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serenade_beta · 2008-12-26, 01:04

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Originally Posted by Thingle

Is it just me, or is Kagura now at the same level as Shinji in terms of being a terrible protagonist? Man. She can't pull the trigger, can she?

While it seems its not just you, I disagree... Rather, it would be stranger, considering all of the developments so far, if Kagura could just suddenly kill the person she really treasured so easily. Well, it seems you are considering it easy to suddenly kill people dear to you...
More like, so a protagonist sucks because they can't kill off a person whenever they are told?
I guess in this case, you're hating Noriyuki because he couldn't decide to kill either his fiancee or good friend?

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Originally Posted by Slick_rick

As much people hate on characters like her doesn't mean such a character isn't needed. NGE wouldn't have been anywhere as great of an anime without all the angst Shinji's character when through. Kagura is just as essential as Yomi to the story.

Impossible to argue with. Though personally, Kagura is a good/interesting character to watch and see how she changes/grows. Well, up to the manga, anyways. My interest in manga Kagura is too thin to care...

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Originally Posted by Thingle

All by herself... Her pocky eating, crybaby, combat helpless nature. Her whining "YOMI YOMI YOMI" only makes it worse.

Hah?

Hypernova · 2008-12-26, 04:57

At least Kagura learns from her experience. I felt Shinji stayed a whiny pussy from start to finish. And I need to see more of Rebuild to see if that has really changed.

Chase · 2008-12-26, 05:14

Man i love this show(ive seen11 episodes so one more left), its my favorite of the season outside of Gundam 00 and Kannagi. I really hope they follow up with this.

Jinsoo · 2008-12-26, 05:51

True, Kagura's weak side and indecisiveness during crucial times got on my nerves a bit, but I can forgive her because not everybody is the typical I-CAN-KILL-WHATEVER-I-WANT shounen character. She was a fragile girl at heart to begin with. She matured a lot towards the end of the series.

Yomi's the classic case of a tragic hero, not so much as a villain. She's introduced as a strong character with everything. Hell, maybe even a prodigy. Then of course, all of that gets taken away, becomes evil, and then meets her fate. And like with every classic tragic hero

Spoiler for last episode:

Thingle · 2008-12-26, 05:53

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta

While it seems its not just you, I disagree... Rather, it would be stranger, considering all of the developments so far, if Kagura could just suddenly kill the person she really treasured so easily. Well, it seems you are considering it easy to suddenly kill people dear to you...
More like, so a protagonist sucks because they can't kill off a person whenever they are told?
I guess in this case, you're hating Noriyuki because he couldn't decide to kill either his fiancee or good friend?

Yes pretty much so. Especially when their inactions cost lives. It seems that they cannot distinguish Zombie Yomi from Dear Yomi. That's a bit annoying given the context that they were supposed to be "professional" hunters.

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Chase · 2008-12-26, 06:03

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Originally Posted by Thingle

Yes pretty much so. Especially when their inactions cost lives. It seems that they cannot distinguish Zombie Yomi from Dear Yomi. That's a bit annoying.

lol yeah me too, it gets annoying if you dont atleast act after the first or even second time. Damn Kagura, atleast save your father

. But i forgive her, what she did or in this case didnt do didnt annoy more as it would have in other series for some reason. Yomi is ruthless as hell

Thingle · 2008-12-26, 06:06

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Originally Posted by Chase

. Yomi is ruthless as hell

Check the scared look on the directors face while she clutches her dead bodyguard/assistant

. That's the face of a woman who's about to get sword-pwned.

Chase · 2008-12-26, 06:19

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Originally Posted by Thingle

Check the scared look on the directors face while she clutches her dead bodyguard/assistant

. That's the face of a woman who's about to get sword-pwned.

yeah. I really felt bad for the director tho

, atleast she put up a great wheel chair fight.

Thingle · 2008-12-26, 06:22

I can just imagine Yomi's blade when it tears through the director's soft flesh.... Yum!

FateAnomaly · 2008-12-26, 21:52

Kinda weird. By Byakuei seem to be on the same level as Rangurren. Rangurren however is much more easier to use. It also have a range attack. Don't have to be controlled with a chain. User won't take damage from it being damaged. Seems to me like Rangurren is better.....

Thingle · 2008-12-26, 22:04

White dragon hasn't been broken in yet. Like those things in horses.

the_firefly · 2008-12-27, 02:18

Artwork for DVD 2:

Spoiler for click for pics:

Jinsoo · 2008-12-27, 03:13

Byakuei is considered to be the strongest spirit. I'm pretty sure the only reason why it has to be controlled with a chain and why the user also gets damaged as well is because it's so strong. There's always a price to pay when having the strongest spirit as a pet

Skyfall · 2008-12-27, 04:34

But with so many limitations, can it really be considered the strongest ? He might be 'stronger' on paper, but when it comes down to actual use his drawbacks bring it down to earth. For practical use, it is hard to imagine why anyone would prefer Byakuei over Ranguren. Theoretical power doesn't mean much if it is impossible to utilize it fully, more so when you put yourself on the line when doing so.

Hypernova · 2008-12-27, 06:15

The main issue is that its "forced" to work. Unlike Rangurren which acts more like a pokemon. The chains represent the soul bind between user and Byakuei and it severely limits it power.

Malkuth · 2008-12-27, 07:23

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Originally Posted by Thingle

White dragon hasn't been broken in yet. Like those things in horses.

Dragon? Isn't it a dog spirit?

Thingle · 2008-12-27, 07:26

Looks like a dragon to me...

Malkuth · 2008-12-27, 07:39

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Looks like a dragon to me...

Dragons usually have scales, not fur.

Also I vaguely recall that some said in the anime or I did read in the manga that it's an inukami (dog god/spirit).

scr · 2008-12-27, 15:04

yes, Byakuei is an inugami. and Nue (its name is Nue, not Ranguren) is a manticore. with multiple snakes as tails. how they get manticores in Japan is beyond my understanding. but then we have demonic jester as evil spirit.

Spoiler for image song:

Ga-Rei -Zero- is GREAT, yeah. *imagining doing this and that with Yomi*

**Klashikari** · 2008-12-27, 15:20

^ Huh...why would everyone in the anime call Yomi's beast as "Ranguren" then? *scratches head*
And if I'm not mistaken, Nue means chimera (or a mythical beast of the same kind).

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Chase Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007	Man i love this show(ive seen11 episodes so one more left), its my favorite of the season outside of Gundam 00 and Kannagi. I really hope they follow up with this. __________________ Currently Playing: Devil May Cry 4:SE The Witch and the Hundred Knight Battlefield 4

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Jinsoo KAGEYAMA!!! Artist Join Date: May 2006 Location: Internet Age: 33	True, Kagura's weak side and indecisiveness during crucial times got on my nerves a bit, but I can forgive her because not everybody is the typical I-CAN-KILL-WHATEVER-I-WANT shounen character. She was a fragile girl at heart to begin with. She matured a lot towards the end of the series. Yomi's the classic case of a tragic hero, not so much as a villain. She's introduced as a strong character with everything. Hell, maybe even a prodigy. Then of course, all of that gets taken away, becomes evil, and then meets her fate. And like with every classic tragic hero Spoiler for last episode: she realizes she messed up before her end. Not only that, realizes how much Kagura means to her.

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2008-12-27, 04:34	Link #794
Skyfall Lost in my dreams... Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 37	But with so many limitations, can it really be considered the strongest ? He might be 'stronger' on paper, but when it comes down to actual use his drawbacks bring it down to earth. For practical use, it is hard to imagine why anyone would prefer Byakuei over Ranguren. Theoretical power doesn't mean much if it is impossible to utilize it fully, more so when you put yourself on the line when doing so. __________________

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scr my sides are in orbit Join Date: Nov 2007	yes, Byakuei is an inugami. and Nue (its name is Nue, not Ranguren) is a manticore. with multiple snakes as tails. how they get manticores in Japan is beyond my understanding. but then we have demonic jester as evil spirit. Spoiler for image song: btw, after some Yawgmothian dealing with the legion of intarwebz, i manage to procure the image album. it's amusingly titled Yuri~mu Croquette, and Yomi x Kagura image song is especially interesting. there are 3 versions of it, one sung by "Kagura", one sung by "Yomi", and the last one is sung as duet. reminds me of Ar Tonelico 2 (a game with delicious subtext-y yuri, not obvious until the final battle. does this reminds you of anything?) Ga-Rei -Zero- is GREAT, yeah. imagining doing this and that with Yomi __________________ If there's a Final Fantasy game that I must put my personal seal of disapproval on, it's Crisis Core. I mean, just look at how this Genesis Rhapsodos dude is raping the canon. It's bad. As in, fanfiction bad.

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Hypernova Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virgo Supercluster, Milky Way, Orion Arm, Sol, Earth, Taiwan Age: 38	At least Kagura learns from her experience. I felt Shinji stayed a whiny pussy from start to finish. And I need to see more of Rebuild to see if that has really changed.

2008-12-26, 06:22	Link #789
Thingle Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Imperial Manila, Philippines	I can just imagine Yomi's blade when it tears through the director's soft flesh.... Yum!

2008-12-26, 21:52	Link #790
FateAnomaly Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	Kinda weird. By Byakuei seem to be on the same level as Rangurren. Rangurren however is much more easier to use. It also have a range attack. Don't have to be controlled with a chain. User won't take damage from it being damaged. Seems to me like Rangurren is better.....

2008-12-26, 22:04	Link #791
Thingle Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Imperial Manila, Philippines	White dragon hasn't been broken in yet. Like those things in horses.

2008-12-27, 03:13	Link #793
Jinsoo KAGEYAMA!!! Artist Join Date: May 2006 Location: Internet Age: 33	Byakuei is considered to be the strongest spirit. I'm pretty sure the only reason why it has to be controlled with a chain and why the user also gets damaged as well is because it's so strong. There's always a price to pay when having the strongest spirit as a pet

2008-12-27, 06:15	Link #795
Hypernova Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virgo Supercluster, Milky Way, Orion Arm, Sol, Earth, Taiwan Age: 38	The main issue is that its "forced" to work. Unlike Rangurren which acts more like a pokemon. The chains represent the soul bind between user and Byakuei and it severely limits it power.

2008-12-27, 07:26	Link #797
Thingle Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Imperial Manila, Philippines	Looks like a dragon to me...

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