2008-08-13, 11:16 | Link #2502 | |
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True, words only have the meaning we give them, and I think saying a racial word in ignorance is to be forgiven (after a polite reminder of how the word IS a racial slur), but to knowingly use a racist word, even without the venom behind it is disrespectful, IMHO. I really am amused when someone says "no disrespect to XXX, but <disrespectful language here>" or "not to be racist but <racist words here>". It's like they are actively acknowledging that they are about to be racist, but try to fool us into believing they're not? Heh. Anyways - On topic... I really love this series exactly because of that self-deprecating humor. Kona-chan's Asperger's-esque "social etiquette" (or lack thereof, which is not too uncommon in the geek/nerd/otaku community), Kagami's exasperation with said "etiquette" (which I see quite often with my friend's SOs when we used to talk about World of Warcraft all the time), and the over-the-top obviously unrealistic moe and Kona-chan's real-time comments on how life isn't at all like manga/anime is all just too poignantly true yet too tongue in cheek to think that it's meant to be insulting . But, yeah I can see how some people who take themselves way too seriously can be pretty put off by the show. I also love the show because it's a nice intro into some parts of everyday Japanese life and watching how different the Japanese vs. American lifestyle is really informative (and seeing the not-insignificant similarities is very cool as well ). To all the people that posted on the "references" thread, you ROCK! To someone who's seen a few anime and knows just a little about Japanese culture, getting those guides and walkthroughs to all the references was awesome (AVPlaya gets the gold medal for the tome o' knowledge in those posts! ). I feel like I learned as much about Japanese culture watching this show and reading the forums as I did in my classes and reading books! BTW - What's the deal with the word "gaijin". I know it is sometimes used in a derogatory fashion but it also seems to be a self-deprecating "badge of honor" among some people too (kinda like "otaku" or "nerd", etc.). Am I understanding the situation correctly? Is using it in a self-deprecating way an advisable practice? Ciao! |
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2008-08-13, 13:58 | Link #2503 | |
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Using a racist word in ignorance should be pointed out and corrected by those who aren't ignorant, or else no lessons will be learned and someone's face will wind up in the pavement.
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On topic, you're really passionate about the show! That's cool. I love it for all the same reasons. I've also learned a lot about daily Japanese life and culture from researching things I've seen in this show. In some cases like you said, more than I did in school. I can't help you with the whole gaijin thing, but I usually prefer not to use self-deprecating terms. If the terms were meant to insult me, I'd rather not humor them. I've seen gaijin used in humorous ways by Westerners (ie GAIJIN SMASH!), but I don't think I'd use it on myself if I traveled. Likewise I wouldn't use the word f*g to describe myself, despite being of deviant sexuality... |
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2008-08-13, 15:04 | Link #2504 | ||
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As an aside, I've actually really gotten passionate about a lot of anime series within the past couple of years. I only watched shows here and there in and after college, but recently I've just been completely drawn in. I have to admit that anime was a big part of why I started learning Japanese and really becoming interested in general Japanese history/culture a couple years back . I guess it's because the stories are so well done and the characters so well thought out, and the little details are always so down pat (L*S being a great example). That and the overabundance of cuteness (which I'm a sucker for, I'll admit). Quote:
On that note, how are bisexuality and homosexuality treated in Japan? I've heard that it used to be considered completely within norms, especially for the warrior classes but that Westernization and the slow (albeit small) rise of western religions affected that to some extent. I wonder what the current culture's views are on this topic (or are we getting too off topic with that? ). Ciao! |
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I agree with your notes on this country's view of homosexuality. While my tastes might be considered "deviant", I live a totally normal life with my partner that consists of none of the oddities often stereotyped. Quote:
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2008-08-13, 19:35 | Link #2506 | |
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I probably shouldn't bring China into this, but in Cantonese we like to call westerners "gweilo". Charitably, we're playfully calling you "ghosts" in reference to your skin color, but with the proper spin it could have meant "foreign devil." And we throw that around like it's a badge of honor for you guys. My parents almost always end up using it, and I admit I sometimes do, too. |
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2008-08-28, 21:32 | Link #2509 |
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Well... the phrase "lucky star" predates the anime series by a long time. In fact, I still get Madonna hits at top rather than the anime when I google on the words.
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2008-09-13, 22:40 | Link #2510 |
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Skirt lengths
I noticed something today when watching Lucky Star. During the opening, it shows the four girls from the waist down standing around talking:
Their skirt bottoms are all pretty much even. However, Konata is a bit shorter than the others. Shouldn't hers be lower? My girlfriend said no, because they design them to be even. Even though I should take a woman's opinion on the topic of skirts, lol, that doesn't make sense to me. So what if a girl is -really- short, if they design them to always be even does that mean she won't be able to bend over w/o flashing everyone? Hehe. The cheerleader part further along in the intro looks more like what I'd expect: Granted, they're not really standing normally in that scene so ya have to take it with a grain of salt, but even so it's significantly lower there. So.. do they really line up IRL or is the first part just an artist gaffe? (Yea, I'm that bored lol) |
2008-09-13, 23:32 | Link #2513 |
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On top of perspective, it's just an article of clothing...I don't know if there's any significance in differing lengths, other than personal preference, so I also think the artist didn't make any errors, just did it like that so everything wouldn't look exactly the same, or did it on purpose to make a certain character stand out...
Who knows...Reminds me I could use a pair myself...
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2008-09-13, 23:50 | Link #2514 |
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Well, I certainly hope it isn't in vein, that sounds painful lol. Foreshortening perspective would certainly explain variance between the front row and the back row in the second pic, but the first one it's fairly obvious they are meant to be standing close together so that doesn't really apply there.
Regarding difference in lengths, it's a school uniform so I'd assume it's a standardized article of clothing. If they are all uniform (yuk-yuk) in length, Konata's should be drawn lower in the group shot as her hips would obviously be lower to the ground since she's shorter. -yawn- Ahh me and my darned OCD |
2008-09-14, 00:23 | Link #2515 |
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I imagine that this will end up in the silly questions thread or the Lucky Star generic discussion thread, but to answer the question...
Here are the more rational explanations. http://www.raki-suta.com/img/res/446.html
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2008-09-14, 01:04 | Link #2517 |
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The artist got lazy. It like me when I draw a few frills or ruffles, and I know i need to make them artistic, but I do the simply way cause it saves me time.
ps: Plus Lucky Star character designs are confusing. On some parts of the anime, they look very young and much shorter but you can still tell the heigth difference, then you got some that makes them look like the current Clamp style, umm... what was that style called... Match Stick or something like that. What ever, really slim body.
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2008-09-14, 16:09 | Link #2520 | |
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