2008-08-10, 19:50 | Link #1722 |
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Only because American doctors can charge an arm and a leg for their services. Doctors elsewhere make much less so all the good ones go to America. If they got payment from the government, then their prices wont vary much. Then the talent pool will spread out and you wont see the focking you have before.
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2008-08-10, 23:04 | Link #1723 | |
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Anyone else laugh when McCain's group calls out Obama on "flip-flopping?" I mean, he does. But, McCain is the almighty KING of it. This cracks me up. It also makes me wonder if intelligence (and Charisma), not experience, plays the biggest role in a good president. Probably, but don't tell any of my fellow Americans that. |
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2008-08-10, 23:34 | Link #1724 | |||
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Good luck with that. Part of the argument against completely government-managed healthcare is that is very, very hard to change. Really, what are the odds that competent visionaries get voted or placed in the positions to take care of these things?
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Flawed as it may have been, the American model didn't fail. It was snatched away. Ridculous. The government has every responsibility to see to it that citizens have healthcare available to them. I believe that. It is a duty of leadership and governance. No one should ever be discriminated against to be denied healthcare. But no service is ever a right. Quote:
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Either way, you wouldn't see the talent pool spread out so much as dry up. See also: Canada. Healthcare in the US is imploding. But it is imploding in every other country that are suggested as alternative models. If all people do is gripe and call for change without examining either the details or reality itself, they won't like the change they get.
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2008-08-11, 00:27 | Link #1726 | |
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2008-08-11, 03:10 | Link #1727 |
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Got too many doctor friends .... you're just looking at their gross profit. Most doctors are being eaten alive by... (wait for it) insurance costs. Liability insurance to protect from lawsuits (for every justified one there's several ridiculous ones) can eat up over 50% of income. That's driving specialties like obstetrics (baby doctors) out of the business by the cartload.
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2008-08-11, 06:17 | Link #1728 | |
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2008-08-11, 11:35 | Link #1729 | ||
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2008-08-11, 18:00 | Link #1730 |
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Breakdown of potential vice-presidents for both McCain and Obama:
http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/200...eepstakes.html |
2008-08-12, 13:44 | Link #1732 | |
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But a private system does not necessarily exclude social services for those unable to afford to pay for their own healthcare. The poor actually do get healthcare in the US. The problem is the coverage for those who aren't poor enough, or who have "non-covered" conditions. This is a problem with regulation--and much of the regulatory problems are rather recent. Issues of minimum standards of care and what conditions are covered are an issue, but they're an issue with every system. In a solely government controlled system, though, they are far less flexible.
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2008-08-12, 18:58 | Link #1733 | |
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On the other hand, it's exactly the problem of the gray zones between the poor and the "not poor enough" the one that arises with a private-only healthcare system. You cannot ever hope to get rid of it--the existence of poor people is presupposed by a system based on scarcity, and of course, there will always exist gray zones. Where would you draw the line, then? The fact that it took around a century to realize the problems of this approach has more to do with the cyclic nature of capitalism than with human error (as you seem to imply). The only way of eliminating the problem with gray zones is by guaranteeing the right of healthcare to the whole of the population.
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2008-08-12, 21:40 | Link #1734 | |
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2008-08-12, 23:52 | Link #1735 |
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If people who are coming in and looking at this thread want to understand the U.S. health care situation and understand how desperate people are for coverage, they should watch this video I'm posting. There are just so many people in this country without proper health care insurance.
On the topic of health care, ideally I would want a government controlled health care system. However, the government proves time and time again that they cannot use the money they get properly. At this very moment though we are in need of an overhaul in some way or another. Our current system does not work.
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2008-08-13, 05:12 | Link #1738 | |
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Social care isn't the better solution but I think many agree *something* needs to be done. The problem is that no matter the system of payment, health care in general is swamped. There's never enough qualified practitioners to meed the demands of the people who need health care, and this isn't even including people who don't get medical care because they can't afford it or are scared of the costs. On one hand, regular check ups can help prevent more serious issues down the road. It's easier to remove a small tumor than a full blown case of cancer, as an example. But the burden of billions of people who need that kind of care means that at some point you aren't a patient, you're just a case number. That kind of "impersonal" care can open up even bigger problems of corruption and public health issues. Medical science has improved a lot but it's also presented new problems. With people living longer, the system is stretched even more dealing with "new" issues that weren't as prevalent before. This is especially noticeable in aging populations like Japan and the boomer generation in the US. Combine that with social programs that aren't getting the reforms they need and it's a recipe for major problems. And people think an entire system run socially is a good idea? The government can't even handle what's in place now. For the record, hospitals (at least in the US) will treat you in an emergency regardless of ability to pay. But if you live the bill will probably kill you anyway.
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2008-08-14, 13:32 | Link #1740 |
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it probably won't happen but if it came up with a tied in convention i would be laughing so hard.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...nomination/?hp Clinton's name will be in Nomination.
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