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Jays · 2008-06-25, 15:38

I'd still like to see Raiden in the future, but I wonder how much his body has become incompasitated by his surgeries and so forth. Still I like the guy, hopefully if they have another Metal Gear game, he'll be a big player in it.

kujoe · 2008-06-25, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Kagedanji

^ John? More like her Hawaiian friend.

Well, I doubt her Hawaiian friend will be part of some military organization. He's just there to show how Sunny is coping with new experiences in the outside world.

No, wait, screw that. That isn't some chance meeting at all. The kid probably has something to do with the last remnants of the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo.

SkoolRumble4Ya · 2008-06-25, 17:06

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Originally Posted by kenjiharima

John(Raiden's son) X Sunny in the future?

If ever Snake is still there he might be like Batman Beyond Bruce Wayne guiding the next generation of Metal Gear heroes...or maybe not...

I got a feeling Metal Gear Solid 5 will do a timeskip maybe make a room for the younger generations. I just hope the main character is a badass not some wimp.

slayer · 2008-06-25, 17:37

New cast would have a negative reception same as how raiden appeared in mgs2..

mgs 5 would and probably would be frank jager ohhh yeahh.. or something with bigboss or boss.

maybe a remake of the old metal gears..

King Lycan · 2008-06-25, 17:52

Look at this Reveiw

kujoe · 2008-06-25, 17:56

An MGS game starring the Boss set in WWII would be interesting.

I think there's a lot of potential with that angle. A story involving the Philosophers, some weird Nazi experiments, and the formation of the awesome Cobra Unit.

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Originally Posted by Kagedanji

I just now realized, Big Boss was also John.

Wait, wasn't it Jack?

kenjiharima · 2008-06-25, 19:26

Jack - wht The Boss calls him(The Joy the Boss real name)

John Doe - he said to Para Medic he's real name was and Ocelot.

Naked Snake - code name given to him for his mission

Big Boss - as we all know he killed The Boss that's why his called Big Boss

Kagedanji · 2008-06-25, 20:36

The MGS4 Database also says John, I believe. Maybe Jack. Check the timeline where The Boss trains him. This would also explain why the proxy AI is named John Doe. At first I thought it was a joke to Para-Medic, but maybe it's true that it's his name...

kenjiharima · 2008-06-26, 08:54

Ocelot - We are men, we have real names. My name is ADAMSKA and you are?

Naked Snake - John...

Kagedanji · 2008-06-26, 15:24

Ocelot - Heh. Plain name.

kenjiharima · 2008-06-26, 15:32

Wonder what's all with the Jack and John names...

Jack - Raiden
Jack - Big Boss
John - Big Boss
John - Raiden's son

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kujoe · 2008-06-26, 15:58

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Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Ocelot - We are men, we have real names. My name is ADAMSKA and you are?

Naked Snake - John...

I don't know... He probably says that to mislead Ocelot.

In the MG wiki, Big Boss's real name (the first one anyway) is Jack. When you tie this with the fact that Raiden's name is also Jack, then MGS2 makes more sense.

From the Boss' entry:

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The Boss was known as The Joy, named as such for the great joy she took in fighting for her country. In addition, it was around this time that The Boss first met Major Zero and Jack - the latter of which would become her disciple and develop CQC with her. After training and raising Jack as her disciple, she abandoned him without a trace on a top-secret mission.

Clicking on "Jack" will lead you to the page of Naked Snake/Big Boss.

kenjiharima · 2008-06-26, 16:16

^
Pretty cool info there. I always refer to the game itself info and manuals rather than the in deph ones.

So is it true that the one with the dominant genes is Liquid and not Solid Snake?

kujoe · 2008-06-26, 16:22

Regardless of who really has the dominant genes (in MGS it was revealed that Liquid has them), they're still both flawed. As we already know, Solidus is the perfect clone of Big Boss.

Kagedanji · 2008-06-26, 16:37

There were two different views of the gene theory.

Snake = recessive, while Liquid = dominant, making Snake the inferior one

or

Snake = dominant, while Liquid = recessive, and the recessive gene has the soldier gene, making Snake the inferior one.

SkoolRumble4Ya · 2008-06-26, 18:15

Solidus is the perfect clone but he still got pwn by Raiden.

kujoe · 2008-06-26, 18:32

Yes, that's true. Raiden definitely gets bad ass cred for pulling that off. I guess Big Boss and his "sons' shouldn't be wielding swords in the first place. No wonder Solid Snake gives the katana to Raiden.

The Big Boss may be legendary, but after the events of MGS4 it's my opinion that Solid Snake exemplifies the ideals of the Boss the best.

Loyalty, up to the very end.

SkoolRumble4Ya · 2008-06-26, 19:06

Ever since Raiden appear in MGS4 I think he can kill all the mgs characters. This guy is just too strong.

Kagedanji · 2008-06-26, 22:13

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Originally Posted by kujoe

Yes, that's true. Raiden definitely gets bad ass cred for pulling that off. I guess Big Boss and his "sons' shouldn't be wielding swords in the first place. No wonder Solid Snake gives the katana to Raiden.

The Big Boss may be legendary, but after the events of MGS4 it's my opinion that Solid Snake exemplifies the ideals of the Boss the best.

Loyalty, up to the very end.

The hell? Liquid, Solidus, Ocelot, and Naomi were more loyal than Snake. He opposed Big Boss, for boss's god's sake. Did you beat the game?

kujoe · 2008-06-26, 23:01

Of course I did.

It looks like you misunderstood me. I was referring to Snake continuing to fight on, despite the odds, to his very death knowing what he was doing was the right thing—for personal reasons, and ultimately, for his country.

Heck, Ocelot is too machiavellian that Naomi had to go behind his back and save what she thought deserved preserving in the system. And there's still the question if Eva really knew what has been going behind Ocelot and his Liquid personality.

There are many shades of gray in the story, but there are only a few characters whom you can properly label as "heroes" in the truest sense of the word. Generally, they're all a bunch of anti-heroes in my opinion.

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2008-06-25, 19:26	Link #167
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	Jack - wht The Boss calls him(The Joy the Boss real name) John Doe - he said to Para Medic he's real name was and Ocelot. Naked Snake - code name given to him for his mission Big Boss - as we all know he killed The Boss that's why his called Big Boss __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2008-06-25, 20:36	Link #168
Kagedanji Doughy goodness. I think. Join Date: Mar 2008	The MGS4 Database also says John, I believe. Maybe Jack. Check the timeline where The Boss trains him. This would also explain why the proxy AI is named John Doe. At first I thought it was a joke to Para-Medic, but maybe it's true that it's his name... __________________

2008-06-26, 08:54	Link #169
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	Ocelot - We are men, we have real names. My name is ADAMSKA and you are? Naked Snake - John... __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2008-06-26, 15:24	Link #170
Kagedanji Doughy goodness. I think. Join Date: Mar 2008	Ocelot - Heh. Plain name. __________________

2008-06-25, 15:38	Link #161
Jays Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hockey Nation	I'd still like to see Raiden in the future, but I wonder how much his body has become incompasitated by his surgeries and so forth. Still I like the guy, hopefully if they have another Metal Gear game, he'll be a big player in it.

2008-06-25, 17:37	Link #164
slayer essense Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto	New cast would have a negative reception same as how raiden appeared in mgs2.. mgs 5 would and probably would be frank jager ohhh yeahh.. or something with bigboss or boss. maybe a remake of the old metal gears..

2008-06-26, 15:32	Link #171
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	Wonder what's all with the Jack and John names... Jack - Raiden Jack - Big Boss John - Big Boss John - Raiden's son Spoiler: Jack - the Jack of all trades. JOHN RAMBO LOL!!! __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2008-06-26, 16:16	Link #173
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	^ Pretty cool info there. I always refer to the game itself info and manuals rather than the in deph ones. So is it true that the one with the dominant genes is Liquid and not Solid Snake? __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2008-06-26, 16:22	Link #174
kujoe from head to heel Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 42	Regardless of who really has the dominant genes (in MGS it was revealed that Liquid has them), they're still both flawed. As we already know, Solidus is the perfect clone of Big Boss.

2008-06-26, 16:37	Link #175
Kagedanji Doughy goodness. I think. Join Date: Mar 2008	There were two different views of the gene theory. Snake = recessive, while Liquid = dominant, making Snake the inferior one or Snake = dominant, while Liquid = recessive, and the recessive gene has the soldier gene, making Snake the inferior one. __________________

2008-06-26, 18:15	Link #176
SkoolRumble4Ya Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California	Solidus is the perfect clone but he still got pwn by Raiden.

2008-06-26, 18:32	Link #177
kujoe from head to heel Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 42	Yes, that's true. Raiden definitely gets bad ass cred for pulling that off. I guess Big Boss and his "sons' shouldn't be wielding swords in the first place. No wonder Solid Snake gives the katana to Raiden. The Big Boss may be legendary, but after the events of MGS4 it's my opinion that Solid Snake exemplifies the ideals of the Boss the best. Loyalty, up to the very end.

2008-06-26, 19:06	Link #178
SkoolRumble4Ya Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California	Ever since Raiden appear in MGS4 I think he can kill all the mgs characters. This guy is just too strong.

2008-06-26, 23:01	Link #180
kujoe from head to heel Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 42	Of course I did. It looks like you misunderstood me. I was referring to Snake continuing to fight on, despite the odds, to his very death knowing what he was doing was the right thing—for personal reasons, and ultimately, for his country. Heck, Ocelot is too machiavellian that Naomi had to go behind his back and save what she thought deserved preserving in the system. And there's still the question if Eva really knew what has been going behind Ocelot and his Liquid personality. There are many shades of gray in the story, but there are only a few characters whom you can properly label as "heroes" in the truest sense of the word. Generally, they're all a bunch of anti-heroes in my opinion. Last edited by kujoe; 2008-06-26 at 23:17.