Character Discussion - C.C

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

So, will C.C and Lulu ever see each other again in C's World? Or will she never ever die, 'cause that's sad.

No one knows for sure. The point is that C.C was smiling in the end, because Lelouch treated her like equal--human being.

About the future, unless there is a sequel or something, as far as speculation goes, anything is on the table. {and not at the same time}

[Akakishi]

Originally Posted by incorrupts

No one knows for sure. The point is that C.C was smiling in the end, because Lelouch treated her like equal--human being.

About the future, unless there is a sequel or something, as far as speculation goes, anything is on the table. {and not at the same time}

Specs (about the future) C.C & Lulu on the table in their house

[Quiet Lurker]

I cannot believe that this hasn't be proposed before.

The completion of Zero Requiem necessitates Lelouch's death, the main reason why many fans believe Lelouch to be alive is due to C.C. seemingly talking to Lelouch in the end.

However, C.C. is known to address Lelouch out loud even when she is alone; case and point: When Lelouch is about to get assassinated, C.C. was praying for him in the church. "Lelouch... as the price of casting Geass on other people, you... [Tear drop]"

So why is C.C. happy and claiming not to be alone in the end even when Lelouch died?
Because she is carrying Lelouch's child!

As a mother, C.C. is not be alone; with a child, she has something to live for.
In the end Lelouch has fulfilled his promise to make her smile.

[Grey Dawn]

Except Lelouch never considered the possibility of having CC as a lover, so thats impossible.

[Frostfire]

Originally Posted by Grey Dawn

Except Lelouch never considered the possibility of having CC as a lover, so thats impossible.

And officially died a virgin... but don't let that stop you. Didn't stop the Virgin Marry.

... I also want to say that C.C. having a child while still immortal may be more detrimental than good. Most mortal parents can't stand the thought of possibly outliving their children, in her case she's going to live every waking day with the knowledge that she's going to outlive her child.

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by Quiet Lurker

As a mother, C.C. is not be alone; with a child, she has something to live for.
In the end Lelouch has fulfilled his promise to make her smile.

Or the fact, that he treated her as an equal human being and reminded her how real contact between two people is.
And the fact, that C.C can come to appreciate immortality if she gets the chance to meet people like Lelouch for example.

There are other ways, that were indicated actually within the series, that can make C.C smile other than "supposed sex".

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by Quiet Lurker

I cannot believe that this hasn't be proposed before.

The completion of Zero Requiem necessitates Lelouch's death, the main reason why many fans believe Lelouch to be alive is due to C.C. seemingly talking to Lelouch in the end.

However, C.C. is known to address Lelouch out loud even when she is alone; case and point: When Lelouch is about to get assassinated, C.C. was praying for him in the church. "Lelouch... as the price of casting Geass on other people, you... [Tear drop]"

So why is C.C. happy and claiming not to be alone in the end even when Lelouch died?
Because she is carrying Lelouch's child!

As a mother, C.C. is not be alone; with a child, she has something to live for.
In the end Lelouch has fulfilled his promise to make her smile.

rofl! xD
Even though I really don't think so, it's at least an interesting idea. It's original and amusing, and I actually could see Sunrise pulling something like that if they wanted to make a third season and had no idea how to properly replace Lelouch.
But until something like that happens, I'm convinced Lelouch died a virgin (except if he and Suzaku ran out of things to do, of course).
I fangirl Lelouch and C.C. as accomplices, though, and I firmly believe that she didn't need a child from him in order to be happy. It's enough for her that he gave her back her humanity and genuinely loved her (and before anyone tries to jump me: there are different kind of love), and she is happy that Lelouch got the "happy ending" he wished for.

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

rofl! xD
Even though I really don't think so, it's at least an interesting idea. It's original and amusing, and I actually could see Sunrise pulling something like that if they wanted to make a third season and had no idea how to properly replace Lelouch.
But until something like that happens, I'm convinced Lelouch died a virgin (except if he and Suzaku ran out of things to do, of course).
I fangirl Lelouch and C.C. as accomplices, though, and I firmly believe that she didn't need a child from him in order to be happy. It's enough for her that he gave her back her humanity and genuinely loved her (and before anyone tries to jump me: there are different kind of love), and she is happy that Lelouch got the "happy ending" he wished for.

Well yeah, love doesn't have a singular meaning, in the sense that it isn't merely confined to only one idea.
I think that the "equal" term the staff used to describe how Lelouch sees C.C, is more partnership love, in like, he could always confide in her and trust her.

I can't know if that could potentially bloom into romantic love given more time {since Lelouch died} but personally, i do not think it would. Then again, no one can ever be sure. In the end, we get what we get within the series.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Quiet Lurker

I cannot believe that this hasn't be proposed before.

The completion of Zero Requiem necessitates Lelouch's death, the main reason why many fans believe Lelouch to be alive is due to C.C. seemingly talking to Lelouch in the end.

However, C.C. is known to address Lelouch out loud even when she is alone; case and point: When Lelouch is about to get assassinated, C.C. was praying for him in the church. "Lelouch... as the price of casting Geass on other people, you... [Tear drop]"

So why is C.C. happy and claiming not to be alone in the end even when Lelouch died?
Because she is carrying Lelouch's child!

As a mother, C.C. is not be alone; with a child, she has something to live for.
In the end Lelouch has fulfilled his promise to make her smile.

In addition to what others have already said, C.C carrying Lelouch's child would kinda cheapen the whole thing between her and Lelouch. Banging Lulu or starting a family with him was never C.C's intention and it is really far deeper than that.

[Levy]

Beside what others have already said, I've always been persuaded that the Immortals in Code, being in the 'suspension' of life they are, are prevented from having offsprings, morevover with mortals. But that's just me.
As far as I know, there's no side infos about the physiology of code bearers, if not the fact that they do not age and that their body can regenerate quite quickly if damaged - aka, what is shown in the series.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by Quiet Lurker

I cannot believe that this hasn't be proposed before.

The completion of Zero Requiem necessitates Lelouch's death, the main reason why many fans believe Lelouch to be alive is due to C.C. seemingly talking to Lelouch in the end.

However, C.C. is known to address Lelouch out loud even when she is alone; case and point: When Lelouch is about to get assassinated, C.C. was praying for him in the church. "Lelouch... as the price of casting Geass on other people, you... [Tear drop]"

So why is C.C. happy and claiming not to be alone in the end even when Lelouch died?
Because she is carrying Lelouch's child!

As a mother, C.C. is not be alone; with a child, she has something to live for.
In the end Lelouch has fulfilled his promise to make her smile.

ugh, just ugh I mean that would be the stupidest example of fandom appeasment ever

Code Geass wasn't a action romance series, Lelouch himself was too busy to really love anyone, and that would be as stupid as the time Flay and Kira got it on.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

ugh, just ugh I mean that would be the stupidest example of fandom appeasment ever

Code Geass wasn't a action romance series, Lelouch himself was too busy to really love anyone, and that would be as stupid as the time Flay and Kira got it on.

what was stupid about it ?
what about it didnt make sense in the context of flay using kira ?

[rave]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

I fangirl Lelouch and C.C. as accomplices, though, and I firmly believe that she didn't need a child from him in order to be happy.

The only thing C.C needed from Lelouch is seeing him suffering because that made her own pain easier.It was clearly stated.

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by rave

The only thing C.C needed from Lelouch is seeing him suffering because that made her own pain easier.It was clearly stated.

Oh come on rave, lol. :x
That might be one of the parameters of how C.C felt when she saw Lelouch suffering. It was not everything, not at all. If it was only about this, then she would not cry in the end now, would she? She would bring pop-corn along, and enjoy the "show" with the crowd. |DD; {and speaking of, if we want to be fair, she have warned Lelouch before hand, that Geass is gonna make his road lonesome but anyway}

The main point of her relationship with Lelouch, is that their contract-bond, evolved into a human-equal one. A strong bond, that is between two people that trust and can confide in each other.

[Levy]

Originally Posted by incorrupts

The main point of her relationship with Lelouch, is that their contract-bond, evolved into a human-equal one. A strong bond, that is between two people that trust and can confide in each other.

When she first appeared in front of Lelouch, C.C. was like a divinity bestowing an unimmaginable power onto him. But he didn't saw her like that, not even at the very start. He kept on treating her like a normal human being -and, later on, as someone he truly cared about - and this is a further proof of wich kind of uncommon human being Lelouch is.
He did not feared nor blamed neither worship C.C., he simply accepted her into his own world, and with this, he gave her back the 'humanity' she has lost. They mutually helped each other to get back their dignity and self-confidence, and what you said about their bond evolving it's perfectly right. It could have easily take another, more unbalanced direction (worship or hate or both) but Lelouch's nature prevented this. =)

ah, rave, S&M is totally sexy. Totally.

[yvj]

XD

Rave is the Luciano Bradley of the Kalulu Empire.

Spoiler for Thoughts on C.C Lelouch relationship:

Admittedly I'm not her biggest fan. I firmly believe she screwed Mao over and her keeping the secrets of Charles and Marianne from Lelouch is either a bad plot device a solid case of C.C being a "witch" or both.

But hey Lelouch got over that anyway XD

But and it pains me to say she most likely knew Lelouch more than anyone else. (Hey she managed to play Zero without people noticing) not only was she in on his schemes. but she had knowledge of his origins (his parents)

So she was aware of the whom what, why, and when, of Lelouch. Though he still continued to surprise her at the end. And she was a solid line of support for Lelouch when Nunnally showed up.

In a way C.C was Lelouch's sort of therapist. In the beginning she was an objective spectator into his life. Most of the series she was the only one he was willing to burden with the "real Lelouch." He let her into his life and through his interactions with her he was able to sort through his problems as they came without having to rely solely on himself.

He didn't want to ruin Nunnaly's impression of her brother and of her ideal world, Suzaku knew Lelouch's ambition but never truly how far he would go for it, then he became Lelouch's enemy so Lelouch could never confide in him. Kallen might have had potential as she was a soldier and former terrorist and their goals were similar but he ended up not wanting to corrupt her (in regards of being a demon) and she didn't have a grasp of the big picture. Shirley was part of his peaceful Ashford life and I'm sure that's where he wanted her to remain.

So C.C was the only he could bounce off of. IMO he placed her in his complete confidence at first because she was an immortal witch. Not in spite of.

As an immortal witch with no humanity who must have seen most of everything humans had to offer good or evil. She didn't have any cause to judge him on actions or lecture on morality, peace, war. She couldn't make him feel guilty or hurt him by severing connections with him when she realized how "evil" he was. (Which is something Nunnaly did)

Then we have the "Witch and Warlock." Lelouch knew at that point he was going down the demon path to complete his goals. He was essentially going to become a monster. So he's basically saying "hey C.C in society's eyes we're both monsters so we might as well hang out"

The connection between Lelouch and C.C as equals was one that started in terms of equality in "monsterhood." Ironically though it is one of the more human relationship created in the show because what is more human than seeking out those similar to you?

IMO (I'm sure there are other valid points on when this occurred) C.C's humanity didn't truly come forward until the "hey I'm here for you" moment after Lelouch was pimp slapped by Schniezel who had Nunnally show up.

I know it might make some people upset. But I kind of see Lelouch and C.C's relationship as that of Aladdin and the Genie (the Disney movie)

Aladdin stumbles upon the genie who helps him transform into Prince Ali so he go about his objective of wooing Princess Jasmine. Unlike the Genie's other masters Aladdin doesn't treat the Genie as a tool but as a genuine friend, and in the end he even grants Genie freedom from the lamp and his eternal servitude.

Originally Posted by Levy

ah, rave, S&M is totally sexy. Totally.

[Nogitsune]

Aw!
Reading the last few postings made me happy. xD
*hugs everyone*

Just one thing, because I'm a rabid fangirl...

Originally Posted by yvj

But and it pains me to say she most likely knew Lelouch more than anyone else. (Hey she managed to play Zero without people noticing) not only was she in on his schemes. but she had knowledge of his origins (his parents)

That was probably true until Lelouch set Zero Requiem in motion, but after that, it was Suzaku who truly knew all of Lelouch's faces, including the proud bitter child he once was.
C.C. might have had a very good idea about that, but she didn't really interact with him back then. Nunally might have come close, too, but even es a child, Lelouch kept some things from her in order to protect her and ensure her happiness.

Other than that, though... I completely agree.
Lelouch and C.C. had a very deep bond, and even though there are some differences, I actually like the Aladdin comparison. xD

[Levy]

yvj, you might be not a great fan of C.C. but your analysys is very good indeed. =)

and yes, I do like to be bitchslapped by icy looking women squeezed in a white latex suit, decored with straps
also, now I have this Christina Aguilera/C.C. superposition in my head and I truly thank you for that <3

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by Levy

When she first appeared in front of Lelouch, C.C. was like a divinity bestowing an unimmaginable power onto him. But he didn't saw her like that, not even at the very start. He kept on treating her like a normal human being -and, later on, as someone he truly cared about - and this is a further proof of wich kind of uncommon human being Lelouch is.
He did not feared nor blamed neither worship C.C., he simply accepted her into his own world, and with this, he gave her back the 'humanity' she has lost. They mutually helped each other to get back their dignity and self-confidence, and what you said about their bond evolving it's perfectly right. It could have easily take another, more unbalanced direction (worship or hate or both) but Lelouch's nature prevented this. =)

ah, rave, S&M is totally sexy. Totally.

Hmm Lelouch didn't treat her as an human at the start. It was stated that he firstly saw her as a sort of alien, not as a woman (so by extent, as an human being), thus why he didn't have any problem to see her half naked or to change in front of her.

He ended up to see her as an human, yes, but it as basically not the case. Thus the contract who became a promise between two humans.

Oh and LOL a the Aladdin parallel.
CC as the genie Awesome !

[Eliarine]

Nice parallel...but I just imagined the Genie kissing Aladdin and I'm not sure I needed that.