2008-04-11, 21:58 | Link #3861 |
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I guess I'm the only KimiKiss fanatic (apart from maybe DKZ) that thinks Vampire Knight is great, lol.
C'mon Lego, try it. Sure the genders are reversed for the love triangle, but you can still carry on your shipping frenzy there if you got into it.
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2008-04-11, 22:02 | Link #3863 | |
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At least the ending satisfied that and left it there without a shadow of a doubt that they're pretty much life partners together. As for Vampire Knight, not really my thing. I'm more of a Planetes, Emma, Black Lagoon, GITS SAC, FMP, R.O.D TV guy. I have weird tastes and when I get into a show, I get into a show. |
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2008-04-11, 22:10 | Link #3864 | |
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2008-04-11, 22:22 | Link #3865 |
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Well, considering KimiKiss basically strung that love triangle for the entire series like True Tears, and Vampire Knight had the two main LIs almost at each other throats from the get go, I assumed they're going to string that love triangle to the very end as well. And from the looks of it, it's going to take focus like in the other two shows.
But eh, I thought KimiKiss was closer to Clannad than to True Tears, so YMMV.
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2008-04-11, 23:27 | Link #3866 | ||
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She really brought her character to life during critical scenes. For example, I like how there's this very slight change in her voice when she cries, as if she's making a small effort in speaking straight. (episode 24). Quote:
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2008-04-12, 00:38 | Link #3867 |
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Well you can certainly say Kimikiss was a series of triangles. Had the Kouichi triangle, Mao triangle, Kazuki triangle. Admitting that the Kouichi and Mao ones overlapped, and Kai dropped out well before the end.
On the Vampire Knight side of it....I just never found the ability to get into things with vampires. Only thing that comes to mind is, it's my blood and no one else can have it .
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2008-04-18, 23:22 | Link #3868 | |
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On that note, i thought the resolution of this series was rather badly string together by the events that had happened, there was hints of it for a while (just stating the obvious), as the love triangle goes (Mao, Yúmi, Kouichi) i thought after been together this long (Yúmi X Kouichi) Yúmi would have aleast tried to keep Kouichi beside her instead of just throwing everything away because she is transfering away, all for nothing i think, if she was the character who could just throwing all the relationships away like that so quickly and easily without having a fight then why did she start a relationship with Kouichi??? from this point of view i think Yúmi was some what using Kouichi as a memory of this place although i personally think that is was very unfortunate for Yúmi, i can't help but think that this is unpleasent with her actions in the last episode.... (prove me wrong please !!!) |
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2008-04-19, 08:43 | Link #3869 | ||
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Perhaps Yumi fans is struck with too much love for her. Imo, the reason why the ending with her was so great was because she didn't do the most obvious and cliched thing that she could have done, what was to force herself to make Kouichi stay by herside even though she knows well enough that he is in love with Mao. That sort of denial attitude would have just killed off her character for me as being a text book example of how not to have a relationship. But yet, she took the mature and more gutsy approach to just "let go" of the past. Honestly, It is made completely clear to her that Kouichi is no longer in love with her as he once was. Now if this didn't wake her up it just makes Yumi a dodgy character, abit a selfish one as well. Now the more mature way to think of this is that she is happy that the one she loves is happy rather than go on a yandere rampage. It is an unfortunate end for her though I have to admit. But that is life, you win some and you lose some. She us doing the right thing by not letting the past hold her back.
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2008-04-19, 09:32 | Link #3871 |
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I respect Yumi for making the right decision and moving on with little hesitation, but Kouichi is a different story. First of all I watched 23 episodes of Yumi and Kouichi development only to see in the last 2 minutes of episode 24 that Kouichi has apparently fallen head over heals in love with Mao, almost completely forgetting about Yumi. I have to say how considerate of him to tell Yumi he loved Mao (not) and then running to Mao and having a lovey dovey ending. He felt almost no guilt. This is where the series crashes and burns. I grew incredibly tired of Kouichi spacing out all the time, quite frankly Kouichi is the epitomy of a weak man who couldn't keep a promise. Since I hate the main character the series takes a big knock. I was very happy with the other pairing and how they built it up but unfortunatly not enough so for me to rate the series anything above a 6/10.
It seemed to be going well for around 20 episodes and then became angsty and unfullfilling. Special mention to some great characters like Kai (very refreshing compared to Kouichi), Futami and Hoshino. Most were good in fact except Kouichi. At least I did learn a few things from watching, so not a complete waste of my time. |
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2008-04-19, 20:30 | Link #3873 | |
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But I agree with your point about Kouichi breaking his promise. And yet on the other hand, it's also not right to keep a promise that would ultimately end up hurting each other in the long run. It would've been nice if the ending emphasized this sentiment more instead of closing the story a bit too early. |
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2008-04-20, 02:56 | Link #3874 | |
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By the end of ep 18 the bomb has already hit and his feelings have been swayed already. You could call him weakminded for changing his mind but I do believe that he thought deeply about who he loved more.
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2008-04-20, 07:23 | Link #3876 | |||
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Figures it had to be one pair versus the other... Usually, the final episode thread (despite the interesting insight offered by some folks) usually boils down to cheering, ranting and then sourgraping. (Yes, she won! Stupid ending! He doesn't deserve her anyway! Pick a line.) Frankly, I don't care which pair you prefer. I was just pointing out the contrary that such developments don't occur after episode 23. Quote:
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2008-04-20, 13:29 | Link #3877 | |
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As with all shounen romantic triangle-based anime stories, the hinge is "heart commitment", meaning determining the one whom the protagonist's heart is truly longing for. And, almost invariably, this longing is developed (in the show) through absense/distance. And of course, like clockwork, and as you said, there will always be those who prefer the initial pairing and find their courtship more appealing/palatable. It's just the nature of the thing, I guess. |
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2008-04-20, 14:29 | Link #3878 |
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I suppose that's a better way of putting it.
This is also goes back to the resolution not turning out to be a more balanced payoff to all the drama that unfolds beforehand. Well, at least for me anyway. In that way, I can understand why some people think the change is too sudden. Simply put, I think the story needs that extra aftermath episode. While everything is accounted for in the end, we can't help asking ourselves new questions. |
2008-04-21, 11:03 | Link #3879 |
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Exactly, if you look back from episode 1, you'd realize that small hints that started growing as the episodes elapsed indicate that he'll be choosing Mao in the end. It's like having a bucket of water with a small hole in it, where no matter how small it is, it will drain the bucket out of water eventually. That's this series's only and major weak point.
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2008-04-21, 12:14 | Link #3880 |
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And here I thought it was a feature, not a bug.
That's really the main reason why I loved this series. Instead of the main guy flip flopping between one girl or another for pretty much the entire series, repeatedly destroying whatever build-up they had for any girl by doing so, this show has Kouichi slowly but definitely surely growing towards Mao right till the very end. A great change of pace from your regular harem anime, or even from recent straight love triangles in order to 'avoid' becoming predictable. And for me, this series basically illustrates that being 'predictable' isn't a bad thing if it's well executed, just like with all other things. As I quoted before in this thread, "There are no coincidences; only hitsuzen." Every seemingly tiny and insignificant event points, and leads to, a single inevitable route. Of course, there's red herrings to keep things unrepetitive (ala Kai and Yuumi, and even then they took part in pointing to this inevitable route), but that's pretty much what I have been taught to look/write for in a good plot.
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