Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (old)

[Var]

Originally Posted by Narona

She was waiting for a whole year while Her friends could have been executed any time.

I think she's quite depressed actually.

But was not anxious and was fully composed in episode 26. Anxiousness does not fit in there. So... thanks for furthering my point? If she's anxious about anything, it has little to do with her friends who've been where they've been for a year's time.

[KrimzonStriker]

What is this? You used to respond to almost all of my posts before Var

[Var]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

What is this? You used to respond to almost all of my posts before Var

I saw nothing to dispute in your point. You didn't even make any claim to anything other than what has already been said by the director. What do you want me to do? Argue with Taniguchi?

[Narona]

IBut was not anxious and was fully composed in episode 26. Anxiousness does not fit in there. So... thanks for furthering my point? If she's anxious about anything, it has little to do with her friends who've been where they've been for a year's time.

I have a different view about that. After a whole year, she could be in a hurry. She could also be pissed to wait for Zero to do something because now he is back she knows that her friends could be executed soon.

If I were her, I will be anxious about that "danger".

[KrimzonStriker]

Well, that would be rather amusing to watch

But I did put up an alternative that the situation isn't exactly stress free from what it once was given the condition of the Order and the sudden dis-communication of the guy who you just banked everything to rescue and hopefully revive your decaying carcass of a rebellion.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Narona

I have a different view of the situation. After a whole year, she could be in a hurry. She could also be pissed to wait for Zero to do something because now he is back she knows that her friends could be executed soon.

If I was her, I will be anxious about that "danger".

She has no reason to doubt Lelouch. He has as much riding on this as her. It is the same situation as before. She was always composed before, why would that change now?

As to adress pissed; she has no reason for that. As I said, she's no reason to doubt him now. If she's anxious she'd risk her own agenda, she knows that full well. So there's no reason for her to act so out of character over something like this.

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Well, that would be rather amusing to watch

But I did put up an alternative that the situation isn't exactly stress free from what it once was given the condition of the Order and the sudden dis-communication of the guy who you just banked everything to rescue and hopefully revive your decaying carcass of a rebellion.

Apologize, I missed that segment. Though I really have nothing to say against it as it is fully possible to be the case, but it still feels out of place. Because, from the way it is worded, she seems to know he is fine since she's waiting for orders and not an obituary.

[Aquaman OS]

Maybe Kallen is subconsiously having less confidence in Lelouch now that she knows he's someone her age who she knew quite well. He might have been bumped down from a Messiah like figure in her mind due to the fact thats she's interacted with him in the past. She's no longer thinking "It's Zero, we're nothing compared to him, there's nothing he should fear, as he's Zero." but more along the lines of "Lelouch.. will he really be ok?" This is more an issue for her than the rest of the order as they still really don't know who he is. He's gone from a masked man with an obvious alias to a man they've never seen or heard of before so he can still be larger than life to them. Kallen....not so much anymore. She's seen him at his most ordinary and wimpy.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Var

She has no reason to doubt Lelouch. He has as much riding on this as her. It is the same situation as before. She was always composed before, why would that change now?

Good point.

But people can change with time, you know ^^.

[KrimzonStriker]

Apologize, I missed that segment. Though I really have nothing to say against it as it is fully possible to be the case, but it still feels out of place. Because, from the way it is worded, she seems to know he is fine since she's waiting for orders and not an obituary.

I don't know, like I said the situation is pretty grim, maybe she's worried about her obituary and that of the Orders more then the one for Lelouch. Then there's the whole issue of the last time he went off on his own during episode 25, and that wasn't exactly the greatest precedent to leave for your followers I would imagine >_>

[Morgun]

And maybe the spoiler is over exaggerating and she isn't feeling anxious at all.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Maybe Kallen is subconsiously having less confidence in Lelouch now that she knows he's someone her age who she knew quite well. He might have been bumped down from a Messiah like figure in her mind due to the fact thats she's interacted with him in the past. She's no longer thinking "It's Zero, we're nothing compared to him, there's nothing he should fear, as he's Zero." but more along the lines of "Lelouch.. will he really be ok?" This is more an issue for her than the rest of the order as they still really don't know who he is. He's gone from a masked man with an obvious alias to a man they've never seen or heard of before so he can still be larger than life to them. Kallen....not so much anymore. She's seen him at his most ordinary and wimpy.

If she's having less convidence in him she wouldn't be going to such great lengths to get him back (see: risking life parading as a degrading bunny girl). He may not be a messiah anymore, if he ever was to her (more like a brother replacement before), but he's still a man who performed miracles. There's no established reason for her to doubt him after having reaffirmed her commitment to him and the OotBK.

She's hardly ever seen him wimpy. She's seen Lelouch Lamperouge wimpy. She's also seen him offer his gun to Tamaki to shoot him if he feels that he can't lead them. The words he told to her in nine, which are closest to his character, are not wimpy words. They are words that tell you to bear through and eventually do the right thing but in a great manner (ie. change the world, not the singular situation).

Originally Posted by Narona

Good point.

But people can change with time, you know ^^.

I understand that full well, but if she did not show the change in the course of an entire year, it would be rather odd for her to randomly show this in episode 2.

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

I don't know, like I said the situation is pretty grim, maybe she's worried about her obituary and that of the Orders more then the one for Lelouch. Then there's the whole issue of the last time he went off on his own during episode 25, and that wasn't exactly the greatest precedent to leave for your followers I would imagine >_>

Right, but now we all know Nunally is gone, as does she since there's no indication she's been mind-raped, so there's really nothing left holding Lelouch down. If anything, I'd be more able to follow him now that I know his restrictions are gone.

Originally Posted by Morgun

And maybe the spoiler is over exaggerating and she isn't feeling anxious at all.

Then there'd be no point in calling this a spoiler and speculation thread.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by Var

I understand that full well, but if she did not show the change in the course of an entire year, it would be rather odd for her to randomly show this in episode 2.

After only one Turn, how can we tell she is exactly the same now...

[KrimzonStriker]

Right, but now we all know Nunally is gone, as does she since there's no indication she's been mind-raped, so there's really nothing left holding Lelouch down. If anything, I'd be more able to follow him now that I know his restrictions are gone.

Knowing and managing to control your habits are sometimes different things, like trauma, you have a bad experience and when faced with the same predicament, even when it shouldn't effect you thanks to some change in circumstance, you can't help but react. Plus, there is that whole thing about appearing in next month's obituary if they don't start pulling some rabbits out of the hat and revive the Order

[Var]

Originally Posted by Narona

After only one Turn, how can we tell she is exactly the same now...

We know she's changed but she's shown no hesitation in her actions. Someone who offers to do what she did probably doesn't have problems of doubt and anxiousness as they'd give her away incredibly quickly.

She greated Lelouch with his own line from Refrain, which means she's changed in her understanding of him at the very least. I'm not disputing that she's changed, I'm saying that she's not changed in ways that would lead to 'anxiousness' unless it involves Lelouch and not the mission. Since the mission was presented in Turn 1.

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Knowing and managing to control your habits are sometimes different things, like trauma, you have a bad experience and when faced with the same predicament, even when it shouldn't effect you thanks to some change in circumstance, you can't help but react. Plus, there is that whole thing about appearing in next month's obituary if they don't start pulling some rabbits out of the hat and revive the Order

Well that's true, but she's shown as a strong willed person. So that becomes a little less likely to be the case. But an obituary report would be funny.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Var

Well that's true, but she's shown as a strong willed person. So that becomes a little less likely to be the case. But an obituary report would be funny.

And she's shown to have a softer and more fragile side too, episode 9 is a good example, as was her reaction at the end of episode 25. We'll see what's up in episode 3 I guess.

You know, that last line suddenly has me picturing Zero saying "News of my demise has been greatly exaggerated" when he makes his return

[Var]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

And she's shown to have a softer and more fragile side too, episode 9 is a good example, as was her reaction at the end of episode 25. We'll see what's up in episode 3 I guess.

You know, that last line suddenly has me picturing Zero saying "News of my demise has been greatly exaggerated" when he makes his return

And Lelouch has a similar side as well, never stopped him from doing what needed to be done. Twenty-five, I'd call more a shattering of her ideal brother-replacement. So that's more expected. It'd be akin to the Emperor telling Lelouch some obscene thing that'd just wreck his world. "Lelouch! I'm your mother! Behold the power of my Geass!"

Ahh, that would be the greatest way for someone to make a return.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Var

And Lelouch has a similar side as well, never stopped him from doing what needed to be done. Twenty-five, I'd call more a shattering of her ideal brother-replacement. So that's more expected. It'd be akin to the Emperor telling Lelouch some obscene thing that'd just wreck his world. "Lelouch! I'm your mother! Behold the power of my Geass!"

Ahh, that would be the greatest way for someone to make a return.

Technically, being anxious about your situation and awaiting orders is a part of doing what needs to be done.

And yes, for once I wholeheartedly agree with you Var, best return ever!!

[Aquaman OS]

Originally Posted by Var

If she's having less convidence in him she wouldn't be going to such great lengths to get him back (see: risking life parading as a degrading bunny girl). He may not be a messiah anymore, if he ever was to her (more like a brother replacement before), but he's still a man who performed miracles. There's no established reason for her to doubt him after having reaffirmed her commitment to him and the OotBK.

That's not what I meant. I know she's willing to fight for him, and she knows Japan needs him. It's just that no matter what she claims she's thinking things are different between them now. He can't be larger than life to her anymore. She's seen Lelouch Lamperouge wimpy. And she now knows that Lelouch Lamperouge=Zero. So in the back of her mind there still might be a little voice telling her "It's Lelouch, will he really be ok?" Especially since she apparantly saw him get shot and arrested rather easily by Suzaku in front of her.

That doesn't mean she doesn't trust him or believe in him. Just that she might be more worried for his safety now, since he's been "humanized"

[quina]

Originally Posted by aers

Everything in this post is in Japanese!

You mentioned not being able to see Newtype clearly, so here's that transcribed (I don't know Japanese so I can't translate; this is from 2ch)

Spoiler for Newtype Episode 2-5 spoilered for size:

2話（４/13）日本独立計画
ルルーシュはすべてを思い出した。自分が何者であったのか。
なぜ記憶を失っていたのかを。彼は怒りと復讐に燃え、ブリタニア軍を倒す奇策を実行に移す。

3話（４/20）囚われの学園
学園にはロロというルルーシュの弟がいる。
だが、ルルーシュには妹のナナリーしか家族はいないはずだが……。

4話（４/27）逆襲の処刑台
ブリタニアの騎士ギルフォードは、ゼロに一騎打ちを申し込んだ。
応じなければ、捕虜になっているゼロの仲間たちを殺すと言うのだ。
ギルフォードは百戦錬磨の騎士で、一対一ではゼロに勝ち目はない。
しかしゼロはその勝負をあえて受けた！

5話（5/4）ナイトオブラウンズ
ブリタニアの最強騎士のひとりにしてルルーシュの旧友、
枢木スザクが学園に現れた。彼がルルーシュに会いに来た理由とは……。
一方、生徒会は、スザク歓迎会と称して大騒ぎをしはじめた。

Here's Animedia's, also from 2ch.

Spoiler for Animedia Episode 2-5:

2話（４/13）日本独立計画
スザクはブリタニア皇帝にある功績を認められ、
ブリタニア帝国最強の十二騎士「ナイトオブラウンズ」に出世した。
一方、ルルーシュはブリタニアの大軍が包囲するバベルタワーで
包囲網を突破すべく、C.C.、カレン、黒の騎士団の面々とともに戦っていた。
ブリタニア軍がバベルタワーに増援部隊を送り込んでくるため、
黒の騎士団は劣勢を強いられるが、ルルーシュが用意していた作戦により戦況は一転する。
そして、黒の騎士団によるテレビ中継を通して、ルルーシュはとある宣言をする。

3話（４/20）囚われの学園
カレンはあの一件後も一向にルルーシュからの連絡がないことに不安を感じていた。
その頃、ルルーシュはアッシュフォード学園で授業を受けたり、
乗馬をしたりと、いつも通りの学園生活を送っていた。
しかし、学園内でブリタニア軍から監視されていることに気づいていたルルーシュは、
自分がゼロであることを悟られないよう、監視している連中を欺く必要があると感じる。
そんな中、ブリタニア軍の騎士・ギルフォードが、
藤堂ら黒の騎士団を処刑するとの声明を発表する。

4話（４/27）逆襲の処刑台
ルルーシュは自分の部屋で処刑間近の藤堂らを助ける手段を考えていた。
藤堂らの救出手段を模索するルルーシュだが、ロロの存在がネックとなり、
なかなか妙案が思いつかない。そんな時、ルルーシュは偶然目にしたものからヒントを得る。
そして時間が過ぎ、ついに藤堂ら黒の騎士団が処刑される時間になった。
処刑場にゼロの姿はなく、藤堂たちにブリタニア軍の銃口が向けられる。
だがその時……。

5話（5/4）ナイトオブラウンズ
スザクの復学を喜び、ミレイはルルーシュたち生徒会の面々を集め、
「ナイト・オブ・セブン歓迎記念特別文化祭」の開催を突然発表する。
あわてふためく生徒をよそに、その3日後、文化祭が遂に開催された。
ルルーシュは、人目に触れると何かと不都合の多いC.C.が
平然と模擬店に並ぶ姿を目撃して焦り、彼女のもとに駆け寄る。

Animage (small)

Spoiler for Animage 2-5:

２．「日本　独立　計画」
　今、明かされるルルーシュ変貌の秘密!!　バベルタワー内で黒の騎士団の前に出現した謎のナイトメアは! ?
　ルルーシュの運命は如何に!?

３．「囚われ　の　学園」
　ゼロは「合衆国日本」の再建を宣言した。それに対しブリタニア軍は、捕らえていた騎士団の主 要メンバーの
　処刑を通告する。そんななか、監視状態にあるルルーシュが取った行動は･･････。

４．「逆襲　の　処刑台」
　ロロにある取引を申し出るルルーシュ。それは･･････。
　一方、刻一刻と黒の騎士団の処刑が迫るなか、ゼロが姿を現した！

５．「ナイト　オブ　ラウンズ」
　ナイトオブセブンとなった枢木スザクが、再びルルーシュの前に現れた！
　そして、ミレイはまたもスザクとアッシュフォード学園を巻き込むことに!?

And here's episode 2-3 summaries from I believe a TV guide of some sort.

Spoiler for 2-3:

2話
神根島で放たれた銃弾の行末は。ルルスザに果たして何が起こったのか？
今、明かされるルルーシュ変貌の謎。
戦場と化したバベルタワーで激戦を繰り広げる黒の騎士団の前に現れた正体不明のナイトメア。
その脅威の戦闘力の前に騎士団は絶体絶命の窮地に追い込まれる。

３話
バベルタワーの大混乱に乗じて黒の騎士団の残存部隊は脱出に成功。
復活したゼロは、「合衆国日本」の再建を宣言。
それに対して、ブリタニアは捕らえられている黒の騎士団主要メンバーの処刑を発表。
残された時間が限られる中、ルルーシュはある意外な行動に出る。

ok, thanks for posting so I don't have to check 2ch.
I can type up the translation once I got home, I translated Newtype's one already anyway.

Unless someone did it already. I am looking forward to ep5 so bad already. C.C. will rocks

[Var]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Technically, being anxious about your situation and awaiting orders is a part of doing what needs to be done.

And yes, for once I wholeheartedly agree with you Var, best return ever!!

No, being anxious is not a good thing to be when waiting for orders. The best to be is what Kallen was in S1, calm, collect, and ready for anything - completely faithful in her leaders capabilities. Not sitting on the edge of your seat and ready to fall off at the slightest breeze.

This isn't the first time we've agreed.

Originally Posted by quina

ok, thanks for posting so I don't have to check 2ch.
I can type up the translation once I got home, I translated Newtype's one already anyway.

Unless someone did it already.

It was put up a few pages back by Serenade.

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

That's not what I meant. I know she's willing to fight for him, and she knows Japan needs him. It's just that no matter what she claims she's thinking things are different between them now. He can't be larger than life to her anymore. She's seen Lelouch Lamperouge wimpy. And she now knows that Lelouch Lamperouge=Zero. So in the back of her mind there still might be a little voice telling her "It's Lelouch, will he really be ok?" Especially since she apparantly saw him get shot and arrested rather easily by Suzaku in front of her.

That doesn't mean she doesn't trust him or believe in him. Just that she might be more worried for his safety now, since he's been "humanized"

And like I said, there's no reason for her to doubt Lelouch's abilities in leading them to victory. He no longer has any obstacles to hold him back. And while she's seen Lelouch Lamperouge wimpy, she's seen Zero( the other face of Lelouch) lead them to victory against all odds. If she managed to reaffirm her conviction in him after 25 then she's had to at least pieced together the real Lelouch.

He is the same person he was before, he has led them to great victories. She has no reason to doubt that on what she's him act like in school. Lest, we start wondering if Lelouch thinks Kallen is a weakling due to how she acts in school.