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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 04 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 17 | 12.32% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 28 | 20.29% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 48 | 34.78% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 19.57% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 5.80% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.45% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.45% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 4.35% | |
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2007-10-31, 07:14 | Link #261 | |
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The whole point of the "Xanatos Roulette" is that the plan is not ironclad (and indeed, part of the fun is in the wringing of the protagonists (or antagonists...) on what they could have done differently in the past to prevent it) and can in theory, fall completely apart. What makes the trope so intriguing is that the manipulator has an absurd amount of foresight and the pieces, done well, give a sense of "Oh! You magnificent bastard!" feeling to it when the plan is executed in completion, and just as planned. Also, did you read the entry in its entirety? I ask this because some of the points you raise make a "Xanatos Roulette" what it is. The entry on "Xanatos Gambit" should prove useful as well. Cheers.
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2007-10-31, 07:30 | Link #263 | |
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The point I am making, is that America can't possibly agree to all this, because they have far more to lose than Venezuela if it all goes wrong. And the final result was hardly worth the moblisation of both the American and the combined Union forces. Venezuela had what happened as an emergency plan, but NOT with American consent. It isn't worth the trouble for America to play along. The gain is too small for them.
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2007-10-31, 07:52 | Link #266 | |
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Why the hostility towards the US?
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2007-10-31, 07:53 | Link #267 | |
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Venezuela did what they did because they know Union would HAVE to attack them in order to survive. And they counted on CB to defend them. It didn't happen, but they got the minor prize instead.
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2007-10-31, 09:24 | Link #271 | |
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We the viewers do get a strong hint though - I think it's just after the scene with the news report showing Venezuela you see US president Brian wondering "which side they'll chose" (or something like that - haven't seen the subs). Basically, he's wondering which side CB will chose. He's not certain, but seems prepared for either eventuality. |
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2007-10-31, 09:57 | Link #272 |
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I don't thing there's any conspiracy involved. The Taribian Prime Minister certainly foreseen both possibilities and had long decided that if CB attacked Taribia, he would ask the Union for assistance.
He couldn't lose either way. If CB defended Taribia, then he would successfully gain full control over a major part of the solar energy system for free. If CB attacked Taribia, he had already made up his mind to immediately ask the Americans for help. This would effectively render any further anti-American actions impossible, but ultimately he stood to benefit from it. Clearly there are a lot of anti-American Taribian politicians so, compared to the rest of them, the Prime Minster now owes a debt to the Americans and is thus more likely to behave better. Therefore he now has American backing for his rule. At the same time, he can claim to his people that he "did his best" in trying to secure Taribian independence and blame the plan's failure on Celestial Being. I don't think President Bryan was involved in this whole thing prior to the secession announcement. The Taribian Prime Minister probably decided to pull this off because it can't actually hurt him either way. And Marina's advisor gives off super villain vibes. |
2007-10-31, 09:58 | Link #273 |
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Im actually surprised that we have seen a super soldier this early on. Its always a given that a country has secret experiements going on that are kind of shaddy. But if we saw one i thought maybe not till almost half way through the series. This is interesting even we have only seen one given enough time and a successful capture of a Gundam we could see a whole squade of those little test tube soldiers
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2007-10-31, 10:33 | Link #274 | |
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As far as Venezuela and America was concerned, the alliance was finished when Venezuela did what it did. There was no intention of attempting a peaceful, more friendly separation, because Talibia (easier to spell) was aiming for a bigger pie; complete domination over America. Any belief that this conflict was about independence or freedom is just hot air. Talibia wanted power, and it hoped CB will help it gain the power. Are you asking America to play nice? Talibia can decrease the power supply gradually each day, until America either collapse or surrender. This is a hostage situation, with the entire civilian population of the country as the stakes. When someone is strangling you by the neck, you only have three choices: Surrender, fight, or die. The question you need to ask is, does an Alliance work in the way Talibia behaved? More importantly, what DID you think America should have done in this situation? You don't seem to think negotiation was impossible, so how would you negotiate then? I am curious.
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2007-10-31, 10:47 | Link #275 |
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After watching Mendoi-Conclave's subs, I decided to give the episode an 8. I liked the political stuff, and surprisingly Marina did not get on my nerves too badly. It is hinted that she'll improve...and I hope she'll improve. Right now she's an amateur since she had just been reinstated to power not long ago, it's natural for her to seem a bit dim-witted.
...If Setsuna unfortunately becomes her romantic interest...that would make him a KING?? Uh... I don't really like the idea. I really hope he's just some long lost relative kidnapped to fight a war but such wishful thinking is unlikely to happen. *Sigh* I hope they don't pair him up with anyone...*blabbers on about unimportant fangirl stuff* I wish AEU will do something else besides sitting in their conference room and watching their TV within two episodes, because right now they seem very insignificant when compared to the Union and HRL. I hope there's more to Patrick than his retarded arrogance. ...Also, after watching the extended preview I am now convinced that Allelujah has an alternate personality. Wow. A bunch of psychos...fascinating. However, I have to agree with some people that the conversations about CB and the part where people hundreds of kilometers away continue another's conversation is getting old. Real old. It's nice to have a well-thought out background, but it's starting to get cheesy in the way they portray it (or rather, it was cheesy to begin with but I somehow tolerated three episodes of corny parts)... Blah. Next episode is practically promising us character development, so I'm looking forward to it. |
2007-10-31, 12:51 | Link #276 | ||||
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However, as I said earlier, that's not how an alliance works. An implict right of any member of an alliance is the right to withdraw from it if they want to (i.e. France from NATO); if they cannot do so, then the political arrangement is something quite different. If the Union was functionally an alliance, then they may criticize Taribia, but it isn't sufficient excuse for attacking them (at least not right away). The Union's main recourse would be to renegotiate the rights to the orbital elevator - something like the Union maintaining control of the elevator and the territory immediately surrounding it and a guarantee of the energy delivery from the elevator in exchange for recognition of Taribia's sovereign rights. This would be similar to the arrangement that the Panama Canal operated under until quite recently. Quote:
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2007-10-31, 14:14 | Link #277 |
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This series is really getting worse, IMO. The political intrigues are hilariously bad. If the CBs are so much against secession and rebels (how does secede from an alliance anyway?) and want to stop war, the easiest way would be to help one of the big three conquer the whole world and help them get rid of rebellions for a while, any other way would simply not work in the long run. The country of Marina still has reserves of oil? In the 24th century? And since there was turmoil they did not elect a new government or made a coup or became communists, etc but willingly reverted to monarchy? OK, now that's realism indeed. Venez...oops, Taribia was anti-american and now it won't be, even though there will be union troops in there. Why exactly?
As I said before - they sould either come up with new regional conflicts or they should have simply set the conflict in the 21st, not 24th century. Real IRA decided to stop fighting for no reason other than the CBs actions somewhere else, as I expected. Still none of the characters has shown any depth whatsoever, maybe because they are too busy with all these pretentious conversations which repeat Celestial Being every few seconds. And a new, dramatically improved FLAG as early as the fourth episode. Why? This Saji fellow reminds me of a harem anime main character, every time I see him, I picture him desperately looking for the group of females madly in love with him that are supposed to be in the series but are not. At least Marina is not all knowing and capable from the start but the way things are going now, she might be a great leader by episode 15 which would be just stupid.
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2007-10-31, 14:29 | Link #279 |
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I'm too lazy to quote, but here are a few thoughts.
Re: possible compromise between Taribia and US: - The US gets as much energy as it wants - Taribia gets as much energy as it wants - Taribia isn't officially part of the Union, and is relatively free from interference on the domestic front, but won't act against the Union in the world at large - the increase in Taribia's share is taken out of the shares of the other "little countries" of the Union, but who cares about them? Re: Xanatos roulette: I think it's possible. The US would have wanted to see what the CB would do, and a chance to capture a Gundam. Bryan could also have predicted how the CB would react, and wagered on that. The risk wasn't that great. Four gundams aren't enough to occupy a country. The Taribians could have been manipulated, or maybe the president had some kind of deal. The CB may well have been aware of it, but decided that attacking the Taribians was the best move for now all the same. It's not like they really lost anything, and the game isn't nearly done yet. |
2007-10-31, 14:46 | Link #280 |
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They're too expensive and resource-intensive to construct. Not only would they be (by far) the largest construction projects undertaken by any government, but it likely takes decades to build one - the AEU's elevator is at least ten years behind the schedule of the HRL's.
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