[Manga] Chapter 362 Discussion

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by Kotengu

The fact that he had spent the whole fight figuring out what the jutsu was to be ABLE to electrocute himself so he wouldn't die is the impressive part.

Impressive? He has been doing that with Chidori since part 1. Actually, it is surprising that nothing has ever happened to his body until now when he was creating chidori. It is not like electricity created in one hand is going to insulate itself...Of course, the fire coming out of the mouth (or lungs) not burning anything along the way, is another impressive thing. Or the water coming out of Kisame not leaking towards inside the body to drown him.

[Sinaura]

I for one applaud Kishi for giving such a great char (Diedra) such an unrushed (not a word but w/e) demise, unlike Asuma and Oro. He's doing justice to Diedra, not leaving us to solve things through fanfiction like what we'll have to do with Kakuzu and Hidan.

[DeDe]

Originally Posted by Sinaura

I for one applaud Kishi for giving such a great char (Diedra) such an unrushed (not a word but w/e) demise, unlike Asuma and Oro. He's doing justice to Diedra, not leaving us to solve things through fanfiction like what we'll have to do with Kakuzu and Hidan.

I think that has to do with Deidara being such a popular character. I think Kishimoto likes Dei. I don't think he cared much for Kakuzu and Hidan which is why they didn't get much back story.

Kishimoto has made a point to tell us Sasuke is just about out of chakra which to me means someone else is going to save him. Sui? Kakashi? Shino?

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Ulquiorra

Then go read Bleach and you can argue about sillier things than ninjas with magic powers.

Yeah how about you get over yourself before expecting me to condone your daft fanboyism and ignoring it for a different series (which I do read).

[Deathwing]

if sasuke needs saving at this point then he is still a far cry from itachi who beat diedria in seconds (well he still is but having him saved would make him due for another training sequence) so i think sasuke will pull off some way to save himself by himself

[Sasuke_Bateman]

I can smell the flying thunder god now - fingers cross-
doubt it will happen though.

[Hunter]

This is going to be the last time I warn you about this : the manga is licenced, do not post significant part of the chapters.
This stands for pics and direct translation.

Summaries are ok, crops of pics are ok as well if you want to illustrate your point but this is it.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by Kotengu

Why are people underestimating Hyuuga now? It's already known that things made of chakra are useless against byakugan's jyuuken. Neji doesn't NEED elemental afinity to cancel jutsu. He cut kidomaru's webs, AND he got out of Kisame's water prison. PLUSS his study of jyuuken combat styles gives him REDICULOUS chakra control. Hyuuga's have the BEST chakra control period. No other ninja we've seen can emit 'regular' chakra from every pore in their body. Since the chakra system is connected to his circulatory system, I would assume inserting forign chakra into his body isn't gonna help you much when he already has complete control over it AND he can see what you're doing.
1. Neji wouldn't have been surprised by the mines.
2. Neji would have known what Tobi's body was like
3. Neji is a taijutsu specialist like sasuke and lee (hence better than Diedara)
4. Neji has kaiten to avoid blast dammage.
5. Neji could see thru clay bird where Diedara was hiding.
6. Neji could have seen the cloud of nano bombs
SPECULATION
therefore Neji prolly wouldn't have been caught by a bushin or been effected by nano bombs when he could dispell them from his pores(or simply cover his body with a light chakra shield) he wouldn't even need to use kaiten. Also even thou it isn't shown, neji could probably use jyuuken with his feet, and a jyuuken blast might be good enough to diffuse the mines.

Deidara aint your regulair boyscout...Neji couldnt see through the fat transformer Jidanbou's chakra draining shield. (if i am correct the needed to pinpoint his location through voice....not sight)

[Frenchie]

Finally.

Finally Sasuke might just win a meaningful fight.

I am extremely content with the way this fight turned out. It was progressive, both of the opponents taking it a step at a time, gearing up. Gave a lot of rythm to the fight, rather than speeding through the power levels of their jutsus.

I hope Deidara dies, for Sasuke's sake. His current win record isn't looking good.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Sazelyt

He cannot. Logically, he should be out of chakra (unless he acts to be out of chakra; that would be closer to a Kishi-burned scenario). Currently, he shouldn't have enough chakra to use that technique. And, even if he can use, he cannot defend himself against that kind of explosion, which has a 10km radius (though, there is always the possibility of going deeper underground). Sasuke lost one of his wing when he came across a much smaller version of that explosion. In the translation of the script, he was talking about another technique he could have used to defend himself. If he has chakra to use that, he might be able to survive, otherwise, he is expected to require some help (hopefully, that part will not be played by Tobi).

Sasuke might have conserved enough chakra to summon one or more Rashoumon gates (or a variety of that summon), which is how Oro protected himself from the Kyuubi blast, an attack comparable to Deidara's explosion in intensity.

Hiraishin, of course is not even a remote possibility.

Anyways, here are a few more spoiler pics

Seems to be consistent with the script released. Sasuke's Sharingan has disappeared and he looks very nervous. I'm not really sure what options he has. He might get saved, but I still think it's more likely he has plan to escape/defend against Deidara's blast

[kheldorin]

Heh...an argument about Sasuke not having enough chakra when there is still no mention of how low his current level is at now. According to Sazelyt, Sasuke's lightning jutsu is not impressive(I thought I already settled that) so he probably consumed very little chakra doing those "unimpressive" jutsus. Since most of Sasuke's attacks so far has been those "unimpressive" jutsus, he's probably just physically tired but still high on chakra.

Anyway Deidara doesn't even have enough chakra or the physical strength to move, yet he can perform his most powerful jutsu. So it's probably likely that Sasuke would use his alternate jutsu. It makes no sense for Kishi to mention it if he's not going to show it.

[tkdtiger]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

Deidara aint your regulair boyscout...Neji couldnt see through the fat transformer Jidanbou's chakra draining shield. (if i am correct the needed to pinpoint his location through voice....not sight)

Although I haven't checked that far back I believe the reason that Neji had trouble seeing through the chakra draining shield was due to the fact that the shield itself was surrounded by chakra. I think Neji probably could have seen stuff like Deidras mines and the nano bombs, although IMO the situation would be different. I'm not sure about Neji being able to see through the clones. I can doubt that a little if the clones work similar to Naruto's clone and Neji is unable to tell them apart.

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by kheldorin

Heh...an argument about Sasuke not having enough chakra when there is still no mention of how low his current level is at now. According to Sazelyt, Sasuke's lightning jutsu is not impressive(I thought I already settled that) so he probably consumed very little chakra doing those "unimpressive" jutsus. Since most of Sasuke's attacks so far has been those "unimpressive" jutsus, he's probably just physically tired but still high on chakra.

Anyway Deidara doesn't even have enough chakra or the physical strength to move, yet he can perform his most powerful jutsu. So it's probably likely that Sasuke would use his alternate jutsu. It makes no sense for Kishi to mention it if he's not going to show it.

Yep, Sasuke is going to get out alive out of this one, the question is How. In terms of possibility, I doubt that Kishi will resolve on either Sasuke been saved, or That Deidara was in a Genjutsu all along, the highest possibility I see is going to be a Jutsu, if its like that, then for the next chapter the Sasuke/Kishi bashing will go to an record all-time high. So be prepared to see a really flammable 363 Chapter thread. I’m planning to take a short vacation by that week…

[XYKE]

Originally Posted by Rurik

Yep, Sasuke is going to get out alive out of this one, the question is How. In terms of possibility, I doubt that Kishi will resolve on either Sasuke been saved, or That Deidara was in a Genjutsu all along, the highest possibility I see is going to be a Jutsu, if its like that, then for the next chapter the Sasuke/Kishi bashing will go to an record all-time high. So be prepared to see a really flammable 363 Chapter thread. I’m planning to take a short vacation by that week…

I'll be on vacation for 4 weeks starting this tuesday! so i can read through kishi's stupid writing lately really fast once im back.


Btw i just looked through the raw and Tobi actually appears in this chapter! all he 'says' is: !

and yup Sasuke does indeed stop using the sharingan and deidera blows himself up...

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by Sasuke_Bateman

I can smell the flying thunder god now - fingers cross-
doubt it will happen though.

-Careful with that otherwise Naruto will get a Dojustu (or the Kekkei Genkai for the eyes) that can control and bend all of reality. Do you honestly want that to happen? Sasuke decides he wants to kill Naruto after all and charges up the Chidori. Naruto in response waves his finger and says "You don't exist" and *poof* no more Sasuke. Besides, Sasuke can use the Shunshin no jutsu anyway which is a "weaker" variant (the principle is relatively the same) of the Hiraishin no jutsu. He doesn't need the latter.

[tkdtiger]

So far I liked the fight between Deidra and Sasuke, but I am hoping that Naruto and company will play a larger role soon.

[Kakosan]

Originally Posted by tkdtiger

So far I liked the fight between Deidra and Sasuke, but I am hoping that Naruto and company will play a larger role soon.

I've been expecting that for a few weeks by now... without success. At this point, I really don't expect anything, I just read and go along with Kishi's point of view (since he's the mangaka). Whenever the storyline gets more deep and interesting, I'll catch up with it. In the meantime, it is better just to "enjoy" Sasuke's sharingan in a fight that it's just that: a fight (BTW, I do enjoy fights when they're meaninful to the storyline)

[Kotengu]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

Deidara aint your regulair boyscout...Neji couldnt see through the fat transformer Jidanbou's chakra draining shield. (if i am correct the needed to pinpoint his location through voice....not sight)

My point is that neji wouldn't have been caught. Even if the clay insulated against his sight, he would have seen that and known that Deiadara was either surronded with clay, or it wasn't really him. Something like this would have been more plain to someone who can see into/thru people rather than just the chakra color.

In the event that he WAS caught (due to his nature as a taijutsu user) Diedara's jutsu isnt used to imprisson, weaken, and drain chakra. It's just a clay chakra bomb. Therefore neji prolly would have figured out how to release himself like he did with Kiddomaru's webs and Kisame's water prison.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Sasuke might have conserved enough chakra to summon one or more Rashoumon gates (or a variety of that summon), which is how Oro protected himself from the Kyuubi blast, an attack comparable to Deidara's explosion in intensity.

I don't think he has enough chakra (and stamina), but I won't be surprised if he has. He performed a lot of lightning attacks (that long lightning sword should have consumed a lot), he used genjutsu, he used CS2, he partially-summoned snakes, he suffered a lot of damage (caused by Deidara's and his own attacks)...And, even if he can summon one of those gates, such explosion should not be stopped by one of those, unless he can summon a half sphere and a few times thicker version of that.

[gibits]

DD seems to be the only person annoyed at Sasuke's autistic stare of doom, the fanboys as usual. Sasuke getting the 4th's move? Laughable but not something i put past Kishi.

So yet another great character died to sub-par ones, way to go Kishi