2007-06-25, 09:27 | Link #61 | |
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2007-06-25, 09:33 | Link #62 | |
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Theres the Statues of the 4 Hokages overlooking Konoha. One was alive at the beginning, and 2 were revived so we got to see them alive. We can easily bullshit and say because of that, we know the 4th is either alive or will return to life later on. Doesn't make it true, but its even more plausible than this Madara nonsense that keeps floating around. VoTE to me is the last place the founders of Konoha had their last major battle, pushing out opponents to create the very end / border of Konoha. The two original guardians constantly standing over the edge of Konoha, still on guard. It makes more sense than Madara, but obviously it has nothing to do with Uchiha, sex with demons or sharingan so everyone will overlook it and say is still Madara. -_- PS. You all forget a few fatal flaws in your bullshit theory. 1.) Madara had a sharingan. (keep this one in mind ok?) 2.) Sharingan spawned from Byakugan. 3.) Byakugan was from a KONOHA CLAN. 4.) The clan won't have existed before Konoha. They got there AFTER KONOHA WAS CREATED. 5.) Shanrigan spawning from Byakugan means Madara came AFTER the creation of Konoha. Not before. Thats not Madara at VoTE. Else the entire manga timeline is off-whack. Its just that simple. Either Kish lied about the SHaringan basis, the Byakugan user clan history and the origin of Konoha (which is the only way Kish could make it possible for that statue to be Madara) or its not Madara and you guys are clinging to thin air as always. |
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2007-06-25, 09:35 | Link #63 | |
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2007-06-25, 09:55 | Link #69 | |
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Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi are origianl Team 7. They aren't dying before most other ninjas. Mysterious member and AL havent been fully revealed. How are they going to die unrevealed? What exactly is your point on the last part? Are you admitting to believing Kish screwed up the entire beginning timeline / facts he gave us so you can conveniently put Madara at VoTE so it can match your theory with no proof, or that Madara isnt the one at VoTE? Last edited by Hunter; 2007-06-25 at 14:52. |
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2007-06-25, 10:03 | Link #70 | ||
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But that's all beside the point anyway. You're saying speculation that Madara is one of the statues can't be valid because Kishi hadn't come up with the character before the battle at VoTE (even though you don't know that's the case). Since you've already stated that story is subject to change how do you know Kishi won't eventually end up making the other statue Madara? Example: As early as the first couple of chapters, there was cover-art depicting Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura being associated with toads, snakes and slugs respectively. Was this because Kishi had already planned for Jiraiya, Oro and Tsunade to become their sensei that early in the story? Or did he come up with the concept of the Sannin based on those early depictions? Either way, it eventually became a canon part of the story. Last edited by Hunter; 2007-06-25 at 14:56. |
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2007-06-25, 10:09 | Link #73 | ||
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2007-06-25, 10:23 | Link #74 | |
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Konoha is not more than 100 Years old, Tsuande is the Grand daughter of the person that created Konoha she is 50 Year olds, lets say that Shodaime was 70 Years old when Tsuande was Born, that means that 120 Years has passed since Shodaime was born, if you think that Shodaime created Konoha at 10 Years old, then be my guess. If those clan have less than 100 Years, why they speak about their history in form of speculation? 100 Years is not a long time to do that, maybe those clans were small by that time, but certainly Kishi hint us that those Bloodline existed before Konoha, reason why Kakashi spoke about the origin of the Sharigan as an speculation, if Sharigan would had appeared after Konoha Creation (and also Byakugan) then there would had been documented information about it. What I do agree that is possible that the person the statue represent is not Madara, heck Sasuke seemed to know about the History of those statue yet he seemed not to know about Madara.
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2007-06-25, 10:25 | Link #75 |
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C'mon think about it. An entire clan of people cannot develop in 100 years much less several clans of people or an entirely new clan branch off from an existing clan. That's a little more than the lifespan of a human being. Clans are built on several generations of family history.
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2007-06-25, 10:37 | Link #76 |
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Erm. The first birth wasn't on the first day of Konoha's creation. People moved there, and started having kids. Konoha isnt as populated as you think anyways. Some clans are under 10 people. Im yet to see a clan with over 35 members.
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With Shodai being Tsunade's grandfather, Konoha must be within 150 years old. BLs like the Byakugan must have existed prior to Konoha's formation, otherwise Shodai's generation (or maybe one higher if anything) will have been the first to have it...and even then it would still be a somewhat rare mutation. That'd make the generation of Neiji's granddad to be the generation of the "Byakugan Boom", which definitely wouldn't make sense with all the talk of history (and it would also mean the Sharingan mutation occurred very quickly after the Byakugan one), since that would only make 2 generations prior to the current Naruto, Sasuke, Neiji, etc.
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2007-06-25, 10:39 | Link #78 | |
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Those document represent secrets of the clans that existed way before they integrated themselves with Konoha, reason why they have it in secret place so outsiders don’t have access to them, you still are not grasping the concept of History here. BTW, lets see what Databook has to say: Quote:
IF you know how to read, you know it implies they existed before Konoha.
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Its like saying "how can there be a secret list of jutsus?" Everyone should know everything about everyone else right? So why dont they know about these jutsus? Neji developed techniques and his CLAN HEAD had no idea. Itachi got MS and noone in the Uchiha clan realized it. And these are people he eats and sleeps with. Quote:
Get real. DOnt use what you assume it means as proof. It gives you hard fact that they were the village guards. They had nothing to guard right at the creation nor had everyone determined they were best suited for guarding. It makes no sense that 3 minutes after Konoha was created, 2 huge clans moved in and decided to guard the place. No construction, no trees, nothing. Last edited by Hunter; 2007-06-25 at 15:22. |
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