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View Poll Results: -Your- picks for the best songs in Macross Frontier [Multiple-pick Option Enabled] | |||
Welcome To My FanClub's Night! | 67 | 21.34% | |
Shinkuu no Diamond Crevasse | 108 | 34.39% | |
Aimo ~Tori no Hito | 83 | 26.43% | |
Infinity | 84 | 26.75% | |
Diamond Crevasse ~Sheryl Only♥ | 184 | 58.60% | |
Northern Cross | 150 | 47.77% | |
Anata no Oto | 55 | 17.52% | |
Seikan Hikōu | 82 | 26.11% | |
Yousei | 98 | 31.21% | |
Ai Oboete Imasu ka ~Ranka | 76 | 24.20% | |
Watashi no Kare wa Pilot | 30 | 9.55% | |
Lion | 165 | 52.55% | |
Diamond Crevasse 50/50 | 36 | 11.46% | |
Aoi no Ether | 49 | 15.61% | |
Neko Nikki | 20 | 6.37% | |
Nyan Nyan Service Medley | 101 | 32.17% | |
What 'bout my star?@Formo | 109 | 34.71% | |
Triangler ~ Maaya Sakomoto | 71 | 22.61% | |
Iteza☆Gogo Kuji Don't be late | 88 | 28.03% | |
What 'bout my star? ~Sheryl | 78 | 24.84% | |
Aimo OC | 52 | 16.56% | |
Triangular - Duet - | 93 | 29.62% | |
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2009-04-15, 04:56 | Link #1641 |
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Diamond Crevasse = World Peace
Okay, I have to agree with Sec - May'n's CDs sold more which would reflect that we would vote for her songs too right? The audience bought the CDs that had the songs that they like, and it's pretty consistent in that case. BUT let's not judge the comments in Nico Video. I reckon that if an English community also sees that video, you will see the same "that's too low!" etc because fans who are disgruntled just speak louder. If you comment on a low-ranking song something like, "this song is just in the right spot", it looks like you're not really adding to the discussion. If you say something like, "it's at the right spot, it's low (because it sucks)", then you're being mean. The only positive thing to do, which seems to add to discussion, is to say, "it's too low (because of this and that)!" If they say that it's because we have bad taste, then that's their call. Anyone can say as much about anyone who doesn't like their own taste in music. It's nothing to be upset about. EDIT: The upcoming Yoko Kanno concert is going to include May'n and Megumi in it. http://gabrielarobin.com/1643/yoko-k...rmation-almost Last edited by mike_s_6; 2009-04-15 at 06:49. |
2009-04-15, 08:35 | Link #1643 | |
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As for your points, C.A., you just didn't understand I was being facetious: obviously, it is a matter of taste. I hate most indian music (can't stand the singing voices, most of the time) and my wife hates japanese music (also can't stand the singing), but my daughter actually loves both. No need to wonder how each style of regional song would do internationally - it would just reflect what we have right now, depending on the individual and the mass media drive. One could also make a (valid) point that the lyrics are accompaniment to the songs - the melodies themselves are what draw most people towards them. If a song has a GREAT set of lyrics, but only a mediocre melody, it probably won't attract all that much attention in the first place - unless you're someone like Bob Dylan, who makes discreet accompaniment to his awesome lyrics. Finally, math is represented with universal symbols, not in native languages. That's not up to discussion, as we're not talking about enunciation of problems, here, but about the language itself.
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2009-04-15, 09:47 | Link #1644 | |
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And you cannot argue with that, we all know how the shipping went here and how biased this subforum is. The ranking results show that the bottom 10 is mostly Ranka and the top 10 is mostly Sheryl. @ BetoJR: Yes its definitely taste. Because Macross is more or less created in Japan for Japanese audience, the music is created to appeal to them the best and they should judge it fairer than foreign audience. From a musical standpoint, its quite obvious that Sheryl's music would cater to international audience better than Ranka's. Its not Sheryl's songs are better composed or Ranka's are worse, they are from the same composer anyway. You can say foreign audience are not appreciating the music the same way as Japanese and most likely not appreciating as much because its not designed for international audience.
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2009-04-15, 13:01 | Link #1646 |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Alright guys, honestly just listen to what ever you want to. I actually enjoyed more Megumi songs than May'N songs but that doesn't effect how much I enjoy each song. You can call me bias and all but I wasn't a big fan of Iteza Gogo Kuji Don't be late, Infinity, Yousei and her version of What bout my star?. Now that doesn't mean they weren't good songs but they weren't my favorite.
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2009-04-15, 13:10 | Link #1647 | |
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What I see is both Nakajima and May'n's singles sold very well, both are doing great. Nakajima barely having a year of professional singing did exceptionionally well. May'n spending like 15 years of her life singing, she's definitely much better and she probably already has a good number of fans in the first place. I don't know, both are good, I don't see May'n defeating Nakajima or anything.
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2009-04-15, 14:31 | Link #1648 | ||
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You cannot separate music from the context in which it was experienced. Listening to Diamond Crevasse early in the series is naturally going to be a different experience from listening to Diamond Crevasse after seeing it in the context of episode twenty. So no judgment on the poll is based "purely on the music alone", nor is any judgment more authentic than another. When ever someone drops the s-word ("shipping"), it always seems to connote some kind of irrational behavior. But choosing your favorite song from a list is every bit as subjective as choosing your favorite pairing. I find it interesting that the duet version of "What 'bout my star" was significantly more popular than Sheryl's solo version on the poll. This result shouldn't make sense if people were voting based on character preferences. Quote:
The dichotomy between "local" and "international" audiences is an oversimplification. What's to say that any pair of individuals within these groups share anything in common in terms of how they experience the music? This separation neglects the broad spectrum of diverse (regional and individual) cultural tastes to create the illusion of two uniform groups with identical preferences. At it's core, this discussion of "who is the fairest judge of musical quality" is a struggle to reconcile our beliefs of what "ought" to be valued by others with what is valued by others. On one hand, we have our individual opinions, and on the other, we have the poll. Neither is at odds with the other. If May'n is "definitely much better", then it should be unremarkable that her songs have so many votes. |
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2009-04-15, 15:10 | Link #1649 | |
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That's so not the point. I, for one, just don't like being told that I'm not allowed to have my own opinion because I can't understand how japanese songs are supposed to work in their context. That's my pet peeve, for one. I don't really care about popularity polls or sales figures - as long as someone doesn't come around telling me I'm a biased westerner that doesn't know his left hand from his right.
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In all, this is a moot point. Like you said, both artists are enjoying a fair degree of success and I wish them both well. Just don't come here and say that I enjoy something rather than other because I cannot understand the words or the context better. It's preposterous, really.
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2009-04-15, 15:33 | Link #1650 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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And yes its a matter of taste, but taste is affected by all these reasons. And like I already mentioned about, they do agree May'n has most of the better music, but they think some songs like Seikan Hikou gets ranked too low because of bias, hate, not understanding what the song is about and stuff. They believe the song should be higher. I think the only one who gets this the most is BanishingBook, Seikan Hikou is underappreciated. I hate typing long debates, I think I'll stop here. I can type several thousand words of translations and stuff but damn debates, I just can't concentrate on such. I'd type it halfway and play games then return to finish it.
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To make things more complicated, no interpretation is static. Changes to a song's arrangement may reflect changes in the composer's interpretation of their own music over time. Likewise, every time that a musician performs a piece is unique, whether it be in how they produce their sound, or in how they improvise and play around with the music. These variations reflect changes in how the musician interprets the piece. Lastly, the audience responds to the music by framing it in terms of their own experiences, which are constantly changing. Together, the composer, musician, and audience actively participate in the experience and interpretation of music. You can't privilege any part of this process over the other. Quote:
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Give me Aoi no Ether or Anata no Oto - hell, even her covers like My Boyfriend's a Pilot and Ai Oboete Imasuka - any day over that poppy trash. This is my opinion, and you're welcome to disqualify it by calling me a biased westerner. I don't care. Quote:
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2009-04-15, 19:10 | Link #1656 | |
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Now you've done it. Let's see, this right here is your original post, right?
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2009-04-15, 19:49 | Link #1657 | |
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EDIT: Seikan Hikou was a good song...sorta. Thing is, it was a poppy idol song, even Yoko called it that. You know the kind of song you get hyped up over until it gets boring and annoying and, may I add, cheesy? Hell, I greatly prefer Aimo over this. The Ranka songs I liked were her covers on Ai Oboete Imasuka, Aimo O.C. , and her version on What 'bout my star. (Crap, FD is going to kill me. ). The ones I greatly dislike are Neko Nikki and Seikan Hikou. I just don't like the former and the latter just got cheesy in the short run. Thats just me though.
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2009-04-15, 22:23 | Link #1658 |
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@C.A. if you ever you think you are alone in this, you are not I'm afraid.
I agree with your points. For me they are rational and unobtrusive. I can't say so much about this matter or else it will take a long wall of text to explain how one's love of music has to be so intelligently dissected. But the mental breakdown from all this chatter digresses from enjoyment and I find that even simply liking has to be put in suspicion and tried and tried. Well anyhow, this is my short cake. Over and out. |
2009-04-16, 02:56 | Link #1660 | |
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And for the record my fav song in the series is Do You Remember Love: Bless the Little Queen so I guess your shipping theory goes flying out the window with me... that and Ranka's What About My Star are in my top 5. Aimo Birdman (waaaaay better than the original, o.c and sheryls) is another massive favorite of mine. Oh wait I forgot I'm biased |
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