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If Lacus is really confident that she's speaking for everyone, she would've pulled a people power against Dully.
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2008-06-03, 10:57 | Link #263 | |||
Hayate sama no Tame ni!!!
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2008-06-03, 11:48 | Link #264 |
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Sheesh, some people just want Lacus to be "ebil" whilst she is not. She is pure as snow. We all know that. And some of us hate her for that :P
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2008-06-03, 23:57 | Link #266 |
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She fought to bring a peace treaty which states that N-Jammer Cancellors are banned from mobile suits and then she repairs the Freedom which is in direct violation of the treaty. And then a war breaks out between between EA and ZAFT and she contributes nothing to bringing it to an end. hi5 Lacus .
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2008-06-04, 00:48 | Link #267 |
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I am a HUGE Kira X Lacus fan supporter or whatever you want to call it -- I consider them one of the best anime couples of all time, but this is besides the point. Their character is definitely outrageous, ESPECIALLY Lacus. It's all super unrealistic and very impossible for such characters, BUT I guess I have to remember this is an anime for generally the youth. Young leaders / heroes who are cute and in their teens and wield tremendous power is a huge attraction to most of anime audience because it's something like a dream / fantasy they wish to live themselves. So, to sum it up, they're characters I love but drive me insane at the same time......... interpret it as you wish.
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2008-06-04, 02:21 | Link #268 | |
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2) The fact that she fought for peace does not mean she supported the N-Jammer Canceller ban. Maybe she did not have a voice here at all or it was not obeyed this time. When the ashes of war fade, the big-heads get big-headed again and whilst they may've listened to Lacus in the heat of the battle, they sure could deny her words once they feel secure and all powerful again. ThoHell - yes, it is superunrealistic and almost impossible but I see nothing that I'd find irritating here. Never searched for superrealism in Gundams, unlike others. |
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2008-06-04, 10:33 | Link #269 |
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1) I think the anime mentioned that there would be no more nuclear weapons or anything of that sort and THIS defines the Junius 7 Treaty. 2) What? She went against a major treaty, and saying that she did not support the N Jammer Canceller ban is such... This is kinda outrageous eh. How could you even trust someone who'd break a MAJOR treaty to fight for "peace"? She could do that to the people who believe her, you know. I mean, she just violated a treaty wherein it was banning the nuclear weapons she went up against in the last Jachin Due War. Sheesh. @ Anh_Minh 1) Oh, but that by itself is REALLY suspicious. She can't be doing anything of that sort cauyse she'll invite suspicion over to what she was doing. Besides, didn't Lacus "resign" from doing anything after the last war in SEED? Terminal et al were only identified and put into place when the plot called for it. She didn't have a valid reason to rebuild the Freedom cause it doesn't MAKE sense. She wasn't being prepared. It was just Morosawa being Morosawa again. 2) I'm all for averting genocide part. But that didn't mean that even if she won, she could get away with it scot free. She was going against a legitimate rule of Patrick Zala, something wherein everything could all go wrong. She stole the Freedom and the Eternal (whatever you say, it's still stealing), which were high class military weapons of ZAFT, then used those weapons against them. She wasn't being smart or prepared again, she was just simply being the plothole character that she is - she can do those things because she SIMPLY can. Can you even do that on your own, hijacking top military secret weapons then use it against people you don't like? I am not sure if the US president's children could get away with something like that. She can be Clyne's daughter, but Clyne cannot actually use his name in giving access to people using SUCH weapons. I think I forgot if Siegel Clyne abhorred the use of those weapons that was why Patrick Zala had him killed so he could use them straightaway. But even so, simply waltzing into a military hangar then giving the Freedom to Kira...LOL Lacus, just LOL. 3) Corazon Aquino would like to have a word with you. She was just a widow of a famous pro-democracy senator here in the Philippines, but the people were very tired of the dictatorial Marcos regime that they supported her willingness to take on the challenge by Marcos, even if she was reluctant to take on that power at first. Then all the people supported her and launched the a people power that overthrew the dictatorial regime without shedding unnecessary bloodshed. I think this people power that Corazon Aquino was part of was also what inspired the Fall of the Berlin Wall. 4) What? 5) Meer is also a plothole devised for Lacus. 6) Cagalli's abduction was masterminded by Kira.
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Wars using this method are not also secure because, well, it was formed in force and forcefully put an ideal or a belief that the people at that time would be most receptive to, because they didn't like what happened in the previous regime, as in the PLANT/ Earth case, they are already tired of a war and everything could be better as long as they don't have to follow this regime again. Let's say that the coup/rebellion was successful. Of course, as you say, they will employ the nucleus of a new government. Temporary government of course until everything's settled down. But even as they do so, there would be in-fighting with these elements because - let's also say - they only supported the rebellion because they knew that they would be heroes after the war and so they could do anything that they want in exchange for that support. They could form a government which the people would find not what they dreamed would happen in spite of the promises that the rebel faction has agreed to do once they are in power. So aside from the basic in-fighting among themselves, the people would be disillusioned with them too, and this could lead to discontent and another full scale war, until the cycle begins again and again and again. The problem with what Lacus did is that she only took care of the present threats at that time and she didn't look beyond the possibilities which could lead to another war. Terminal? Factory? They only took care of the present threats in SEED and Destiny, and helped Cagalli in trying to cover up the fact that the Seirans were part of LOGOS. LOL. If Cagalli/ Orb was very much into stopping the war, they could've easily handed the Seirans over to Dully, but no, they chose to hide that fact or tried to protect the Seirans, and because Lacus would lose a valuable ally she could use in the Earth sphere, she went along with Cagalli's decision to try arrest or persecute the Seirans on their own terms. Taking out the forces of the war could do nothing in the face of ensuring that the PLANTs/ Earth could have lasting peace; they have to take out the causes by the roots. Lacus only serves to fuel the disgruntled insurgents further and further into hating her completely because she only dares to take out the forces and has not even done anything to take care of the real cause of the war - the hatred between the Coordinators and the Naturals. In fact, after what she did in the last 2 wars, she only served to widen the gulf between the 2 of them. What could she bring about as being the "mediator" of the PLANTs and the Earth sphere? What could the EA possibly do knowing full well that Lacus is backed by her 3 loyal Knights, Orb, Terminal and Factory? She could most likely scare them into doing what she wants. And forcing people into doing what they don't want is another cause of frustration for them. See what Lacus is trying to paint here 4Tran? Quote:
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