Romance in Macross

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

Man, I wonder how Megumi Nakajima would feel now after she clearly stated Ranka needs to let Alto go in order to grow up as a person.

And she did, but then they needed to curbstomp Grace for the grand finale, along with some kind of victim and deus ex machina to make it all work properly...

You know, rather than have Alto seriously follow through with his "kill Ranka" resolve, and make him and Sheryl into badguys, they had to dress Ranka down completely.

Ranka and Sheryl were never rivals, never friends, what the hell was that in the last episode?

[Joachim]

yuri's love blossom without you ever knowing it mate..

[kilroy0097]

My hope for the movie is not only to wrap up the LT which is very much needed but to also move along in the grand story to a new adventure.

I'm hoping it's this which is my post in the Macross Frontier Movie thread.

[Joachim]

damn yea, hopefully kawamori has the same idea as you killroy, if that really happen i will be moaning like a crazed bastard "THIS IS WHAT WE WANT!"

i think there will be an explanation in the future of what actually happened to megaroad 1 (stumble upon another dimension which is where protoculture reside in, etc2) man yes!

[Wesley84]

They should have killed Mikhail off early just so we could have watched Klan get over it.

[monir]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

And she did, but then they needed to curbstomp Grace for the grand finale, along with some kind of victim and deus ex machina to make it all work properly...

You know, rather than have Alto seriously follow through with his "kill Ranka" resolve, and make him and Sheryl into badguys, they had to dress Ranka down completely.

Ranka and Sheryl were never rivals, never friends, what the hell was that in the last episode?

I'm looking forward to your post in the eventual Overall Series Impression thread just because I also agree with you that the series has been pretty inconsistent through out its storytelling in regards to some of the driving factors for those plot points.

[AMDX1325]

So in the end, the LT is pointless, the entire series is pointless.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by AMDX1325

So in the end, the LT is pointless, the entire series is pointless.

And? So are you.

[BetoJR]

@AMDX1325: Hmmm... most people here tend to disagree with you (myself included), so... let's wait for the Overall Series Impression thread, shall we?

[Urei]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

@AMDX1325: Hmmm... most people here tend to disagree with you (myself included), so... let's wait for the Overall Series Impression thread, shall we?

At least 5 months of waiting for that

[AMDX1325]

y taking that comment of mine so seriously???

Im being sarcastic, Bill Bailey style...... you know how things starts and ends, anime does, human does...just the greater way of the world...

I, of course enjoyed the Macross F series alot. Can't wait for the movie.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by AMDX1325

y taking that comment of mine so seriously???

Im being sarcastic, Bill Bailey style...... you know how things starts and ends, anime does, human does...just the greater way of the world...

I, of course enjoyed the Macross F series alot. Can't wait for the movie.

Sometimes, sarcasm translates rather poor in writing. That´s what smileys are for.

[AMDX1325]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Sometimes, sarcasm translates rather poor in writing. That´s what smileys are for.

yea facial expression and tone helps....

[TwilightHack]

Originally Posted by AMDX1325

y taking that comment of mine so seriously???

Im being sarcastic, Bill Bailey style...... you know how things starts and ends, anime does, human does...just the greater way of the world...

I, of course enjoyed the Macross F series alot. Can't wait for the movie.

Don't worry, some people are as dense to sarcasm as trolls are to reason. It's quite interesting really.

Originally Posted by abynormal

*takes off spineless executive hat*

After thinking about it, I smell executive meddling in this whole mess. I don't think Kawamori was afraid to end the LT, but some producer over him was afraid of how Ranka's fanbase would react, leading to decreased DVD and merchandise sales.

The more I think about it, I also smell executive meddling. I don't know, but it just doesn't add up for SK to mess up his entire series by an ending that doesn't fit.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

Don't worry, some people are as dense to sarcasm as trolls are to reason. It's quite interesting really.

What was missing was context. If he was responding sarcastically to someone, quoting that person would have helped.

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

The more I think about it, I also smell executive meddling. I don't know, but it just doesn't add up for SK to mess up his entire series by an ending that doesn't fit.

I think I was the first who talked of a last-minute editorial rewrite. ^^ The rather poor artwork in the last three minutes for the main three seems like another sign of that to me.

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

What was missing was context. If he was responding sarcastically to someone, quoting that person would have helped.

EXACTLY my thoughts on the matter.
I don't picture myself as dense to sarcasm, but over written words out of context, and without any smileys, anyone can be prey to some confusion.

As for the last minute rewrite's possibility: it's entirely possible. BUT we have to see how Kawamori's recent interview ultimately fits into the overall outcome of the series. I'm still not convinced about the "cultural" comments, there.

[glyph]

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

Don't worry, some people are as dense to sarcasm as trolls are to reason. It's quite interesting really.


I also smell executive meddling. I don't know, but it just doesn't add up for SK to mess up his entire series by an ending that doesn't fit.

What ending that doesn't fit? That was the point of Sheryl insisting Alto rescuing Ranka before she'd listen to his words, and Ranka insisting Sheryl not give up even after her part was done and curing her. They want Alto to make a clear decision from his true feelings, not a victory based (possibly) on pity, or the convenient demise of the other point of the triangle. Now, with all the stuff that goes on in 25, there's absolutely no way they can convincingly resolve the romance in the last 30 seconds of the show to the satisfaction of the girls.

Even in the finale of SDFM (which IMO was botched and arguably just as open as Frontier's ending), Hikaru had already made a choice in the early part of the episode, giving Minmay time to come to accept it by the end. Remember, Ranka didn't give up Alto because she fell out of love with him, but because she was forced to by her circumstances and conscience. Also, she doesn't know everything that went on between Sheryl and Alto while she was gone. There's no reason why she would say "You love is stronger than mine. I give up." to Sheryl.

As for Alto breaking it to her during the "you are both my wings" segment, it would be anticlimatic in the buildup to the upbeat theme of everyone working together to beat down on Battle Galaxy and Grace. Also, IMO, Ranka as a character isn't quite yet emotionally strong enough to take it and continue singing, unlike Minmay. Similar to why they didn't kill Ozma or Brera off.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by glyph

What ending that doesn't fit? That was the point of Sheryl insisting Alto rescuing Ranka before she'd listen to his words, and Ranka insisting Sheryl not give up even after her part was done and curing her. They want Alto to make a clear decision from his true feelings, not a victory through (possible) pity, or the convenient demise of the other point of the triangle. Now, with all the stuff that goes on in 25, there's absolutely no way they can convincingly resolve the romance in the last 30 seconds of the show to the satisfaction of the girls.

Quite honestly, two minutes would have been enough. A possible scenario ( sorry, if it sounds cliched ):

Alto lands next to Sheryl and Ranka, they both hug him. Sheryl then says that she doesn´t want to get between Ranka and him and prepares to leave. Alto then takes Sheryl into his arms and deeply kisses her, declaring his love for her.

Ranka is shocked at first and Sheryl also glances with worry at her reaction, but then Ranka takes a short moment to go into herself and declares that she is happy for both of them, but that she won´t lose to Sheryl in music. The end.

That would have been enough for me. Wouldn´t have taken more than the two minutes they spent on having him do his fly around and Ranka doing her challenge.

[TwilightHack]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

What was missing was context. If he was responding sarcastically to someone, quoting that person would have helped.

It was a general statement not directed at anyone. And its true if you think about it.

As for the other stuff, I'm not even going to bother trying to argue a point. I'm still burnt trying to get over the lame ending. Read the Ep25 thread if you want to know reasonings.

[Urei]

Originally Posted by glyph

What ending that doesn't fit? That was the point of Sheryl insisting Alto rescuing Ranka before she'd listen to his words, and Ranka insisting Sheryl not give up even after her part was done and curing her. They want Alto to make a clear decision from his true feelings, not a victory based (possibly) on pity, or the convenient demise of the other point of the triangle. Now, with all the stuff that goes on in 25, there's absolutely no way they can convincingly resolve the romance in the last 30 seconds of the show to the satisfaction of the girls.

Well, I posted a similar thought in this thread when episode 25 aired. A conclusion with all of this build up, fighting ect. would have been very rushed.

Originally Posted by glyph

Even in the finale of SDFM (which IMO was botched and arguably just as open as Frontier's ending), Hikaru had already made a choice in the early part of the episode, giving Minmay time to come to accept it by the end. Remember, Ranka didn't give up Alto because she fell out of love with him, but because she was forced to by her circumstances and conscience. Also, she doesn't know everything that went on between Sheryl and Alto while she was gone. There's no reason why she would say "You love is stronger than mine. I give up." to Sheryl.

We can argue on that. I think SDF ended in a pretty straight forward way.

Originally Posted by glyph

As for Alto breaking it to her during the "you are both my wings" segment, it would be anticlimatic in the buildup to the upbeat theme of everyone working together to beat down on Battle Galaxy and Grace. Also, IMO, Ranka as a character isn't quite yet emotionally strong enough to take it and continue singing, unlike Minmay. Similar to why they didn't kill Ozma of Brera off.

Yes, well, this is the conclusion of the rushed storytelling theory from the earlier part of the post. Thats the sole reason why I can't accept Ranka as she is at the end. There is no reason why she could fight with Sheryl. I'd expect much more reasoning put behind that statement about not losing. Considering what we were shown those were empty words.

EDIT, Thats' why I'd expect more of her development in something that could resolve the matter once and for all.