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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 7 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 115 | 52.27% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 39 | 17.73% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 36 | 16.36% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 4.09% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 3.64% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 7 | 3.18% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.45% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 5 | 2.27% | |
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2008-11-18, 01:02 | Link #421 |
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@Double 120% - MSG never intricately examined character motivations...It was more straight-foward and more focused on the pure reality and brutality of war...Everything was centered around Amuro having to protect the ship, so with that set you had to have alot of action...00 is more about world-creation and character study...The Gundams STARTED the war and had the advantage so there was never a defensive dynamic like in most G-show setups...
As for Tomino, if he had his way Turn A would be the last thing we ever saw...I love Tomino and his style, but I also can sense the sour grapes of an old guy whose work has been changed from his strict ideal (I respect his disgust though)...However the bottomline is that Gundam is a franchise, a franchise that self-sustains itself through merchandising...I'm not ignorant to that, so within that set I can judge the work...We all know this $hit is about selling toys, but the question is can you make a show good with the understanding that you're gonna whore mechs in a varying degree? That's the test of a Gundam director and I'd say Mizushima is passing that test unlike the last show which whored every mech to the point it's prolly being banned in Amsterdam it whored so much... A good deal of us understand the complex obligation that goes into creating these shows while understanding the economic construct that exists for something like Gundam...The question is can a show be good within that understanding? The last show failed, this one hasn't failed IMO...Again I understand your frustration and appreciate the old skool Gundam passion that seemed to somehow evaporate from this forum in recent years, but I can't lie...I'm enjoying this show, because it has going for it a real interesting dynamic where the director has chosen to respect the sophistication of the fanbase at large by not pretending he's not rehashing a story that has been told before...Mizushima understands this $hit has been told over and over again, so he chose to take one of the more taken for granted Gundam elements (character motivations) and make that the heart in which he tells the story rather than a fleeting element the audience already understood...Being a guy who never directed Gundam before I think he's done a great job of not just recreating souless homages left and right and nonsensical action for the sake of action...Unlike you I haven't sensed an overt whoring effort by Bandai that's been more obvious than it was since Gundam Wing brought Gundam off of life-support in the 90's....Feels less than GSD by a longshot to me (But that's the evil of an opinion)...
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2008-11-18, 01:15 | Link #423 |
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Alright I'll just ask this is a direct manner.
Are you convincible or not? Will you start liking Gundam 00 after arguing and seeing that we have some good points? There's this whole bunch of us who've also seen the entire Gundam franchise, but we still like Gundam 00 alot. There's always this group of unpleasable fans and its a law of the universe that they must exist for each item, you may just very well be falling into this group for Gundam 00. If that is true, there's no reason to continue arguing but to leave you alone. So are you someone who we can convince to start liking Gundam 00?
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2008-11-18, 01:15 | Link #424 | ||
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Gundam using the ES21 story telling format = instant success. Too bad Japan is too fail to figure it out. Lawl.
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2008-11-18, 01:20 | Link #425 |
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Fairly nice ep. Glad to see Allelujia and Marie together... so touching... wish the colonel would just ditch the federation, since obviously he has no interest in it anymore. He should just stick with celestial being. Now that they parted, I can already see some drama either with Col. Smirnov or Marie dying in some twisted crap later on.
Now that I think about it, this is probably my most favorite pairing. Higher than Saji and whoever, or Marina and Setsuna... if there is any at all.
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2008-11-18, 02:01 | Link #426 |
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Good episode overall. Saji can't shoot because of contradicting himself. Seems to focus on Allelujah and Marie finally being together. Can't believe Sumeragi is jealous of Al. Setsuna actually smiled! Tieria was shocked to look at a clone. Next episode is definitely interesting. Probably seeing betrayal or more likely distrust among CB members.
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2008-11-18, 02:14 | Link #427 | |
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How can you people put Soma above Barack? Sure, Barack is the new guy, he's not a girl, nor does he look cool in any way. He's a genuine grunt with a name. But if you look past the fact that he's a destined mid-card, you'll see he's done stuff Soma has never done, and that is keep up with TWO gundam meisters at the same time. He has the edge over Tieria during their 1v1, and he never took a hit against Cherudim + Seravee. He's the only guy so far in the series to fight TWO CB gundams at once tag teaming, let alone coming out of it unscathed. It's silly how this board won't even recognize that as mid-card greatness. But hey, it's expected. Short story, Barack is way ahead of Soma at this point in every single way. Until Soma pulls some plot crap where she literally goes DBZ mode, she's inferior to Barack in every way. She got shot by ALLE the GIMP. Or are you saying Alle the gimp has a better firing rate than Lyle AND Tieria together? |
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2008-11-18, 02:22 | Link #428 |
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Did anyone notice that once they found Allelujiah, Sumeragi says "I didn't lose my reason to fight" or that was the sub based on gSS. Does this mean Sumeragi fights for Al. and there may be deeper emotions between the two? Is there a possible love triangle in here??
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2008-11-18, 02:24 | Link #429 | ||
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Horizontal Integration is Bandai's game with Gundam. If they were just interested in selling toys they would simply invest in a series of commercial spots everytime they have a new model kit. Instead what we get with Gundam is a television series that goes hand in hand with a toyline that is based around it and vice versa. It is not the sole purpose of the TV series to sell these model kits because the company also has DVD sales to worry about. And that is a different beast altogether. This is why the Gundam franchise is a constant struggle to find a balance between providing good television that people will want to own once the chance arises and a profitable model line to go along with it that people will also want to own because they like the design and have an interest in the hobby of putting together gunpla. What he have here is an argument that does not fit in at all with the criticisms you seem to be desperately trying to make. In fact it's just a stock argument that people try to use constantly and not a very good one at that. For this reason I urge you to think about what you are trying to argue next time before just borrowing tired horses that have long since been beaten to death. They are useless and will get you nowhere at all. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2008-11-18 at 02:36. |
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2008-11-18, 02:48 | Link #430 | ||
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Your post has absolutly nothing to do with what we where talking about your just lashing out at us for liking a series you do not like claiming that we don't respect Tomino. No one has disrespected UC Gundam in this thread, you are making phantom accusations to make yourself look good. Pretty soon your going to be offering us Amontallido Quote:
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2008-11-18, 03:05 | Link #432 |
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You would have alot more people listening to you if you actually used your wit to actually seriously discuss and not troll.
Doing stuff for personal lulz does not work in this forum. You know you're speaking nonsense anyway and probably just have more lulz when more people reply to you, I'll just leave it here and you can have one more post to laugh at.
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2008-11-18, 03:10 | Link #433 | |
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You mean Tetsu Inada? The VA for Harry Ord, Elzam Von Branstein, and Lu Bu? If Barack becomes misused it will not be because of his VA who has voiced two ace pilots, and the most powerful warrior in Ancient Chinese history. Also the fact that Barack has no relationship helps him, someone needs to fight Tieria and Lockon, Mr, Bushido is too busing fighting Setsuna, Ali isn't a part of A-Laws, and Andrei has the who le Allelujah, and Louise thing going on. |
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Now as for discussion, I would like to touch upon the point Wingdarkness made earlier about how Setsuna didn't seem to have learned anything from this encounter. At least so far. I find this actually is a little bit worrisome because a) We have been under the impression that his personality and way of handling things has been improved this season, but have never really seen it and b) a lack of reaction indicates that Setsuna has not recognized his defeat and what he might need to do to improve in order to do better against Mr. Bushido the next time, which seems a bit foolish. The problem here comes from what may happen in the future because if Setsuna suddenly does beat him without having undergone a certain realization in order to do so then it could end up feeling cheap and will do no honour to Mr. Bushido nor Setsuna himself. They are building this confrontation up to be a big one in the future so I hope we at least get to see Setsuna recognizing his opponents skill in the coming episodes and taking steps to prepare for the next confrontation. Mr. Bushido should not be allowed to get the drop on the 00 Gundam a third time like he's been doing. How does the saying go, " 'Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a thousand battles without disaster." 1. Mr. Bushido is only interested in fighting the 00 Gundam. Use this to your advantage. 2. Mr. Bushido insists on close quarters combat and is nearly unbeatable in this regard. Make a point to keep your distance when engaging him. 3. Mr. Bushido prefers to fight alone. Find a way to use his "comrades" against him as a distraction. 4. Mr. Bushido will not fight an opponent who cannot defend himself. Make not of this if you want to avoid combat with him. Time to get cracking Setsuna. Of course I don't expect many or really any of these points to come into play in the future, but they are worth noting just the same. This is where Setsuna could potentially start in his quest to overcome his adversary. |
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2008-11-18, 03:31 | Link #435 |
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I think Setsuna's personality has been improving (he smiled 7 episodes into the second season where as it took him 19 episodes in season one to crack a smile), so those four years spent wandering and thinking about things have done something for him. But as for if he'll pick up on Mr. Bushidou's weaknesses, I'd say it's a toss up. I think Setsuna does have an instinct for fighting or else he wouldn't have lasted this long (you can't credit just good luck for making it out alive as a child soldier), but I don't know how good of a strategist he is. Maybe his gut instinct will pick up on the things that put Mr. Bushidou at risk but I think it's hard to say if we'll see him really do that.
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2008-11-18, 04:19 | Link #437 | |
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2008-11-18, 05:02 | Link #438 |
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Some impressions now that I've seen the subbed version:
Honestly I wasn't a big fan of the battle this episode, but as I've said I can live with that because it wasn't the main focus. It was cool to see Sumeragi get right into things instead of hitting the bottle the second she gets depressed which gives me far more confidence in her as a strategist then before. Can't say her strategy was all that brilliant but she did what she needed to do in making the A-LAWS go away so that Kataron could get out of there. Setsuna's duel with Graham was brief but probably the most interesting part of this short skirmish. As Ian predicted Trans-Am did eventually cause the 00 Gundam to overload, but not before he did some equally serious damage to Graham's Ahead. I have to wonder how the battle would have gone if that hadn't happened. And then there's Saji who as I suspected couldn't pull the trigger. I was ready to give up on him altogether but then he finally did what he should have done all along if he wanted to be helpful. Put his engineering certificate to use on the bridge in order to help repair the 00 Gundam with Ian. I also got a bit of a laugh (not sure how appropriate it was) out of the Meisters not realizing Allellujah was missing until the A-LAWS had left. Are they really that uncoordinated when Sumeragi is not in the picture? Of course Allelujah was off elsewhere after getting shot down by and shooting down Soma and finally all of those convince commands he's been using on her pay off (speaking of which this is great because when an SRW rolls around with 00 in it means I get to use my favourite female character.....maybe). I've gotta side with the group that doesn't feel this is too soon. In fact it's been a long time coming. 27 episodes at least since the beginning of season 1. Speaking of season one we also finally get to see what was up with all of those flashbacks Allelujah was having about being lost in space and killing some kid. So that was when he escaped from the Super Soldier facility and his Hallelujah finally kicked in in order to help him survive the ordeal at any cost. A blessing and a curse. The way I see it these past couple of episodes and their focus on Allelujah are making up for all that time they forget about him for at the end of last season. As for Marie, boy is she different from Soma. She even sounds different in how she lacks that gruff tone that Soma always had when talking. I disagree with the idea that she's been reduced to some sort of moeblob now though. She's merely gone from being unnaturally bloodthirsty and arrogant to something a bit closer to a normal human being. Being a super soldier really isn't all it's cut out to be. When Sergei showed up I also knew exactly what he was planning to do the whole time and that was to execute Soma Peries in battle. He didn't do this for Allelujah or himself though as you know he would gladly like to seek retribution for the death of his comrades, he did it for his daughter as one last gift before he said goodbye to her. Celestial Being up one pilot, A-LAWS down another. And while this episode carried with it a fairly upbeat tone, it also brings us quite a bit closer to what I think is going to be the main plot. We finally see what was up with Ali's attack on Azadistan and there's no doubt that the A-LAWS were unnofficially behind it. This is how they roll. If they can't get a country to join the Earth Federation then they will force it in, and if that means having a crazy guy perform go black ops on an entire region so that they can come in, restore order and install a friendly government then so be it. By the way, does this sound familiar to anyone. Subtle, but at the same time obvious to anybody who's been reading the newspapers in the past 5 years. The preview also seems to hint that this is a step forward in Aeolia's plan. Wait though, I thought Aeolia's plan was through world peace unless........world peace ends with an innovator in charge and the next step for humanity. Enter Regena Regetta and her bragging that she and Tieria have something in common and that also includes Ribbons. It looks like we are going to be heading into a Tieria focused series of episodes now and with it I sense we'll be getting some answers to questions about what is really going on and our entrance into the core plotline that will define the rest of the series. One other thing I noticed as that Soma and Louise seem to have hit it off in the previous episode and she's the next most reluctant pilot in the A-LAWS group. The one that most certainly doesn't belong. The fact that Andrei had to step in and save her and that she just keeps making all of these made charges makes it hard for to see how she can continue to function as a member of an elite military group. If she only knew the truth about what was going on and could speak to Saji and Soma then it's easy to see her path to getting out of this mess and heading over to Celestial Being too. They're less of an enemy of the kind that would do what Nena did to her family then the A-LAWS are with their willingness to destroy an entire country just to see that it falls in line behind the Earth Federation. As a side note, I wasn't a fan of the Tommy Heavenly6 insert song at all. Give me Taja any day. Can't say it really fit the scene. In the end I think this episode deserves about an 8.5/10 rounded up to a 9 for the absolutely solid animation and choreagraphy throughout. If the shows been good so far it looks like it's about to really hit it's stride this season. |
2008-11-18, 05:14 | Link #439 |
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Well, when I was in the army, we had exercises with battle simulating equipment. We normally don't know who is dead or missing until the fight is over where we count the remaining strength of the section. Unless someone died beside you, you probably would have full focus in your fight and have no idea about who's missing.
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2008-11-18, 05:55 | Link #440 |
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If I have to summerise my feelings for this episode in two words they would be; "HELL" and "YEA!"
Skipping what has been said before I bet that there are some moaning about how random and wtf-bad it was for Soma to just "realise" her real personality, Marie, but I personally don't see that as a problem. Because I enjoy the series for the action-drama it is somewhat easier for me to overlook such details even if it is pretty major. I prefer to enjoy watching this series lightheartedly rather than criticise (which is sure to cause tiredness and annoyance). So in that light I give this episode a whopping awesome out of 10 for going "just as planned" Marie and Allelujah makes the perfect couple ^^
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