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AceFlashheart · 2008-12-16, 14:08

Yeah it's not too terrible for Suzaku. He spent the timeskip year with Nunally.

After first watching the show I was all under the impression that he'd live in the shadows for the rest of his life, fighting injustice as a sort of giant robot piloting batman.

But after rewatching I see at the end that Zero is pushing Nunally's wheelchair. Does that mean Zero is pre-eminent political figure? What does zero -do- in a post Lulu world?

If he's close to Nunally does that mean she knows who he is? How about Karen? Do they ever talk?

Speaking of Karen, she still pilots Guren right? So will she join the army after school? Or does she just keep it in her shed, and use it to pick up chi... boys.

TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS!

Nogitsune · 2008-12-16, 14:25

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Originally Posted by AceFlashheart

Yeah it's not too terrible for Suzaku. He spent the timeskip year with Nunally.

*nods her head*
He was totally screwed, but at least he had some company. xD

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After first watching the show I was all under the impression that he'd live in the shadows for the rest of his life, fighting injustice as a sort of giant robot piloting batman.

But after rewatching I see at the end that Zero is pushing Nunally's wheelchair. Does that mean Zero is pre-eminent political figure? What does zero -do- in a post Lulu world?

He is a hero - a symbol of peace and justice.
He will never be known as "Suzaku Kururugi" again, but the people love him.

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If he's close to Nunally does that mean she knows who he is?

Well, Nunally apparently saw Lelouch's memories when he died, so... yeah, she know.

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How about Karen? Do they ever talk?

Maybe. It should not be hard for her to figure out who "Zero" is.
Then again, it could take her some time until she is ready to face Lelouch's killer.

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Speaking of Karen, she still pilots Guren right? So will she join the army after school?

Nah, I think she will live a peaceful life for now.
It's what both Lelouch and her brother wanted her to do, after all.

azul120 · 2008-12-16, 14:27

Yeah, Lelouch went through his own terrible history as well with the death of his mother and the crippling of his sister Nunnally, followed by the abandonment by his father to Japan, which would be later occupied. Really, at 10 years old it's hard not to be warped by all that.

Only thing Lelouch did wrong regarding Euphie and Shirley was not already telling the actual circumstances between both deaths (the Geass on the former being accidental, and the latter getting killed by Rolo). Hopefully it'll be at least implied, if not revealed, later on, that Lelouch eventually told Suzaku the details.

As for "Zero-zaku", I think he serves as Nunnally's knight.

bladeofdarkness · 2008-12-16, 14:36

suzaku is needed to help nunnaly rule
hes the only thing (or rather zero is) that keeps shnizel in check
and i think its clear nunnaly knows who he is and why he did what he did

as for kallen
she knows who he is (she stops toudo from spilling the beans)
and considering she still has a picture of him on her wall i think she could deal with facing him

prototype_sky · 2008-12-16, 14:36

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Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Ougi betrayed Lelouch, married Villeta, and became leader of Japan.

But not before receiving pwnage from Zero

Lulu practically gave them the happy ending because he suffered a huge guilt trip from the deaths of Shirley, Euphie and Rolo and the deal he made with Suzaku and Nina.

This series would've had a more awesome ending if he had continued his reign

and let the BK rot in prison or make them his mind slaves

NyxOne · 2008-12-16, 14:38

So you would have preferred the generic tyrannical ending, I see...

Nogitsune · 2008-12-16, 14:41

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So you would have preferred the generic tyrannical ending, I see...

Hm... I see the fun in that, too, but it would have taken quite a bit of Lelouch's awesomeness away. xD
Oh well. I voted for an ending in which Arthur marries Clovis (who would have had returned from the dead by then) and leaves Suzaku to Lelouch.
Then, C.C. would have chased after them, and Clovis would have cried.
...Yep, I like alternative endings. xDD

AceFlashheart · 2008-12-16, 14:44

Anyone seen this?

Alternate character theory: Suzaku murders his father Oedipus Rex style because he wanted to be the one who married Nunnally.

Nogitsune · 2008-12-16, 14:50

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Originally Posted by AceFlashheart

Anyone seen this?

Yes. *-*
I like it much better with the original voices, though.
...Still, little Suzaku and Lelouch are so incredibly adorable! xD

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Alternate character theory: Suzaku murders his father Oedipus Rex style because he wanted to be the one who married Nunnally.

Nah, he wanted to marry his mother.
And he was afraid his father might castrate him... Lelouch had similar reasons for not going back to Britannia, after all. *nods her head*
Errr... yes, Freud has definitely been poisoning my mind. xD

Eliarine · 2008-12-16, 14:56

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Nah, he wanted to marry his mother.

...you just reminded me that I was hoping R2 would tell us at least something about Suzaku's mom.

Grmrbmblblblbmmmbmbleh.

Nogitsune · 2008-12-16, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Eliarine

...you just reminded me that I was hoping R2 would tell us at least something about Suzaku's mom.

Grmrbmblblblbmmmbmbleh.

Well, he wanted to marry her, which means she was-
...Omg, Euphie was his mother. O_O

Oh, that reminds me... I'm supposed to give you a hug from our other soulmate, who is busy right now. xD

*titles her head* I'm still fascinated by how different the older and the younger version of Suzaku are.

prototype_sky · 2008-12-16, 15:12

In the end conflicts are always going to happen and change is going to take place

Suzaku wanted a slow gradual change with little casualties.
While lulu wanted radical immediate change with a blood bath if necessary

In this regard Suzaku lost to Lulu's Geass being unable to prevent a blood bath so the slow method was pretty much void after episode 18 hence why teaming up with zero to aid in his blood bath made sense.

azul120 · 2008-12-16, 15:15

The question is: how much blood was actually shed, and how much was propaganda generated by Lelouch?

incorrupts · 2008-12-16, 15:15

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Originally Posted by prototype_sky

In the end conflicts are always going to happen and change is going to take place

Suzaku wanted a slow gradual change with little casualties.
While lulu wanted radical immediate change with a blood bath if necessary

In this regard Suzaku lost to Lulu's Geass being unable to prevent a blood bath so the slow method was pretty much void after episode 18 hence why teaming up with zero to aid in his blood bath made sense.

Exactly this. I think, it was said in the preview in one of the first epis of S1, episode 6, was it? That was the difference between them. Idealists with different means.

Eliarine · 2008-12-16, 15:16

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Originally Posted by Nogitsune

Well, he wanted to marry her, which means she was-
...Omg, Euphie was his mother. O_O

Oh, that reminds me... I'm supposed to give you a hug from our other soulmate, who is busy right now. xD

*titles her head* I'm still fascinated by how different the older and the younger version of Suzaku are.

o__o;;

*soulmate-hug-across-countries time!*

I'm still fascinated by Suzaku, period. And Lelouch. And the relationship between Suzaku and Lelouch.

...I suddenly feel like rewatching the whole show ;__;

Nogitsune · 2008-12-16, 15:30

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o__o;;

*soulmate-hug-across-countries time!*

*-*

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I'm still fascinated by Suzaku, period. And Lelouch. And the relationship between Suzaku and Lelouch.

Agreed!
And I'll quietly add Clovis to the list... xDD

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...I suddenly feel like rewatching the whole show ;__;

I suddenly feel like writing fanfic. xD

Charred Knight · 2008-12-16, 17:00

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Originally Posted by NyxOne

So you would have preferred the generic tyrannical ending, I see...

You have to admit that ending would be more unique and we wouldn't have people calling Lelouch Jesus Christ.

Shuuda · 2008-12-16, 17:13

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You have to admit that ending would be more unique and we wouldn't have people calling Lelouch Jesus Christ.

And we also have to admit that you would still complain endlessly about it.

Charred Knight · 2008-12-16, 17:15

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And we also have to admit that you would still complain endlessly about it.

I don't know about that, put C.C in a sexy enough evil empress outfit, and I would probably like it.

Grey Dawn · 2008-12-16, 17:21

Come now, couldn't you see it? ZR begins, Suzaku starts charging, everyone starts suddenly having hope and faith in either Zero or Lelouch, and then all of a sudden Lelouch snaps his fingers and Suzaku gets gunned down. Lelouch looks down at Nunally and Suzaku's last breaths and throws an evil laugh "Hahahahahahahaha you actually trusted me to give up ruling the world forever and my life. Onward with the execution!"

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bladeofdarkness Um-Shmum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts Age: 39	suzaku is needed to help nunnaly rule hes the only thing (or rather zero is) that keeps shnizel in check and i think its clear nunnaly knows who he is and why he did what he did as for kallen she knows who he is (she stops toudo from spilling the beans) and considering she still has a picture of him on her wall i think she could deal with facing him __________________

2008-12-16, 14:08	Link #8221
AceFlashheart Member Join Date: Dec 2008	Yeah it's not too terrible for Suzaku. He spent the timeskip year with Nunally. After first watching the show I was all under the impression that he'd live in the shadows for the rest of his life, fighting injustice as a sort of giant robot piloting batman. But after rewatching I see at the end that Zero is pushing Nunally's wheelchair. Does that mean Zero is pre-eminent political figure? What does zero -do- in a post Lulu world? If he's close to Nunally does that mean she knows who he is? How about Karen? Do they ever talk? Speaking of Karen, she still pilots Guren right? So will she join the army after school? Or does she just keep it in her shed, and use it to pick up chi... boys. TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS!

2008-12-16, 14:27	Link #8223
azul120 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	Yeah, Lelouch went through his own terrible history as well with the death of his mother and the crippling of his sister Nunnally, followed by the abandonment by his father to Japan, which would be later occupied. Really, at 10 years old it's hard not to be warped by all that. Only thing Lelouch did wrong regarding Euphie and Shirley was not already telling the actual circumstances between both deaths (the Geass on the former being accidental, and the latter getting killed by Rolo). Hopefully it'll be at least implied, if not revealed, later on, that Lelouch eventually told Suzaku the details. As for "Zero-zaku", I think he serves as Nunnally's knight.

2008-12-16, 14:38	Link #8226
NyxOne Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	So you would have preferred the generic tyrannical ending, I see...

2008-12-16, 14:44	Link #8228
AceFlashheart Member Join Date: Dec 2008	Anyone seen this? Alternate character theory: Suzaku murders his father Oedipus Rex style because he wanted to be the one who married Nunnally.

2008-12-16, 15:12	Link #8232
prototype_sky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY	In the end conflicts are always going to happen and change is going to take place Suzaku wanted a slow gradual change with little casualties. While lulu wanted radical immediate change with a blood bath if necessary In this regard Suzaku lost to Lulu's Geass being unable to prevent a blood bath so the slow method was pretty much void after episode 18 hence why teaming up with zero to aid in his blood bath made sense.

2008-12-16, 15:15	Link #8233
azul120 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	The question is: how much blood was actually shed, and how much was propaganda generated by Lelouch?

2008-12-16, 17:21	Link #8240
Grey Dawn zzzzzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008	Come now, couldn't you see it? ZR begins, Suzaku starts charging, everyone starts suddenly having hope and faith in either Zero or Lelouch, and then all of a sudden Lelouch snaps his fingers and Suzaku gets gunned down. Lelouch looks down at Nunally and Suzaku's last breaths and throws an evil laugh "Hahahahahahahaha you actually trusted me to give up ruling the world forever and my life. Onward with the execution!"