Ichigo and Rukia? or Ichigo and Orihime?

[HayashiTakara]

Yeah it really is a funny coincidence XD

I never liked the way the side profiles of the characters, but frontal view of Takahashi is just too cute ~<3 lol I always preferred girls with "rounder" faces, never liked narrow/thin faces.

I'm watching Kenichi to balance out the emotional overload from Bokura ga Ita, lol

but um... yeah, asceticly speaking OrihimexIchigo is the cuter couple, lol >_> XD

[Kakashi]

Can someone give me some rep so I can have a spectacular aura? I just need one point! Then I can give HT rep for watching the same anime as me XD. Kenichi is next on my list after I watch Get Backers

Seconded on the round face, that's one reason I prefer Orihime to Rukia because she's too cute <3. I like when her eyes go wide open and her face goes round Speaking of which I found some new Orihime pics which I need to post on Image thread. It's a nosebleed special.

[HayashiTakara]

lol, I can't rep you either. I haven't decided on what to watch after Kenichi, although I have some time to think on it.

Aye, Orihime is indeed too cute for words, I thought she looked great in ep 166. I dunno, I'm the type that needs someone to "protect", and Orihime is like... so huggable, lol, I think Ichigo's "protective" nature, just goes so well with Orihime's personality, but thats just me.

[BleachOD]

The thread is dying, and I am bored so here goes...

you guys(HT and Sensei) are saying anything...Neither of them looks like Ichigo or Orihime. And Ichigo and Rukia are the cutest together. I can't rep either of you and I don't unless you deserve it (Great Posts), make me laugh, insult the hell out of me...Which makes me laugh or all of the above. Anyway...I never go outside the Bleach forums so I can't rep either of you, it's too soon.

@Asam..You argue like a IchiOri demon . People who are truly neutral dislike both camps equally. Your hatred of IchiRuki-ers clearly marks you as a member of the Demon Brigade.

#1 ...

Originally Posted by kagato3

Edited by OD

>> Oh she of short term memory.<< if that aint the pot calling the kettle black. (No pun intended)
Differences in episode 4:
+At one point on the rooftop Ichigo actually punches the straw into Rukia's juicebox for her. thus completely chainging it from him almost completely ignoreing her to something I have seen people (bleachOD) use here as Proof of Rukia-Ichigo.

That's a goddamn lie. I have never used that scene Anime or Manga. If you are going to single me out...Make sure I actually used what you are saying I did. I like that part too..so it stands out in my mind just as it obviously does in yours *Snicker*

I used 5 when he steps on shriekers head. For example of expressions and interaction.

Spoiler for Continue....:

Originally Posted by kagato3

The anime paints the interactions between Ichigo and Orihime completly diffrent.

.

Tell me something I don't know...

Originally Posted by kagato3

for a post I made less then a month ago:
Differences in episode 2 & 3:
+Ichigo runs into Inoue in the hall almost knocking her down rather than seeing her in the classroom and greating her in a friendly manner...

And...? (I fail to see your point. *Somebody wanna help me out, here?*)

Originally Posted by kagato3

+In the anime she seems more afraid of him than having a crush on him which is very clear in the manga..

I beg to differ, I started off with the anime and had no problem seeing her feelings quite clearly. I actually felt really sorry for her and I loved her to pieces. But mid-way through SS arc I begin to hate her. And I had only the first 2-3 seasons. So I only got to 53 before I got impatient (It was a week away) And read the Manga from 201-205 Then 1-200 in the course of night (I then read again from begining to end.) I begin to hate her guts after that. And I realized she's a stalker. <--I am not the only one who thinks this.

Anyway...I had no trouble discerning Inoue's feelings. Anime or Manga. Long before the creepy confession.

Originally Posted by kagato3

+Instead of training in the park Ichigo and Rukia are walking down the street. Rukia is still practicing her modern Japanese. They see Inoue recovering after just getting hit by a car and start talking to her..

You got me here! They sure did! They cut out a bit of IchiRuki and the conversation with Inoue was more or less the same... But on street not a park

Wait wait...Oh...You forgot they did cut out

Spoiler for TEEHEE:

The part where Inoue implies Ichigo didn't care. Not that he didn't care. He didn't really care enough. And if he was really concerned he wouldn't have said. "Ok" that fast. LMAO at that. She just got hit by a car and this is the depth of his concern

You know he seem more upset over not learning Rukia's whereabouts than he did over Orihime

Spoiler for Clicky:

Notice he said "brown haired girl" Ichigo and Orihime DO NOT have the same hair color

Ok...You mind telling me why you brought that up again?

Originally Posted by kagato3

There's no mention of Ichigo practicing to just hit a hollow's head and kill it in one blow. This limits the idea that at least early in the story pretty much the only time Rukia was around Ichigo was when 1) they were in class 2) fighting hollows or 3)training..

Er what about the times she is shown in his room? Dude she lives with him First in his closet,now in his sisters bedroom. He can get out of his own body, she doesn't have to live there.

Do you realize they spent most of their time together? Regardless the reasons they were together all the time. Not Ichigo & Rukia and Inoue. Getting to know each other is usually a prerequisite for relationships. (Excluding those who started their relationships from one-night stands). Do you remember when Ichigo apologized to Orihime? When he finished, he went home with Rukia

Spoiler for Why is it:

She can only get a good night sleep at Ichigo's house? Why do you think, Rukia is under the impression Ichigo should aware that she'd wanna be with him at his house...More than anywhere else?
[IMG][/IMG]

Pt in IchiRuki's favor.

Originally Posted by kagato3

+The anime doesn't show Orihime's daydream, starts out romantic with her and Ichigo ends up realy wierd..

So?

Did Ichigo share that dream? It was a dream. Just being on the same page does not count. (Hell if it did IchiRuki would win by a land slide) That's an ORI MOMENT *Next?!*

Originally Posted by kagato3

Inoue doesn't bite her brother's hand, but simply struggles to get free. .

Huh?!

Originally Posted by kagato3

+Tatsuki is given as the only reason Inoue stopped praying to her brother..

Somewhat true. Ichigo's part in it is left out. Can I correct a misconception? She didn't stop talking to her brother because of Ichigo. The reverse is true (Which is why his panties were in a bunch) She dwindled off when she met Tatsuki but when Orihime met Ichigo. All she'd talk to Acidwire about was Ichigo. (Who was then Sora) Not,not talk about him. The anime made her look less obsessive then the manga. I totally agree.

Originally Posted by kagato3

Given how big a rant Acidwire goes on about Ichigo in the manga Ichigo would have to be completely clueless to not have a good idea how she feels about him..

That's what I said. But Sensei proved he wasn't in the house. However he was yelling so he probably heard him.

So if it means if what you say it does, then when I said "He knows...He just doesn't care" Then that is true...
Are you a IchiRuki in a Demon's clothing?

Originally Posted by kagato3

He also seems to have had at least 1 conversation of a deeply personal nature with her before the manga started as she told him about the hairpins..

ONE conversation...*Awed*

Yeah but it left no major impact on him. As a matter of fact to quote Ichigo. On second thought. Lets see what he thought of her years, days or months after that conversation occurs.

Spoiler for Clicky:

Notice Ichigo says "Brown Haired Girl" Ichigo and Orihime DO NOT, have the same hair color.

Recently learned...Thats it. No attachment implied whatsoever.
Again...I fail to see your point. (You mind elaborating?)

Originally Posted by kagato3

+In the anime they say Inoue's brother attacked Ichigo because of the hollows that turned him into a hollow .

Ok...
They say that in the manga too. They just don't add Grandfishers silhouette . I think it was Aizen and he was really after Rukia. But whatever floats your boat ...*Shrugs*

Originally Posted by kagato3

Differences in episode 6:]
They leave out Orihime sniffing around the window. One of the first hints that she is very good at senceing people( well Ichigo at least and is what she used to track him down when he was with the vizard).

Again...The stalker-ish ways are taken out.

I am glad you pointed that out...

Originally Posted by kagato3

I could go on but these are just the diffrences in the first 6 eps on interactions between Ichigo/Orihime/Rukia the early part of the anime baseicly tended to minimize any interaction between Ichigo and Orihime and seems to have a bais on pairing Ichigo and Rukia that just wasn't there in the manga..

What moments?

Originally Posted by kagato3

They went so far as haveing the filler shinigami from the GF arc imply that Rukia had a thing for Ichigo which pretty much comes out of nowhere and is likely due to the fact that they hadn't goten to all the way through the SS arc in the manga and desided,.

The point is...The Anime seems to think like I do.

Originally Posted by kagato3

which pretty much comes out of nowhere and is likely due to the fact that they hadn't goten to all the way through the SS arc in the manga and desided,.ncorrectly I might add, that there would be a Ichigo/Rukia couple out of it. Again this never happend as Ichigo and Rukia's interactions returned to the preSS status quo..

What?!

Originally Posted by kagato3

Ichigo has never been shown careing about anyone beyond being worried for thier safety and in this he tends to use a sorting algarythem of power that goes His sisters->non powered friends->Orihime->Rukia/Chad-> Ishida/Renji-> anyone more powerful then them..

That's Rukia -.Chad-> Orihime-> Ishida/Renji-> That's how it should read...

I disagree he's been shown putting Rukia first here...

Spoiler for I am posting this again:

Dude he tried to go back the way he came! He did not do that for Chad.

If I may quote my fellow fan-club member

Originally Posted by Jenni

It's why he decides to let her go alone, even though he really doesn't want to. It's why, when Chad falls, he has that internal struggle about whether to go to him or to trust that he'll be all right. It's why he gets the little surprise about Inoue's shield being as powerful as it is - because it's meant to highlight the fact that his friends are, indeed, capable. It's also why his decision to turn around, abandon the mission, and go to Rukia in 270 is so important. Because trust or no trust, capable or not capable, lesson or no lesson, just leaving her to the fates is too much to ask of him. That's his limit.

That sums it up quite nicely

And you can make all the excuses you want. But the fact is. Ichigo was willing to risk everyone to save Rukia. But not a one to save Orihime. Each time he was going in blind...

Originally Posted by kagato3

And aside from a lot of small moments that Ichigo and Orihime have shared

Really small...

Inconsequential is an apt description. You posted nothing of proof.
I want to see proof of a bond, I want to see them going through a range of emotions. I want to see "Love Taps" <--The hitting. That's something a lot of Girls and Boys do. I want to see FULL-PAGE spreads with both of them WIDE AWAKE and showing some emotions. Laughter, Tears, Tenderness, I want quotes about her from Ichigo. Regarding Orihime and the effects she had on his life.

Not just them occupying the same space!

Originally Posted by kagato3

the whole Grim/Ichigo fight pretty much confirms that Orihime opinion is extremly importent to him. Once she got over her fear it had a dramatic effect on him, his face softens, he starts smileing, and he starts showing off in front of her all of which are common indecations of a male in love..

"Smiling as indication of a man in love." Is your own spin like a mofo. To take a leaf from your book...It's "Ambigous" to say the least.

I could post the times he's had smiles like that for others. Has he ever smiled like this? And while looking at Inoue no less...

Spoiler for Chill -out he's never did this for Inoue:

Oh...Look Look! Look at the first panel before he smiles and looks at Rukia. He is overcome with emotion, CLEARLY shows on his face .He did not do that with Inoue when he first saw her, and then he didn't have time, Nel and Grim occupied his time.

Look at this one...He's happy and conscious!

Check the expression before he smiles

Has he ever said this about Inoue at anytime? No...

Furthermore...Look at manga. Look at the panel. Ichigo takes up a full page and you can't really see Inoue. She is a inset but do you realize when he looks up he can't even see her. What kind of shortchanged-half-ass moment is that? If I were on the Demon brigade I would feel cheated!
o.O has Rukia ever been reduced to an ant in a IchiRuki scene? He can't see her tears either (And she can't see his smile)...So all that beauty(Ichigo's) is wasted. Damn shame...

Spoiler for Karakura Cowgirl.:

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Originally Posted by kagato3

As to the picture, aside from the fact that had they been able to clasp hands you would have had the 2 strongest fighters and the wonder healer together which would pretty much derail the whole SS arc, you are omiting a few details such as Ichigo was basicly in a constant state of running battles the whole SS arc and didn't seem to dwell on Rukia either and he Knew she was with Ishida who to his knowlage the second strongest of the group.[/quote]Oh yeah
...Then what's this?

Spoiler for Have you ever see him do this:

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Or this when Inoue was kidnapped?

The answer is NO you haven't...
He didn't find out she was with Ishida till after he fought with Zaraki and Yourichi brought her up. Because his first words were "CHAD" Followed by "Why didn't you save Rukia?!" Inoue didn't cross his mind. He did mention her at the Soukyoku but again she was grouped with everyone. Notice they had had moment together while Inoue has to hear Ichigo say "You're right, I did come here to fight you" Thereby creating room for doubt that Ichigo's motivations weren't solely Inoue's retrieval whereas SS arc there was never any doubt. Good job KT...If thats the way you want to convince me of IchiOri. That is exactly the thing you do. Have someone call the hero a liar when he says he wants to save Damsel and that is his sole purpose...Oh and having him agree to those claims is a stroke of brilliance! [/Insert Sarcasm]

Ishida battled with her. Just being there was dangerous from the start. He did dwell on her or was asked about her, he vowed on his soul to save her. Something he didn't do for Orihime and when he did. He included everyone...

So there you have it ladies and Gents. The entire basis for the IchOri a surety that Inoue wins. Who's really the delusional one...Them or me Seriously...

[HayashiTakara]

Oh come on, you know Takahashi = Inoue, Yano = Ichigo, just admit it, it won't change anything :P

Anyway, you know for a fact that if all of Inoue's words, actions, etc were given to Rukia you would be, "OMG Rukia loves Ichigo so much!!! *fap fap fap*" lol

Give me a minute while I poke holes in your post, since I got nothing better to do, lol.

[Daito-kun]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Oh come on, you know Takahashi = Inoue, Yano = Ichigo, just admit it, it won't change anything :P

.

Emm.... Are you all right? Where the hell from did ome this statemenet? And if I say "Ichigo=Daijujelin Kuro and Rukia= Al Azif, just change the hair color"????

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Oh come on, you know Takahashi = Inoue, Yano = Ichigo, just admit it, it won't change anything :P

No...

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Anyway, you know for a fact that if all of Inoue's words, actions, etc were given to Rukia you would be, "OMG Rukia loves Ichigo so much!!! *fap fap fap*" lol

...I would not. I would say "Poor Rukia she hasn't got a shot in hell"

If the roles were reversed..I would hate Rukia with the same passion I do Orihime!

I keep telling you, I AM NOT A RUKIA FAN. I am an ICHIGO FAN GIRL!!! That's it!! It just so happens my favorite character of ALL TIME...Is in-love with Rukia.

I am not making excuses for Rukia because I am enamored with her character (Unlike some people)

Like AmyCoRe (<--Fan-club Member) said..."We don't ship IchiRuki...We F**kin read the manga!"
It is what it is...You disliking that fact, does not means it isn't true.

And...

Stop frontin! if you had quotes or if Orihime was in Rukia's place ...you'd post that too (Like you did that filler moment)

You can't There is nothing that equals any image I used. Only Ori moments so all you can shout is "That's not true" Since you can't post anything that belies what I am saying.

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

:
Give me a minute while I poke holes in your post, since I got nothing better to do, lol.

You're welcome to try...

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Daito-kun

Emm.... Are you all right? Where the hell from did ome this statemenet? And if I say "Ichigo=Daijujelin Kuro and Rukia= Al Azif, just change the hair color"????

I don't even want to respond to this as the characters you chose are such a massive departure to both Ichigo and Rukia. I'll post a comparison shot later.

And OD, if you really ARE just a Ichigo fangirl, you wouldn't give a rats ass about this debate. The only thing you should care about is how many red stripes he have on his hollow mask. Stop bullshitting and admit you're a IchiRukia shipper.

And I'm not talking about a complete role reversal. I'm saying that if Inoue never had feelings for Ichigo, that she's just another comrade like everyone else where you never go into her feelings and what not, and instead keep Rukia with all her quirks and story, but add Inoue's feelings to it, and I know you'll be fapping to it.

[asam_laksa]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

I don't even want to respond to this as the characters you chose are such a massive departure to both Ichigo and Rukia. I'll post a comparison shot later.

And OD, if you really ARE just a Ichigo fangirl, you wouldn't give a rats ass about this debate. The only thing you should care about is how many red stripes he have on his hollow mask. Stop bullshitting and admit you're a IchiRukia shipper.

Isn't it obvious? It wouldn't be ranting about how bad Orihime is incomparable to Rukia(jealous, weak, unequal, emo), her lackings, therefore for sure Ichigo is going to pick Rukia over Orihime. Like as if Kubo Tite would do that, making one female character to be better than the other female character, just for the sake of true pairing.

Originally Posted by BleachOD

@Asam..
You argue as a Orihime demon. People who are truly neutral ACCEPT both camps equally. Your hatred of ZEALOT ICHIKIAI FANS WHO DEROGATE ORIHIME clearly marks you as a member of the Demon Brigade.

Fixed.

Those who hate zealot IchiKiai fans, are not necessarily IchiHime fans. They may be fans whose OTP pairing is the one that doesn’t necessarily requires Ichigo and Rukia to be set apart just so that their OTP pairing can be together. I love to pair Aizen and Orihime together, and I couldn’t care the hoot about Ichigo and Rukia, as long as my Aizen and my Orihime get their moments. Those who know me, know it to be true, I seldom participate in IchiHime fan clubs and seldom gush over the ‘IchiHime’ stuffs.

By the way, the reason why I'm neutral towards IchiKiai pairing, is because I don't think IchiKiai is ever going to happen. I think the reason why the hatred towards IchiHime is so intense, in compared to IchiKiai pairing and fandom (I only hate their zealot fans) is because they do see the possibility of IchiHime happening greater than their choice pairing from happening.

I hate IchiHime pairing, not the fandom........ unlike IchiKiai pairing, which I only like the pairing, but not the fandom.

The pairing fandom is there. However, I don’t go around bashing Rukia’s character or put so much of mockery on IchiKiai pairing itself. If I could, I would love to do it on Ichigo, not Rukia, so as to gain support for AizenxOrihime pairing.

[Amirali]

The funny thing is that OD also thinks AizenXHime has potential.

[HayashiTakara]

OD and most IchiRuki fans thinks everyone that isn't Ichigo has potential, as long it keeps Orihime away from Ichigo.

[Daito-kun]

Personally I think that's the only one possible in bleach pairing to Orihime is that one with Ichigo. And that's why her feelings will remain onesided forever. You know, Ichigo of coz cares of her, and treats her differently from others comrades(he aware that she is a girl, after all) , but he just doesn't have same feeling for her as she has for him, that's all.

[Amy corE]

OD, dear, oh, do I understand you. xD

Ruki-fan reading Bleach: "She is strong, brave and beautiful. She and Ichigo have a great foundation and chemistry. They are awesome together. Damn, she is his "Rotator"! One word - CANON!"

Ori-fan/Ren-fan reading Bleach: "SHE/HE IS IN LOVE! And they look so cute together!!! Ichigo/Rukia HAS TO LOVE HER/HIM BACK!!!"

REAL Ori-fan reading Bleach: "She is such a great girl. But this orange-headed bastard spoiled her life. How I wish she'd move on and find a man who will love her and cherish her as much as she deserves it." After reading: "Dammit, do I hate this berry-head!!! Hime, look at Ichida already. She does not even know...that Ulqui thinks she is a 'strong woman'... Shame..."

REAL Ren-fan reading Bleach: "Renji is cool. Now, now... Where can I buy Zabimaru in shikai?" Fangirls are drooling, obviously. xD

Ichi-fanGIRL reading Bleach: "Damn. So hot. Damn. I swear I will buy a poster of him. *or make a tattoo of him...OD* I need money." After reading: "OMG, he is already taken! That Rukia-girl... Okey, she has a great personalty. And I cannot convince Kubo to make Ichigo and ME a CANON. Well then... I've baught a poster... now I should join the IxR FC." After some time a faith in IchiRuki developes even more...you start participating in pairing debates. Simply...you are a girl...you are more interested in Ichigo's happiness and character...not in his mask only, srsly.

My closet OTP is IchiHichi. This is the only yaoi pairing I like love.
But...er...Ichigo happens to be pretty straight.
I never liked all this mushy stuff. I do not need the ILU line...oh, how I hate those words... they mean nothing.
LOVE is a cocktail of MANY sensations. Inoue's cocktail was...admiration, faith, liking, fangirling, care. Right now it's: fear, lack of faith, blindness, confusion.
Nah, she does not love him. She should move on. This will be much better to her character. And, yeah, Bleach is not a Disney's fairytale.

If IchiRuki didn't have such a great foundation, chemistry and development I'd never see them together just because "They are the hero and the heroine! YAY. it's LOVE!". >_>


Ehhh...somebody, buy me a time machine...... I NEED the plot's comeback asap! Although a few flashback-chapters pwn the whole HM-arc. xD

[Kakashi]

facepalm

So you're saying that all REAL *Insert Character* fans should believe what you believe, especially since it fits quite nicely for Ichigo and Rukia as a pairing. On top of that you're so blind sighted with IchiRuki prejudice that you think a few flashback chapters can pwn the whole HM arc. Basically the whole arc is redundant to you because it features very little IchiRuki. Sorry but I'm not buying what you're saying.

What OD said is BS because there's no way she prefered IchiRuki because Ichigo happened to be in love with her - according to her. It's because she doesn't like Orihime and likes Rukia. That's the reason everyone has a preference, because they prefer one girl over another. So Ichigo-fan girls exagerate and think they have everyone under their 'complete hypnosis' that they love Ichigo and no one else. Why would they do something like this you say? Because it makes them seem less bias and more objective. As if Hime shippers are being delusional with their Orihime love. While we are in some ways so are Rukia shippers, you're no better then us. Except you pretend to love Ichigo and whatever Ichigo loves - in this case it must be Rukia therefore you're IchiRuki. Get in your head that you love Rukia more then Ichigo. The only exception being OD, but she still loves Rukia, just not as much as Ichigo. Otherwise she wouldn't say such foolish things as IshiHime have a better chance then IchiHime. And IchiHime sounds too much like IshiHime. But then they frown upon everything we say as retarded. This is a general statement but their are exceptions and you know who you are.

Anyway it's silly to pretend you're KT and all-knowing. If you're right well done but no need to undermine our views. And this is just stupid ->

Inoue's cocktail was...admiration, faith, liking, fangirling, care. Right now it's: fear, lack of faith, blindness, confusion.
Nah, she does not love him. She should move on. This will be much better to her character. And, yeah, Bleach is not a Disney's fairytale.

Once again presuming you are Orihime, despite the fact you don't like her. I don't see how you could make such a judgement.

edit: thanks for the rep Morgus and Sinta

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by asam_laksa

Edited by OD

Isn't it obvious? It wouldn't be ranting about how bad Orihime is incomparable<--So you think she's incomparable? I didn't say that you did. to Rukia(jealous, weak, unequal, emo), her lackings, <---Funny Orihime lovers say the same thing about Rukia

therefore for sure Ichigo is going to pick Rukia over Orihime<--Er...No. We say that because they actually have a relationship. We don't pick one-sided moments or dreams because Ichigo was on the same page. we see them as a pairing. .

Like as if Kubo Tite would do that,<--He did. making one female character to be better thanthe other female character, just for the sake of true pairing.



Fixed.

Those who hate zealot IchiKiai fans, are not necessarily IchiHime fans. They may be fans whose OTP pairing is the one that doesn’t necessarily requires Ichigo and Rukia to be set apart just so that their OTP pairing can be together. I love to pair Aizen and Orihime together, and I couldn’t care the hoot about Ichigo and Rukia, as long as my Aizen and my Orihime get their moments. Those who know me, know it to be true, I seldom participate in IchiHime fan clubs and seldom gush over the ‘IchiHime’ stuffs.

By the way, the reason why I'm neutral towards IchiKiai pairing, is because I don't think IchiKiai is ever going to happen. I think the reason why the hatred towards IchiHime is so intense, in compared to IchiKiai pairing and fandom (I only hate their zealot fans) is because they do see the possibility of IchiHime happening greater than their choice pairing from happening.

I hate IchiHime pairing, not the fandom........ unlike IchiKiai pairing, which I only like the pairing, but not the fandom.<--You are saying anything...it all boils down to you hate IchiRuki. IchiHime fandom is just as bad as IchiRuki.

The pairing fandom is there. However, I don’t go around bashing Rukia’s <--You don't?character or put so much of mockery on IchiKiai pairing itself. If I could, I would love to do it on Ichigo, not Rukia, so as to gain support for AizenxOrihime pairing.

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

I don't even want to respond to this as the characters you chose are such a massive departure to both Ichigo and Rukia. I'll post a comparison shot later.

And OD, if you really ARE just a Ichigo fangirl, you wouldn't give a rats ass about this debate. The only thing you should care about is how many red stripes he have on his hollow mask. Stop bullshitting and admit you're a IchiRukia shipper.

And I'm not talking about a complete role reversal. I'm saying that if Inoue never had feelings for Ichigo, that she's just another comrade like everyone else where you never go into her feelings and what not, and instead keep Rukia with all her quirks and story, but add Inoue's feelings to it, and I know you'll be fapping to it.

HT how much sense does that make? If we keep the story, quirks and Rukia. We didn't change much. I don't need to add Inoue's feelings Rukia has her own!

For the love of GOD! What's wrong with you people?!

I am going to say this one more goddamn time!

I used to like Orihime just as much as I do Rukia. I was almost a demon. I read the goddamn manga and her personality made me hate her. (But I like her with Ulq)

Ichigo is my FAVORITE! If you wouldn't ignored most of my posts HT you would have seen me say...I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ROOT FOR. I find this intriguing because IchiRuki as plain as the nose on your face. It boggles my mind that people cannot see the obvious. What's more than obvious is the fact that Inoue's feelings have not been and will not be reciprocated. I hate her character BUT I NEVER SAW HER AS A THREAT. I debate because...I LIKE TO DEBATE!!! And I am trying to understand how people could think she has a chance. It's mind blowing. I don't feel sorry for her because in life EVERYONE YOU LOVE IS NOT GOING TO LOVE YOU BACK.

If you look at it realistically if they did hook-up his friendship with Rukia would cause problems. So it ain't happening

@Asam..<--Want to add extra "S" really bad.Don't be an a**!

You like Orihime;I don't. it's my prerogative! For what ever reasons I have...They are MY REASONS! Which is because she turned into an obsessive, whiny, stalker, who waits around for Ichigo. I dislike weak women! I am not a weak woman (Translation: If you fuck with me ...I will not hesitate to kick your ass!)

My OTP has nothing to do with it! If she were a threat...I'd say so. Like this"Damn you emo-boy, GO AWAY! So Kaname can have Yuki" <--See that, Zero is a threat to my OTP. So I hate his guts!!

I can malign her character all I want. ...News Flash She isn't real. It did not hurt her feelings.
It's not for you to decide why I should hate a character. It's up to me

Now I don't think about Rukia unless she's with Ichigo and when I list my favorite characters. I only list the guys (Because I am straight) I like their relationship but if it was just Ichigo...I wouldn't mind at all.

If Ichigo does get with Inoue, it would not be believable. Logic points to IchiRuki (Asam I change names too but IchiKia is just plain ugly) ending. You don't have to like it...But it's true. Name-calling just makes you appear stupid if your gonna to do...Try and makes sense while you are doing it.

You shouldn't make assumptions...I am person that can like a song but hate the artist and totally separate the two. I dislike Inoue for Inoue. I like IchiRuki for IchiRuki. One has nothing to with other. Inoue in my opinion does not and never has, had the chance at Ichigo's heart.


Why is so hard to believe I could actually just dislike her character? Just because you find her cute, doesn't mean everyone does.

[Amirali]

Originally Posted by Amy corE

Simply...you are a girl...you are more interested in Ichigo's happiness and character...not in his mask only, srsly.

Stereotype and chauvinist assumption alert! Many girls fall into that category of just enjoying the action, and many guys like to look at what makes a character happy. The implication otherwise (and I may be misreading it) is a little disconcerting....
Anyway, hilarious as HT's mask comment was, OD cares about more than the mask colours..... as do many guys.

Ahem, but other than that nitpick, I enjoyed your creation of categories. I certainly know which I would fall into .

[Ametatsu]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

@Amets, apparently you think differently than I do about going after someone you like. Confidence and persistence is key. If the person is single, keep trying, and if the person is not single, its ok to still love him/her, you can't force yourself out of love, its impossible and quite possibly unhealthy. Who knows maybe he/she will end up breaking up with his/her current boy/girlfriend. Orihime has no valid reason to give up Ichigo and that is a fact. As long as Ichigo maintain his ambiguous nature, and standard shonen lead cluelessness, she still has a chance, theres no concrete proof to prove otherwise.
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Yes, confidence is key...confidence Orihime doesn't HAVE right now. If she was acting confident and persistent and actively pursuing him and confessing her love when he was awake and could hear, I wouldn't have a problem. My problem is with the fact that she's just making herself miserable by loving him and never doing anything about it.
I know it's not easy to force yourself out of love. But if you're never going to ask them out, or if you do and they turn you down...look, I spent three years seriously crushing on this one guy, and I'm a complete dork around guys I like, so I never managed to do anything other than make myself look like a complete idiot around him, and make him less and less likely to go out with me and myself more and more upset. If you're the sort of person that does that (and it looks to me like a lot of the time Orihime IS), the best thing you can do is do your darndest to get over him, even if it is impossible.

Originally Posted by kakashi-san

facepalm
It's because she doesn't like Orihime and likes Rukia. That's the reason everyone has a preference, because they prefer one girl over another. So Ichigo-fan girls exagerate and think they have everyone under their 'complete hypnosis' that they love Ichigo and no one else. Why would they do something like this you say? Because it makes them seem less bias and more objective. As if Hime shippers are being delusional with their Orihime love. While we are in some ways so are Rukia shippers, you're no better then us. Except you pretend to love Ichigo and whatever Ichigo loves - in this case it must be Rukia therefore you're IchiRuki. Get in your head that you love Rukia more then Ichigo. The only exception being OD, but she still loves Rukia, just not as much as Ichigo. Otherwise she wouldn't say such foolish things as IshiHime have a better chance then IchiHime. And IchiHime sounds too much like IshiHime. But then they frown upon everything we say as retarded. This is a general statement but their are exceptions and you know who you are.

We're all delusional, it comes with the shipping territory *hands out rose-tinted ship glasses to everybody* IchiHime, IchiRuki, UlquiHime, IshiHime, RenRuki...we all have some level of delusion going on.

And as far as the preference issue goes, you probably are quite justified, a lot of the time. It's not as clear-cut as you make out, though. Some people genuinely ARE Ichigo fans and think Rukia is his girl. I've encountered some who fangirl Ichigo and think the same about Orihime.

I do think though that I personally like both of them pretty much equally.
And don't jump on that and say that I'm lying and prefer Rukia because I'm an IchiRuki shipper.
Even if I do prefer Rukia out of the girls, as boys go, I prefer Ishida...and my OTP? Is not IchiRuki.
ISHIHIME FTW First Bleach ship. Still my favourite, though I ship IchiRuki pretty hard as well.
(Foolish things! It's not a foolish thing! They have much better interaction and a healthier relationship than Ichigo and Orihime.)

I agree, the ship names are too close...

[Amirali]

Originally Posted by Ametatsu

If you're the sort of person that does that (and it looks to me like a lot of the time Orihime IS), the best thing you can do is do your darndest to get over him, even if it is impossible.

I see where you're coming from, but she's not going to get any closure while so much has still been unsaid. Whether one is IchiHime or even IchiRuki.......for things to move on, she has to eventually reveal her feelings to Ichigo. That might lead to rejection, or it might lead to romance but it has to happen before we can think about whether it's time for her to forget him or not.

Originally Posted by Ametatsu

We're all delusional, it comes with the shipping territory *hands out rose-tinted ship glasses to everybody* IchiHime, IchiRuki, UlquiHime, IshiHime, RenRuki...we all have some level of delusion going on.
I agree, the ship names are too close...

The ship names are too close, and they always have a guy's name at the start. It's irritating. How about these names:

Rukia with Ichigo : Rukichi
Orihime with Ichigo: Himego
Orihime with Ishida : Orihida

I enjoyed your post Ametatsu. Always good to hear a soothing voice when the flames of discord rise up around here. And you managed to convey why you ship what you do in one of your very first posts. Not many people manage that.

[asam_laksa]

Isn't it obvious? It wouldn't be ranting about how bad Orihime is incomparable<--So you think she's incomparable? I didn't say that you did. to Rukia(jealous, weak, unequal, emo), her lackings, <---Funny Orihime lovers say the same thing about Rukia

therefore for sure Ichigo is going to pick Rukia over Orihime<--Er...No.We say that because they actually have a relationship. We don't pick one-sided moments or dreams because Ichigo was on the same page. we see them as a pairing. . .

Like as if Kubo Tite would do that,<--He did. making one female character to be better thanthe other female character, just for the sake of true pairing.

You really love twisting other people's words, don't you BleachOD?

I dare you, find any of my posts where I say something bad about Rukia as a character, bashing her that warrants the reason why Kubo Tite is going for IchiHime, just because Rukia is so much more inferior than Orihime.

Somethings that are equivalently like this.....the bolded ones

@Asam..<--Want to add extra "S" really bad.Don't be an a**!

You like Orihime;I don't. it's my prerogative! For what ever reasons I have...They are MY REASONS! Which is because she turned into an obsessive, whiny, stalker, who waits around for Ichigo. I dislike weak women! I am not a weak women (Translation: If you fuck with me ...I will not hesitate to kick your ass!)

Unless you consider people who show that Ichigo being very inconsiderate and insensitive to Rukia for his sake, as really anti-Rukia people.....and also those who don't pair Rukia with Ichigo to be anti-Rukia people.

Real anti-Rukia fans wouldn't pair up Rukia with Renji at all. In fact they would rather see her single, or at least with Ichigo, whom they know that he treats her (Rukia) the same manner he would treat other males; Keigo, Ishida, Renji, Byakuya, etc.

And in return.....

Spoiler for :

And I'll tell you the secret why Kubo Tite and the anime are leaning more towards RenRuki than IchiKiai.......and like Orihime's character that is tied to the old Tanabata's legend.........Rukia's and Renji's characters are tied together to another famous old love which strictly belonged to the Japanese mythology.

I ship RenRuki because their old love story is very touching, and Kubo Tite really outdid himself the way he create RenRuki.

I think I mentioned earlier, that....

Originally Posted by asam_laksa

If anything, I think Kubo Tite likes Rukia a lot to want to pair her with Renji.

That only means, I knew what I was talking about.

Which is why I've mentioned, I don't dislike IchiKiai pairing as much as I dislike IchiHime pairing.

I hate IchiHime pairing, not the fandom........ unlike IchiKiai pairing, which I only like the pairing, but not the fandom.<--You are saying anything...it all boils down to you hate IchiRuki. IchiHime fandom is just as bad as IchiRuki.

Pairing and fandom are two different thing. And aren't you generalizing? At least, in my case, I had been very specific.......zealot IchiKiai fans who bash Orihime's character; I don't go around saying that IchiKiai fandom is just as bad as IchiHime fandom.

Won't you pinpoint someone, an IchiHime fan who is as bad as you and let others to judge?

Even if it is 'I can do anything that I wish, bashing included'......I wouldn't go bashing Rukia, the way you do it, because I know Kubo Tite never had that mind on Orihime, or Rukia when he did create them first.

I can only make fun of those 'zealot, hard-core IchiKiai fans' by turning their posts against them.

Listen everyone......BleachOD had already said it.

Like as if Kubo Tite would do that,<--He did. making one female character to be better thanthe other female character, just for the sake of true pairing.

So, is really IchiKiai debating about 'making Orihime look bad' so as to make IchiKiai a true pairing?

By the way......Amy corE

Inoue's cocktail was...admiration, faith, liking, fangirling, care. Right now it's: fear, lack of faith, blindness, confusion.
Nah, she does not love him. She should move on. This will be much better to her character. And, yeah, Bleach is not a Disney's fairytale.

Where did you get that from, the bolded ones?

Ruki-fan reading Bleach: "She is strong, brave and beautiful. She and Ichigo have a great foundation and chemistry. They are awesome together. Damn, she is his "Rotator"! One word - CANON!"

I won't say I hate saying this.......You missed one thing.....Rukia mentioned 'We', plural when referring to the term 'Rotator'

So, that means she's not his rotator only.......there are others who act as rotators as well, not just Rukia. You really cannot use that as a proof that IchiKiai pairing as a canon pairing.

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by amirali1985

Stereotype and chauvinist assumption alert! Many girls fall into that category of just enjoying the action, and many guys like to look at what makes a character happy. The implication otherwise (and I may be misreading it) is a little disconcerting....
Anyway, hilarious as HT's mask comment was, OD cares about more than the mask colours..... as do many guys.

Ahem, but other than that nitpick, I enjoyed your creation of categories. I certainly know which I would fall into .

Actually you are both right. I am guilty of extremes bouts of girlishness and will make decisions based on that. I am also a sucker for Romance.

I like Bleach for Ichigo, the action, the story and the ROMANCE.
I am for the most part a tomboy. So usually I am with the guys.
I do care about the stripes. He has nine...

Most of the time, I root for the one has been there all along. However their are times when I say, "Fuck that. You had the chance. You blew it"
And root for the newcomer. Absolute Boyfriend is the only time I couldn't decide. (Everyone gets what they want in the end.)

With Ichigo and Rukia. There was no choice it's right there in my face. HT I am an IchiRuki shipper. (Wow. You missed that?) I say it all the time. But my reasons are because They have a relationship a real one. And KT has been beating ME in the head for that past what 6 -7 years. With poems, chapters(The sand" *Rukia is called "The Rotator") Character books (SOULs) Ichigo himself, saying "Rukia stopped the Rain" Her thinking about him, last and larger in life than anyone else in the two times she was near-death. Him behaving uncharacteristically towards her. Hello's and Goodbyes" Ones in which BOTH participants were fully conscious.

How can I not, be IchiRuki? Now just because I like it, doesn't mean I expect everyone to. But when they say "I don't see it" blows my mind. Amazing! So my curiosity to know and understand leads me to this thread....

It has nothing to do with preferring Rukia over Orihime. I used to feel her pain, but I don't like how she goes about it. She just makes me

See the thing is...I could still not like her, but if she made up on half of a couple I could totally see happening. I would ship that couple and hate her ass at the same time. Her relationship with Ichigo is virtually non-existent. She learned all things about him by proxy. Not shared like it is with Rukia. She's too damn obsessive. That's not healthy. Now if they start connecting and laying down a relationship and I think they have a real chance. I will say so.

You really love twisting other people's words, don't you BleachOD?

I consider it translation

I never said Orihime is incomparable to Rukia. As a matter a fact I keep saying You have to compare the two. That is how you see Orihime ends up with the short end of the Ichigo stick.
For you to assume I think she's incomparable, means you had to be thinking it too or else it would never have crossed your mind.

He did ...meant KT does make it obvious he prefers one pair over the other.

Another thing.. you are trying to get too ill, you are the only one who has been generalizing. You shouldn't make assumptions and call me OD. Drop the BLEACH!

Next time address me as OD...