Fate/stay night Episode 7 Discussion thread

[evil-samurai]

lol I burst out laughing when Shirou went off like that at first I thought no you couldn't could you? but yep there goes Shirou again the episode was alright..., will be interesting to see how Shirou reacts next time to danger in the same situation.

Well I'm really liking Sakura character, though i've tried to ignore the crap people keep on talking about with Kaede, and the so obvious! hints! from people that have played the game :/ Sakura is really interesting so far with the little time she has had on screen at first I didn't think much of her, but just that look she gave Rin a while ago told alot more about her character, now I really! want to see more of her ^^

[Mentar]

Orion: Huh? ^_^;

Originally Posted by orion

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Do you think that we will get to know why Rin and Sakura aren't on good standing with each other and why Sakura isn't in the same house as Rin?(Ep. 1, Issei said that they were sisters. Ep. 7, Shirou asks her if Shinji came home. Rin is not Shinji's sister and no one else has been shown in Rin's mansion yet. When her father left, he only said good-bye to Rin and handed the magic book to her. So that means that Sakura is in the same house as Shinji.)

Spoiler:

Er.. no on both accounts?

First of all, Issei never said anything about Rin and Sakura being sisters, not in ep1 or at other opportunities. When was that supposed to be?

Also, Shirou never asked Rin about Shinji's whereabouts, he asked _Sakura_ if he had come home yet. Which is perfectly normal, because we know from Shirou's monologue in ep2 that he was Sakura's brother.

I mean, I don't know the game and you may still be right about them being sisters or something, but so far there have been no clues about that. Only the fact that Rin is addressing Sakura as "Sakura", her first name without honorifics. VERY unusual for someone like Rin, so they have to know each other very well. On the other hand, Sakura addresses her as Tohsaka-senpai. Also, it's obvious that the both of them act very peculiar around each other...

[orion]

Actually....

Spoiler:

In ep. 1, I thought that I heard Issei referred to Rin as the "other Tohsaka" when Shirou was looking at her(Rin) in the hallway. The "her" I was referring to in ep. 7 comment was Sakura. Sorry for the confusion. Besides in ep 7 Rin refers to Sakura as "Sakura". Sakura refers to Rin as "Tohsaka-sempai". I get the impression that the relationship is weird and/or strained. (Not because they both like Shirou.)

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Spoiler:

I mean, I don't know the game and you may still be right about them being sisters or something, but so far there have been no clues about that. Only the fact that Rin is addressing Sakura as "Sakura", her first name without honorifics. VERY unusual for someone like Rin, so they have to know each other very well. On the other hand, Sakura addresses her as Tohsaka-senpai. Also, it's obvious that the both of them act very peculiar around each other...

Spoiler:

They're not sister, they just know each other from when they were young.. and thats all i'll say on the matter.

[TehKev]

I have to say, the ending of this episode made me chuckle quite a bit.

Just the way Shinji said it is ever so amusing.

I really liked this episode though, though 8 looks like it's gonna be REALLY good judging from the preview.

[JanthraX^]

Originally Posted by TehKev

I have to say, the ending of this episode made me chuckle quite a bit.

Just the way Shinji said it is ever so amusing.

I really liked this episode though, though 8 looks like it's gonna be REALLY good judging from the preview.

looks like there are gonna be quite a few confrontations on the emotional side

[npal]

Oh well, I'll give my impression then

Shirou... Well... that last part about the archery, yes, that was pure stupidity I mean, it was obviously something powerful from his description. I'd have either ran to Tohsaka (most likely option) or if I wanted to go in there that bad, get Saber and go in. I agree with evil-samurai on that one, I actually thought that he was gonna do something else. ALTHOUGH, he did look Rin's way, so he would have called her. It DID cross himself so he's not THAT stupid. Still, why didn't he go and call her is incomprehensible. What did he fear, that this thing would go away? So? Who cares, at least if he had notified Rin, Rin would also be watchful of that. Oh well, as much as I admire Shirou, his actions are difficult to comprehend

Moving on. To all those who said bad things about Kaede and Sakura, may you rot, I'll put a curse on you for all eternity. Kaede/Sakura FTW

Poor Shirou, everyone scolds him in every episode. Not that they are wrong, but it seems like no one understands him at all. Ok, maybe Archer does, but that's not very comforting it seems

[Mr.Hawq]

For me the show right now is lacking in screen time for saber. I dont like watching previews of the next episodes for the show, but i do hope they show more of saber in the next episode.

[demon_god04]

and it looks like Shirou's female boarding house gained a new tenant?

some screenies from the ep preview... because I couldnt resist

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[Shiroth]

Thats some genius work there DG.. i just hope they don't actually happen. ^^;

I'm sure you could think up a good one for Assassin. ^^

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by Angelsama

Thats some genius work there DG.. i just hope they don't actually happen. ^^;

I'm sure you could think up a good one for Assassin. ^^

You sure you dont want to see Rin wearing only an apron?

I dunno the assasin one didnt jump out at me with anything but heres a shot since you asked

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[kari-no-sugata]

Maybe we need a secondary poll for "How baka was Shiro this episode"?

Playing devil's advocate a bit: he had at least suspected Shinji based on the evidence from the previous ep. He did at least look back to see if Rin was still within earshot and think about summoning Saber before "just going to look". He was at least prepared to summon Saber when facing Rider before Shinji appeared saying "Are you sure you want to use one?"

Still, that doesn't really excuse things: if he's going to act like he can perfectly trust Rin when talking with Saber, he should have at least voiced his suspicions of Shinji to Rin. If he was concerned enough to see if Rin was still around or thinking about summoning Saber before going to check, that means he knows he was about to take a big risk - saying "I'm just going to look" doesn't make it any safer.

Hmm. I think a strong undercurrent to the anger at Shiro's stupidity is because it's insulting to Saber. At this rate, she's going to get fat from eating so much and lack of exercise. It'd be funny if she tells Taiga that Shiro's being stupid and taking too many risks to help beat some sense into his head...


Meanwhile, I wonder what Shinji is going to tell Shiro. Is he going to try to persaude Shiro that what Rin said was wrong - that he's not doing anything nasty? It does look like there isn't a fight, so...

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by demon_god04

I dunno the assasin one didnt jump out at me with anything but heres a shot since you asked

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OMG haha, thank you.. thats just genius. ^^

I'm a huge fan of every character in the Fate world, even the very cool Assassin.. and seeing him in the preview like that.. i just jumped out of my seat. So i'm really looking forward to what he'll do, even though he's not a major character to the story.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Angelsama

even though he's not a major character to the story.

Is that true for all paths of the game?

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by Pellissier

For the rest, I liked a lot all of the Rin sequences, and also the funny moments at the beginning with the hungry Saber, I didn't read all the thread, anyway I assume that she had to eat that much because she spent a lot of energies the day before in order to heal Shirou's wound, correct?

Actually it's only a theory about Saber healing Shirou's wound...

[Guido]

The music continues to immerse me into the Fate world and delves the angst and mute horror for the misdeeds of the Masters and Servants that ferociously desire to win the Holy Grail at all costs.

I'm still not used with the animation concerning some excessive bright scenes, and the staff could have worked with the colors since looked bland for my taste in this episode.

Overall, I got quite some plot movement and character tribulation for Rin.

There's quite some stirring going on in Rin's mind for Shirou. Right when Shirou explained that met with Sakura and went to clear the misunderstanding, Rin turned mute and her eyes stare reflexive to Shirou.

But everything is cute for Rin to me, including expressing contempt for Shirou not having met her at the rooftop to the agreed time.

As I said before, the music was most responsible to understanding the development for the episode.

My favorite tracks played during the following scenes were:
1. Sakura's misunderstanding for Shirou when Rin came
2. Shirou getting the evil vibes at the school gate
3. Issei berating Shirou for staying closer to Rin
4. The conversation that Rin and Shirou had about the sealed marks
5. Shirou and Rin tracking and destroying the sealed marks. IMO the music track played during that scene was the best one for me as is a symphonic rendition of the song played at the episode's prologue and the next episode's preview.

But I cannot gulp Shirou's flat stupidity and lack of common sense to venture into the archery dojo alone, randomly believing that he's capable to check upon the abnormal surge of energy that he felt there.
Not even he carries a cell phone to communicate with Rin and request her to rush to the school because of the presence he felt. Damn, he's naively idiot and begging to be killed.

Saber remarked that issue to Shirou at the start of this episode and even berated him for his lack of prudence and communication.
But I do not get how did Saber found out what happened to Shirou in the previous episode?

Shirou has to understand that none of the remainder master's cares a sh** about thought for outsiders and fair game. It's war out there and all of them are working proactively, keeping the eyes on for other Masters to make the move and taking advantage of their enemies' failures.

Shirou has to become more proactive and vigilant of the master's actions.

[tyciol]

I would like to talk about a scene that is featured in the opening to episode 7. This is a discussion relevant to the episode 6 thread as well, but since it is featured so concisely here, I noticed it here whereas I did not notice it watching episode six. It's just easier this way since I don't have to worry about spoilers or force people to jump around a lot, for people who have trouble skipping ahead to later parts of episodes to check.

During the recap, starting at 0:13-0:19.

This just seems to me like one of those 'Stupid Shiro' moments. His injury is in his forearm. This is going to affect mobility in your hand, wrist, and elbow.

In response to the question "any pain" he 'slightly' bends his elbow... and then just moves it back and forth at the SHOULDER. He doesn't flex or extend his wrist or elbow, open and close his hand, nor does he pronate or supinate his forearm. These would be the things you should be testing for if you received a knife through the wrist. He could very well still be injured (and appeared to be) and could have felt pain from moving in those ways.

I know quite well that when you're stabbed through the forearm (as I was recently a few times, albeit smaller wounds from venipuncture/catheter) that you have perfectly fine range of motion in your shoulder. What shirou was doing would be something you'd do to see if you were injured in the pectorals or rhomboinds. Like, for example, when Lancer had stabbed him earlier.

Even if we can forgive Shiro that ignorance, you would think Rin would notice that what he's doing is stupid and say "no shiro try moving this way".

Neither of them have any knowledge of physiology.

[OceanBlue]

Looks like Studio DEEN goofed.
It feels awkward posting such a small post after a larger one with good discussion points, but....

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by tyciol

I would like to talk about a scene that is featured in the opening to episode 7. This is a discussion relevant to the episode 6 thread as well, but since it is featured so concisely here, I noticed it here whereas I did not notice it watching episode six. It's just easier this way since I don't have to worry about spoilers or force people to jump around a lot, for people who have trouble skipping ahead to later parts of episodes to check.

During the recap, starting at 0:13-0:19.

This just seems to me like one of those 'Stupid Shiro' moments. His injury is in his forearm. This is going to affect mobility in your hand, wrist, and elbow.

In response to the question "any pain" he 'slightly' bends his elbow... and then just moves it back and forth at the SHOULDER. He doesn't flex or extend his wrist or elbow, open and close his hand, nor does he pronate or supinate his forearm. These would be the things you should be testing for if you received a knife through the wrist. He could very well still be injured (and appeared to be) and could have felt pain from moving in those ways.

I know quite well that when you're stabbed through the forearm (as I was recently a few times, albeit smaller wounds from venipuncture/catheter) that you have perfectly fine range of motion in your shoulder. What shirou was doing would be something you'd do to see if you were injured in the pectorals or rhomboinds. Like, for example, when Lancer had stabbed him earlier.

Even if we can forgive Shiro that ignorance, you would think Rin would notice that what he's doing is stupid and say "no shiro try moving this way".

Neither of them have any knowledge of physiology.

Magicians in T-Moon are always capable of modifying their own body to move even if they're injured...Shion, an alchemist in another T-Moon story, is capable of moving her own body with her magic after all her muscles have been damaged, maybe the mages are so focused on such abilities they absolutely forgot about their physics lesson...or maybe they didn't take them at all...