acclaim on 2ch correlates to financial success (after all, participants tend to be hardcore otaku, who're the people most likely to buy anime DVDs), but it isn't always the case. At the end of the day, producers need to present a product that people want to collect, so just having otaku enjoy and praise a series isn't good enough.
Anyway, I'm referring more to industry excitement than fan response. Producers took notice, and it opened up many work opportunities for Okada, particularly in the way of original scripts. For instance, Kannagi director Yamakan spoke of how impressive True Tears was, and by golly, he selected Okada for Fractale (P.A. Works would sign her on again for CANAAN and Hanasaku Iroha, while Aniplex pitched Anohana).
This flood of work typically happens when a director, writer, seiyuu, or studio puts out something that really catches people's attention (via sales performance, interesting hooks, merchandising success, fan acclaim). Suddenly, everyone wants to capitalize on that potential and produce their own winner from it.
Pocari_Sweat
2011-04-03, 21:44
Anyway, I'm referring more to industry excitement than fan response. Producers took notice, and it opened up many work opportunities for Okada, particularly in the way of original scripts. For instance, Kannagi director Yamakan spoke of how impressive True Tears was, and by golly, he selected Okada for Fractale (P.A. Works would sign her on again for CANAAN and Hanasaku Iroha, while Aniplex pitched Anohana).
Anohana's script is by Okada as well? Jeez... That's the other series this season that was on the top of my plan to watch list since it's in the notamina timeslot.
I also remember reading up on an Anime blog (it was either blogsuki or star crossed) that during Jun Maeda's interview regarding Angel Beats, how he was impressed with True Tears and was part of the reason why he wanted to write for P.A. Works.
True Tears was one of the most discussed and acclaimed series on 2ch during its run.
Thanks for the info,didn't know that.
I'm guessing poor DVD sales because
Noe was probably a fan favorite and she didn't win in the end soo fans didn't get the dvd?
For instance, Kannagi director Yamakan spoke of how impressive True Tears was, and by golly, he selected Okada for Fractale
I knew he thought highly of her,didn't know it was because of True tears so thanks again for the info
Anohana's script is by Okada as well?
She scripted 3 of the past 4 NoitaminA shows (the exception is "C") and has done 6 shows since fall 2010 so TJR is right to say she's all over the place.
ApostleOfGod
2011-04-03, 21:59
told myself this is going to be one of the watchable series of the season (LOL DOG DAYS)
and after watching episode 1
dam this is one of those series that are going to deliver, hopefully it doesn't fail later
not gonna lie though i got pretty pissed watching little girl get slapped like that
also the sudden forced situation of being sent off to a place comparable to child labour + hostile environment, really provoked something outta me
guess its cuz i felt like i been there before and i never wanna go back :3
but def recommend for anyone who has yet to check it out, probably the best show of the season
serenade_beta
2011-04-03, 22:15
I'm guessing poor DVD sales because
Noe was probably a fan favorite and she didn't win in the end soo fans didn't get the dvd?
I'm sure there were people like that, but I don't really know. I have ideas though.
You can always go to 2ch yourself and ask... Though I think they don't allow people with non-JP IPs to post.
Kunagisa
2011-04-03, 23:10
I enjoyed [episode 1 of] the anime a lot more than the manga due to how they portrait the characters.
Ohana got spunk (the non-bitchy kind, how rare is that!). The couple of droplets and the yelling of frustration at the end gave a lot more character emotional depth than what other anime fail to do in an entire arc. I also had a favorable impression of Kou (despite a somewhat lackluster exit), but he progressed quite fast (in terms of anime speed) and also very honest. Aside from that though, the other characters were quite boring (I had high hopes for Nako too :rolleyes:).
Should be interesting to see the characters continue to develop though I will freaking hate this series if the nosebleed thing's a hint to any sort of illness. Here's hoping plot will not disappoint.
Ohana got spunk (the non-bitchy kind, how rare is that!).
Not exceedingly so! But, due to that being my favorite character type, I may very well be biased!
Dr. Casey
2011-04-03, 23:39
good episode imo
Is it just me....or
http://i.imgur.com/6XUw1.jpg
is Ohana's uncle a friggen PEDO??? Checking her out?
WTH!!!! I have high hopes for this series. I hope they don't get spoiled!
Is it just me....or
http://i.imgur.com/6XUw1.jpg
is Ohana's uncle a friggen PEDO??? Checking her out?
WTH!!!! I have high hopes for this series. I hope they don't get spoiled!
I think he was just staring at her since she looks like her mom(his sis)
I think he was just staring at her since she looks like her mom(his sis)
NO. I think you're being too optimistic. I wouldn't look at my niece that way REGARDLESS whether she resembles my sis because I don't look at my sis that way in the first place!!!!! :frustrated:
paladinenvec
2011-04-04, 00:22
The Animation was simply superb, the first episode was well paced and the it left me with a nice impression wanting for more, this is one type of anime that i was hungry for, i'm getting bored from harem,ero,fanservice,battle based anime's ,so this one, Hana-Saku Irona is an oasis in the middle of the desert , i hope that the show mantains this quality.
Ohana's pretty likeable , the other ones were kind of "Meh" but i think that it was because this episode is only the pilote episod which introduces the characters and after this one the characters will develop.
OceanBlue
2011-04-04, 00:27
I think he was just staring at her since she looks like her mom(his sis)
What was it established that he was the uncle? I thought that was the other guy?
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