2009-02-04, 06:01 | Link #3401 | |
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No really, I bet whatever you want that the 90% of Suzaku hate is because of the aforementioned reason: opposing Lelouch. He was pretty bad-written in R2, but as the character as a whole, I don't see anything THIS bad in him. If i had to say, worst written character in CG, it'd be surely Marianne. Also V.V. was used pretty badly, compared to how important was his role in triggering the events that lead to the actuall plot. Shota fanservice? XD Gino could list as an useless add, but is not that unlikeable either... the other series IDK, I haven't watched any of those... ° ° |
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2009-02-04, 06:19 | Link #3402 | |
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Did you make that pic on your own? |DD;; Well, he got another purpose though:: Spoiler for spoiler for Gino's purpose number 2:
Seriously though, i think that Gino had a tiny ball to play on the character-field in R2, compared to other characters, woo-hoo. It is just he did not have any huge {none} effect/impact on someone, so that he could at least be considered semi-important character. Then again so many called important characters {see Marianne} had zero development as well {or more like alien-development} so yeah. I think a lot of charas got into the weird-chara elevator in R2. :x Last edited by Hellychan; 2009-02-04 at 13:31. Reason: http://forums.animesuki.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_rules_1_2 |
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2009-02-04, 06:29 | Link #3403 | |
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Plus, for me, there was the Nunnally factor, in that Rolo was not only her replacement in everyone else's mind, but also that he actually wanted Lelouch to forget about her existence so he could be his only sibling. If Lelouch only knew that was why Rolo murdered Shirley... |
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2009-02-04, 07:33 | Link #3404 |
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Didn't Taniguchi or Okouchi say that Gino's sole purpose was to be friends with Suzaku so he could have some friends.
Oh and if theirs a worse character poll than I vote Marianne. That was as bad as David Arquette plot from WCW. Suzaku: IT'S THE ULTIMATE SWERVE |
2009-02-04, 08:20 | Link #3405 |
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Marianne was at the very same time, too much and nothing.
Her character is a pile of contraddicting elements that left you quite clueless at the person she might have been. She was probably a loving mother and a loving wife, she was surely a very admirable and skilled soldier, she was a source of inspiration for people around her, and an utopist, it seems... ...but her cameback, it shatters all of this, as she showed an indifference toward Nunnaly's fate and blindness toward her son's thoughts and emotions that leaves you with the impression of a selfish woman, full of herself, and quite mindfucked by her husband's wish to play the Antichrist. All of this in barely ONE episode. Other CG characters suffered from bad writing but IMO none compares to Marianne in terms of the proportion 'relevance to the plot/lack of proper writing' |
2009-02-04, 08:35 | Link #3406 | |
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2009-02-04, 08:41 | Link #3407 |
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yeah, there's a lot of things rushed in CG but Marianne is the one that was ruined the most.
"ah, Lelouch, so you know, your mummy doesn't give a crap about you. Now let's talk about something else.." ".. but.. ;_;..mama.... oh well, agreed. Let's go on with the rest" it went more or less like this. :/ Jokes aside, having his beloved mother 'against' him surely had a big impact on Lelouch's final resolution, but given the importance that getting revenge for mama had always had for him, the plot twist should have been handled a lot better. |
2009-02-04, 08:59 | Link #3408 | |
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2009-02-04, 10:10 | Link #3409 |
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Poor Gino. His purpose other than catch Kallen and potential love interest for Kallen, is a sunshine beside gloomy Suzaku or just an addition of good-looking guys in KoR. Did anyone remember Rivalz? But both can't be considered as worst character.
Well, Kazuki of Dragonaut is the perfect example for the worst character. You will know why if you ever watch the anime Suzaku and Gino is nowhere compared to him as worst character
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2009-02-04, 10:34 | Link #3410 |
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Well, unless we have about 30+ Geass voters. Geass will win only in three catagories, Storyline, Male Character, and Worst character.
Btw. When will I get my C.C. X Lulu win outside of magazines? They didn't win the moe tournament. D= -rambles to self-
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2009-02-04, 12:47 | Link #3411 | |
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Originally Kallen would have been confronted by her chichi (papa) and confronted on her two identities and forced to truly pick one over the other. That didn't work out in R2 with the many, many changes to the show. They used the one character who had no constant to do the same thing sorta but not nearly to the same level. His questioning of Kallen's commitment was pretty lackluster and it wasn't really questioning. He just said some mean things about the Japanese. But his overall character was inserted for CLAMP to decorate Suzaku, from that point they used him in certain situations instead of adding new characters. Only problem with that is he became inconsistent and flaky. But his character role was to decorate Suzaku. He's not a bad character. He's an unneeded character. Can say the same for all of the KoR, maybe not Bismark. |
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2009-02-04, 12:50 | Link #3412 | |
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I would probably say, he is a "necessary-un-needed" character. |
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2009-02-04, 12:58 | Link #3413 |
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To be honest, I do not see all this inconsistency in Gino.
He's a superficial boy of seventeen, of noble upbringing, with quite good pilot skills, and extroverted nature. He has no real plot for himself, but he doesn't really affect anything negatively. He's a nice, normal guy, standing in the background. Not everybody has to be on the spotlight or offer great character dept when this is not required by the plot. Sure, he was unneeded, like the majority of -maybe all?- R2-only characters, but when it comes to he himself, he's quite a nice character overall, and used - for the little he is used, coherently. The very small character development he has for himself doesn't bugger me at all. |
2009-02-04, 13:01 | Link #3414 |
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I never particularly minded Gino, but it's hard to deny that they could have removed him from the plot and very little would have changed. Basically, they would have needed someone else catch Kallen, and that's it. His interactions w/ Kallen and Suzaku never really went anywhere.
Oh well. youngde, signing off.
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2009-02-04, 13:02 | Link #3415 | |
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If you look at his following japanese fans its not because he had a role in show He has fans because he was in an interview called possibly gay ~ for fans it means he's gay. Most of his fans are yaoi fans. ~i think now the others are ginya fans. ~ginokare fandom kinda fell apart with the poem. i think it was the poem may be something else. He has no fans for being important. So is he really necessary? |
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2009-02-04, 13:11 | Link #3417 | |
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It is one thing to "like" a character and a whole other to "love" another chara. I just like Gino, not much, but i do. I do not think that he was totally un-needed in the show. He was just not important. Like, at all. |
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2009-02-04, 13:55 | Link #3418 |
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If it weren't for Luciano, Bismark, and Marianne.
Gino would probably be at the top of the list of most fail. Fortunately for him unlike the other three above he got two minutes of development and he didn't die as quickly as he showed up with an inglorious death.
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2009-02-04, 14:55 | Link #3419 | |
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I love almost all the characters, including Gino, and since we all know that R2 wasn't nearly as awesome as it could have been, I'm only really annoyed at the Marianne thing.
I mean, even Clovis admired her. xD Speaking of Clovis... Quote:
Omg! Someone mentioned him! Someone mentioned him! *dies of happiness* ... Ah, being a fangirl is fun. xD Actually, I already got very interested in Clovis before I listened to the side material. I admit that when he first appeared, I simply thought: "Hm... interesting" and didn't immediately start squealing over him (even though I thought he looked kind of hot). And when he was shot, I was too fascinated by the anime itself to think much about it. But then there were the paintings. When Euphie commented on the "gentle colours" her brother likd, I knew the staff wanted to tell us something. And then I saw the painting of Marianne, Lelouch and Nunally, and I got the feeling that I missed the oppurtunity to fangirl a very interesting character. Then, finally, Cornelia stated that Clovis designed a garden after Aries' Imperial Villa "even though he always used to argue with Lelouch there"... and I totally fell for him. It was to be expected that I would become a rabid fangirl as soon as the respective Sound Drama came to my attention. It's so sweet and sad and it shows that Clovis didn't only genuinely love Lelouch, but also used to understand a lot about him. Maybe I'm overanalyzing, but as I see it, he was an awesome older brother and very tragic character. And even though Sunrise could have gone a bit deeper into that in the anime, I'm quite satisfied with how they portrayed him as a whole. Still, I want Clovis in the "most hated character" poll. He deserves the attention. xD
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2009-02-04, 16:01 | Link #3420 | |
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No one makes a film that tries to give Hitler depth so why the hell would you try with Charles? |
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