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kuruzen · 2007-07-17, 21:55

Wow, its strange how such tiny differences (like new character action or what) can be so shocking... I like how Waku is around more, yes, and that Kako seems to still be the usual Kako... but (forgive this) DAMN!

and that Maaya girl... anyone thinking she's this universe's Machi? Oooh... curiouser and curiouser...

Diedrupo · 2007-07-17, 23:02

I know a lot of people on 2ch keep speculating that Machi has something to do with Kokopelli and the game, but I really don't understand it. She's as clueless as everyone else IMO.

Maaya did replace Machi, but Maaya isn't part of the class or anything. She pretty much came from out of nowhere.

It should be reiterated that the light novel is not written by Kitoh, so it's just the imagination of someone doing their own bokuverse.

Iriliane · 2007-07-19, 02:47

I was re-reading some of the earlier chapters and something occured to me. The person Kana is most likely having Tanaka search for is her and Ushiro's father. Check chapter 21. Kana asks Tanaka for help finding her missing person directly after it's revealed that though both their mothers are dead Kanji and Ushiro both have dads that you "couldn't kill if you tried". We haven't seen any sign of Ushiro's father anywhere (this is probably a moot point since we haven't seen Kanji's father or Machi's brother either) so it's quite possible that he's abandoned Kana and Ushiro.

I'll also take this chance to point out that of all the children Moji is the one who changes outfits the least (with the exception of Waku for obvious reasons). He wears the same purple button up shirt every time you see him up until the beginning of his arc at which point he changes to an identical white button-up shirt and finally his combat uniform. Every other child has a different outfit in each scene. Even Waku changes between Kokopeli's battle and his own. Not that this has any bearing on anything but it's just something I noticed.

Also, for anyone who cares, Amazon Japan now has Bokurano Alternative volume 2 in stock.

kuruzen · 2007-07-19, 11:59

That's some good speculation there! It does make you wonder where the Ushiro father is... don't the Ushiro kids know what their father does (he's a teacher) and, therefore, know he's at least around? It makes for good mystery, and I think your abandonment issue is certainly valid.
Personally, I'm still thinking their mom will show up somewhere, and NOT be the one from the Gonzo bokuverse.

As for Machi, it makes for good speculation, too. She hasn't really had *any* characterization, other than leading the kids to the cave in the first place, making Chizu fight... I may just be ignorant, but she's suspicious to me. The standing in the wreckage in the anime's opening, Kanji's warning, "watch out for Machi..." I don't know, only time will tell.

Speaking of which (my horrible ignorance), what schedule does Ikki come out (with our lovely Bokurano)? Monthly? Bi-weekly?

[another thing I thought of, since Zearth moves with the power of life/pilot's life-force, couldn't the pilot not exert themselves or what and find a way around the dying issue?]

Curiouser and curiouser.

Iriliane · 2007-07-19, 12:38

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Originally Posted by kuruzen

As for Machi, it makes for good speculation, too. She hasn't really had *any* characterization, other than leading the kids to the cave in the first place, making Chizu fight... I may just be ignorant, but she's suspicious to me. The standing in the wreckage in the anime's opening, Kanji's warning, "watch out for Machi..." I don't know, only time will tell.

Machi has had some details about her revealed. We know that she has a brother who she obviously dislikes because when Ushiro tries to offer Kana as a potential pilot after Kako's death she says "You're just like my brother...". She's also the only one to object when Chizu kills Kako. It is true however that despite being arround for so long she's gotten the least development of any character. Though I can't see her being involved with Koemushi given he did nothing to stop her from dying in Anko's arc. Speaking of which she also flipped out on Anko's father when he decided to keep filming.

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Originally Posted by kuruzen

Speaking of which (my horrible ignorance), what schedule does Ikki come out (with our lovely Bokurano)? Monthly? Bi-weekly?

Bokurano is released monthly I beleive.

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Originally Posted by kuruzen

[another thing I thought of, since Zearth moves with the power of life/pilot's life-force, couldn't the pilot not exert themselves or what and find a way around the dying issue?]

This was brought up in Kako's arc but the only answer Koemushi gives when asked if Kako would survive is: "The answer to that, is obvious...". My personal opinion is that even if they don't move Zearth still consumes their life energy. Consider it like a car. If you turn it on but go nowhere you're still burning gas. Also, the odds of anyone not moving Zearth at all aren't very good. You can't expect the enemy robot to go and commit suicide for no reason like in the anime and as shown so far the military stands no chance of beating the enemy robots..

Diedrupo · 2007-07-19, 12:45

I actually really like the fact that Machi has gotten next to no development. Makes her character more intriguing.

She and Kanji both never really stood out among the kids, though Kanji started becoming more of a leader once Moji died.

Lion and the sky · 2007-07-19, 13:12

yes, IKKI is released on the 24/25th of each month

. Hmm...(here goes my ignorance) - who is the girl in the chair here? she dosnt look like any of the characters (but that may just be me)...! (is she from the novel?)

http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%9C%88%E5...4868447&sr=1-3

I love machi - shes my best character, I really hope shes not evil but shes definatly a bit of a mystery...!

Iriliane · 2007-07-19, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Lion and the sky

yes, IKKI is released on the 24/25th of each month

. Hmm...(here goes my ignorance) - who is the girl in the chair here? she dosnt look like any of the characters (but that may just be me)...! (is she from the novel?)

http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%9C%88%E5...4868447&sr=1-3

The girl in the chair is the the pilot of the enemy robot in Kirie's arc. The one who shows him the scars on her wrists.

Lion and the sky · 2007-07-19, 13:35

oh right! thakyou!!! *love!♥* that would make sense, I only have vol 2 and 3 of the manga and have relied on mangascreener for the rest!

kuruzen · 2007-07-19, 23:59

Thank you so much for clearing up my confusion! It makes the wait for Bokurano a little more bearable, but at the same time much more "AAAARGGHHHGGHHHRAAH!" I'm loving to see where the story goes. And I do love my Kanji; he's just so cool.

Diedrupo · 2007-07-20, 12:40

44 has been out for a while but nobody ever posts raws

kuruzen · 2007-07-20, 13:20

Even if it *is* just a "filler" chapter (just lotsa fighting), it's Kanji... Kanji! Oh well, at least the next one isn't so far away, so maybe we'll get a double-feature, chapter 44 and 45 at the same time? Ooooh...

Diedrupo · 2007-07-20, 16:52

You've seen 44? I wanna see...
I heard that 44 contains some of Kanji's background info (something we didn't get in 43), so it's not that much of a filler chapter.

Iriliane · 2007-07-20, 17:53

So far there's only been one chapter that could be fairly considdered to be a filler chapter and that's the final chapter of Chizu's arc. It does however show us some of Chizu's personality prior to the incident with her teacher so it wasn't a complete waste. Besides it was one of my favourite chapters so far.

kuruzen · 2007-07-20, 21:40

I don't know... that's just what I figured. But if it's Kanji's background (I was saddened by the fact that his first chapter didn't have it...), this is where I go "hellsyeah...!"

As for fillers, I don't know -- its those chapters that don't really do anything, maybe at the end. Kind of like Anko's second-to-last chapter.

Still waitin' and hoping and all oooh yeah!

Lion and the sky · 2007-07-21, 05:46

I was thinking I'm going to order some stuff from amazon.jp next month sometime that I may get an issue if Ikki, but do you think its one of those massive doorstep comics (would that make it really expensive to post?) if so i may get the second novel book - would be intresting to see what its like! The postage is so expensive from there...

boo!

Iriliane · 2007-07-21, 06:31

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Originally Posted by Lion and the sky

I was thinking I'm going to order some stuff from amazon.jp next month sometime that I may get an issue if Ikki, but do you think its one of those massive doorstep comics (would that make it really expensive to post?) if so i may get the second novel book - would be intresting to see what its like! The postage is so expensive from there...

boo!

Amazon.co.jp doesn't really seem to stock IKKI regularly and they don't have this or next month's issue available for direct order anymore. If you're planning to make an order there though you'd probably be best to decide on about 10-15 books you actually want first otherwise the price per book just doesn't seem worth it. 2700 yen +300 per item is pretty steep but at least no matter how heavy the stuff you order is it costs the same. I know I'll be ordering volume 2 of alternative as soon as I'm not broke.

Diedrupo · 2007-07-21, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Lion and the sky

I was thinking I'm going to order some stuff from amazon.jp next month sometime that I may get an issue if Ikki, but do you think its one of those massive doorstep comics (would that make it really expensive to post?) if so i may get the second novel book - would be intresting to see what its like! The postage is so expensive from there...

boo!

I special ordered all of the available Bokurano volumes from Sasuga. Wasn't badly priced.

Lion and the sky · 2007-07-21, 13:38

oh cool thanks!!! I'll look that up

! and thats good, i thought amazon did it by weight hehehe i'll have to save for ages but yes yay!

...i hope we can find out about machi soon!!!

Diedrupo · 2007-07-26, 17:08

latest Ikki should be out... hopefully summaries of chapter 45 will appear any day now.

Kitoh has really taken it up a notch with Kanji's storyline.

2007-07-17, 21:55	Link #281
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	Wow, its strange how such tiny differences (like new character action or what) can be so shocking... I like how Waku is around more, yes, and that Kako seems to still be the usual Kako... but (forgive this) DAMN! and that Maaya girl... anyone thinking she's this universe's Machi? Oooh... curiouser and curiouser...

2007-07-17, 23:02	Link #282
Diedrupo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	I know a lot of people on 2ch keep speculating that Machi has something to do with Kokopelli and the game, but I really don't understand it. She's as clueless as everyone else IMO. Maaya did replace Machi, but Maaya isn't part of the class or anything. She pretty much came from out of nowhere. It should be reiterated that the light novel is not written by Kitoh, so it's just the imagination of someone doing their own bokuverse.

2007-07-19, 02:47	Link #283
Iriliane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada	I was re-reading some of the earlier chapters and something occured to me. The person Kana is most likely having Tanaka search for is her and Ushiro's father. Check chapter 21. Kana asks Tanaka for help finding her missing person directly after it's revealed that though both their mothers are dead Kanji and Ushiro both have dads that you "couldn't kill if you tried". We haven't seen any sign of Ushiro's father anywhere (this is probably a moot point since we haven't seen Kanji's father or Machi's brother either) so it's quite possible that he's abandoned Kana and Ushiro. I'll also take this chance to point out that of all the children Moji is the one who changes outfits the least (with the exception of Waku for obvious reasons). He wears the same purple button up shirt every time you see him up until the beginning of his arc at which point he changes to an identical white button-up shirt and finally his combat uniform. Every other child has a different outfit in each scene. Even Waku changes between Kokopeli's battle and his own. Not that this has any bearing on anything but it's just something I noticed. Also, for anyone who cares, Amazon Japan now has Bokurano Alternative volume 2 in stock.

2007-07-19, 11:59	Link #284
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	That's some good speculation there! It does make you wonder where the Ushiro father is... don't the Ushiro kids know what their father does (he's a teacher) and, therefore, know he's at least around? It makes for good mystery, and I think your abandonment issue is certainly valid. Personally, I'm still thinking their mom will show up somewhere, and NOT be the one from the Gonzo bokuverse. As for Machi, it makes for good speculation, too. She hasn't really had any characterization, other than leading the kids to the cave in the first place, making Chizu fight... I may just be ignorant, but she's suspicious to me. The standing in the wreckage in the anime's opening, Kanji's warning, "watch out for Machi..." I don't know, only time will tell. Speaking of which (my horrible ignorance), what schedule does Ikki come out (with our lovely Bokurano)? Monthly? Bi-weekly? [another thing I thought of, since Zearth moves with the power of life/pilot's life-force, couldn't the pilot not exert themselves or what and find a way around the dying issue?] Curiouser and curiouser.

2007-07-19, 12:45	Link #286
Diedrupo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	I actually really like the fact that Machi has gotten next to no development. Makes her character more intriguing. She and Kanji both never really stood out among the kids, though Kanji started becoming more of a leader once Moji died.

2007-07-19, 13:12	Link #287
Lion and the sky Doing Japanese at uni :D Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: England Age: 35	yes, IKKI is released on the 24/25th of each month . Hmm...(here goes my ignorance) - who is the girl in the chair here? she dosnt look like any of the characters (but that may just be me)...! (is she from the novel?) http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%9C%88%E5...4868447&sr=1-3 I love machi - shes my best character, I really hope shes not evil but shes definatly a bit of a mystery...!

2007-07-19, 13:35	Link #289
Lion and the sky Doing Japanese at uni :D Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: England Age: 35	oh right! thakyou!!! love!♥ that would make sense, I only have vol 2 and 3 of the manga and have relied on mangascreener for the rest!

2007-07-19, 23:59	Link #290
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	Thank you so much for clearing up my confusion! It makes the wait for Bokurano a little more bearable, but at the same time much more "AAAARGGHHHGGHHHRAAH!" I'm loving to see where the story goes. And I do love my Kanji; he's just so cool.

2007-07-20, 12:40	Link #291
Diedrupo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	44 has been out for a while but nobody ever posts raws

2007-07-20, 13:20	Link #292
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	Even if it is just a "filler" chapter (just lotsa fighting), it's Kanji... Kanji! Oh well, at least the next one isn't so far away, so maybe we'll get a double-feature, chapter 44 and 45 at the same time? Ooooh...

2007-07-20, 16:52	Link #293
Diedrupo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	You've seen 44? I wanna see... I heard that 44 contains some of Kanji's background info (something we didn't get in 43), so it's not that much of a filler chapter.

2007-07-20, 17:53	Link #294
Iriliane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada	So far there's only been one chapter that could be fairly considdered to be a filler chapter and that's the final chapter of Chizu's arc. It does however show us some of Chizu's personality prior to the incident with her teacher so it wasn't a complete waste. Besides it was one of my favourite chapters so far.

2007-07-20, 21:40	Link #295
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	I don't know... that's just what I figured. But if it's Kanji's background (I was saddened by the fact that his first chapter didn't have it...), this is where I go "hellsyeah...!" As for fillers, I don't know -- its those chapters that don't really do anything, maybe at the end. Kind of like Anko's second-to-last chapter. Still waitin' and hoping and all oooh yeah!

2007-07-21, 05:46	Link #296
Lion and the sky Doing Japanese at uni :D Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: England Age: 35	I was thinking I'm going to order some stuff from amazon.jp next month sometime that I may get an issue if Ikki, but do you think its one of those massive doorstep comics (would that make it really expensive to post?) if so i may get the second novel book - would be intresting to see what its like! The postage is so expensive from there... boo!

2007-07-21, 13:38	Link #299
Lion and the sky Doing Japanese at uni :D Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: England Age: 35	oh cool thanks!!! I'll look that up ! and thats good, i thought amazon did it by weight hehehe i'll have to save for ages but yes yay! ...i hope we can find out about machi soon!!!

2007-07-26, 17:08	Link #300
Diedrupo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	latest Ikki should be out... hopefully summaries of chapter 45 will appear any day now. Kitoh has really taken it up a notch with Kanji's storyline.