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I'm not going to carry this on, because i already said why i was standing up for Fatina and that's done. I also do not agree with the Kaaya bashing, though expect a Kaaya fan who dislikes Fatina to jump on me just because i was defending her. Anyway, hopefully all this talk will finish soon, and we can actually discuss the show, and not who Jil will end up, who he belongs with, and who he has feelings for. This is not a 100% romance show people.
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2009-01-12, 12:09 | Link #322 | |
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l will agree with you on this note, it be nice to discuss about the actual show and not just who will end with who, no matter how obvious the pairing at the end will be. Quote:
Where has the fatina bashing come from exactly? No one is calling fatina names or wishing the worse for her, like some are doing so for kaaya. Yes he is being a hypocrite by the fact that he is only calling out those who are attacking fatina's character and not kaaya's....how is that so hard to understand? speaking of level of fanaticism it's funny how it can be used the other way, as to how jilxfatina are at such the same level that they are making something out of nothing. |
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2009-01-12, 12:16 | Link #324 | |
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& my character? Since when have i made a post saying i like Fatina over Kaaya, or the other way round? Never, that's what. Wonderful. I come into the thread trying to make peace so we can actually start talking about the show, and i get labeled a hypocrite for doing nothing wrong.
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2009-01-12, 12:28 | Link #325 | |
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I'll try to make it clear as possible....l enter a room where there are to sides arguing about which is better chocolate pudding or tapioca. I am being a hypocrite and on top of that showing favoritisim by "Instead of blah,blah tapioca pudding, blah, blah, let's give it a try" by doing this l am preaching only to those tapioca bashers and totally ignoring those who are bashing chocolate pudding. That to me comes looking to be a hypocrite |
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2009-01-12, 12:37 | Link #326 |
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Hypocrisy is when you preach something you don't actually believe. Or in this situation, say something that contradicts your own actions. Shiroth is asking for bashing to stop, but he has not once bashed anyone, therefore he is not a hypocrite. Fatina bashing is more prominent and frequent, since it all stems from the romance talk. The Kaaya bashing was limited to wishing her death a while ago, now people are mostly stating actual facts (the fact she betrayed Jil) rather than say wishing that she'd die so it's not really bashing anymore.
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2009-01-12, 12:46 | Link #327 |
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I'm throwing my opinion out there. It's actually more of a repeat of something I posted earlier in this thread.
While it is possible that the default JilxKaaya will prevail, I can easily predict/envision that Kaaya will be killed off/sacrificed. The fact that Ahmey, until further notice of potential rebirth, died in the first season is a testament that they will not go the route of saved by the power of plot. And all the thoughts on Fatina not being into Jil is kind of iffy. While you can look at it that way, I believe she is infatuated with Jil but due to lack of response to the affection that is there, it comes off as she's just trying to use him as a stepping stone back into her own life. Honestly, in my opinion, we got better interaction between JilxFatina in that one episode they were alone, then JilxKaaya did for the majority of the first season. Ultimately though... And this is the honest truth... The correct pairing should be a harem pairing. Jil deserves to have both Kaaya and Fatina fawning over him and cooking for him, wearing nothing but aprons with nothing else underneath. Because, when you help deliver the death blow to a dragon and a god, even if it's a weak god, you best get some. |
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2009-01-12, 13:12 | Link #329 |
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I'm going to be glad when the second episode airs... maybe then we can get back to talking about the plot and not just who Jil's going to end up with (assuming he ends up with anyone at all)
anyone else agree with me here, about wanting the second episode already? *ducks as the shippers start throwing things at me*
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Although this might be way impossible and might actually kill the ending...if Kaaya died....l would like something like this to happen... "Present time, you see all the main characters living their new daily modern lives like you see in both s1&s2 OP. Quote:
as to the reason why l think fatina is so opposed into climbing again is probably because she is afraid of seeing neeba is more likely. .................... :::throws wet cucumbers at Magin::: :::: |
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2009-01-12, 13:57 | Link #331 | |
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2009-01-12, 14:27 | Link #332 |
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The same goes for the impression that Kaaya left when she betrayed her party and went with Neeba. I would say that stings more than a mere attitude problem, and would require more than character development to rectify. I'm not surprised why she's being criticized so.
But really now, this is just the first episode. There are still questions that have to be answered, and until we get the answers to those we cannot determine what kind of repercussions will befall the characters. For now, there's a new quest, a new purpose to climb all over again. Only this time, with personal issues to resolve. |
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2009-01-12, 14:55 | Link #334 | |
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I've already stated that a lot of soul searching and no doubt heated arguments between Fatina and Jil are necessary before they figure themselves out. So I'll be over here, with the grown-ups. |
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2009-01-12, 16:02 | Link #336 | |
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I'm saying before they figure whether they like each other or not, they need a lot of soul searching and presumably, discussions (more likely arguments) before they figure themselves out. |
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2009-01-12, 19:06 | Link #337 | ||
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Just to rehash the stereotypical response of women/man holding their spouse back in times of war as a hypothesis for selfishness is largely false and untrue. To make things easier as a viewer you are only watching it from one angle or perspective which is jil. As a fan of visual novel watching story unfold from multiple angle gives a sense of understanding and sympathy. From Jil perspective it looks like a betrayal, if we however watched it from Kaaya perspective it could undoubtedly be love or a sense of protection/motherly love either way Kaaya is a victim of circumstance. Quote:
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2009-01-12, 19:43 | Link #338 | |
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2009-01-12, 21:08 | Link #340 | |
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Protection or motherly love... So she wants a momma's boy as a lover? Might as well put Jil in a rubber room so he can't hurt himself. I mean it's in his best interests right? I've never had a girlfriend who would do what Kaaya did. Hell I don't even know any girlfriends or wives who would act like her selfishly. Not if they were worth a damn in their relationships. And I've known a few who've served in the Army and Navy.... -shakes his head-
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