2009-05-05, 16:12 | Link #61 |
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well looking at how hes been acting before, its pretty obvious he only really wants to go after certain people. it doesn't seem like him to kill innocent people just for following the leaf since they had nothing to do with his tragedy. He also didn't try to kill any of orochimaru's followers like Kabuto or Karin just because they followed Oro.
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2009-05-05, 16:32 | Link #62 | |||||||
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I guess we are going to completely ignore the whole Kisame saying that Tobi is Madara scene, not to mention Tobi saying that he was Madara; or the fact that Obito was only a few years older than Itachi, so it would be hard for him to be so much taller that Itachi during their brief flashback; or the fact that Minato and Jiraiya directly connected Tobi and Madara; etc...but, I'm bored, so I will play your little game .
Probably just jealousy of Sarutobi (remember, Orochimaru upped his experimentation due to the fact that someone else was chosen over him to become the 4th Hokage, so it is not like there is no precedent for a powerful figure to do "evil" things due to hurt pride and jealousy), or he could simply truly believes that he knows the "correct" path that Konoha should take. Quote:
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That being said, I can almost believe a connection between Danzou and Madara. They both seem to have similar MOs, etc. But, there is not sufficient reason to assume that they are the same person, and there is no real reason why Obito has to be resurrected. Quote:
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2009-05-05, 16:44 | Link #63 | |
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What you mention here for Naruto and Sasuke is quite general, it's Ok to compare Pain and Naruto in such a general matter. And both Pain and Naruto see the world's problem in such a way because they think of other people too, they can think of other people who all had the same fate as they were. But in case of Sasuke there's a fundamental difference, Sasuke is selfish, he only thinks about himself and his clan's destiny, for him other's simply don't matter. So if Naruto wants to talk with him he needs to get on a personal level and not just talk in general about pain, fate or whatever. And that's why i think Naruto must learn everything about Itachi, because Itachi is the most important person in Sasuke's life and therefore Sasuke's final decision about which side to join will be based on his understanding of Itachi's life and actions. So i think Naruto must ultimately convince Sasuke that Itachi's ideals were good (and that'll probably lead to Sasuke accepting to see the world through Itachi's eyes, i mean he gets EMS). Another reason why i think Itachi should be in the story is because he was one of the greatest characters of the manga, so he deserves a proper flashback where he finally is shown as a good guy who he really is. Also i think Danzou is nothing more than a disgusting plot device, so an emotional conversation between Sasuke and Naruto will not have Danzou as a subject, but Itachi will be a subject. |
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2009-05-05, 19:29 | Link #65 | |
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You're right though, there are alternatives to all the questions. Maybe I'm just holding Kishi to too high of a standard, but an eye just getting damaged in some unnamed battle (for a character who's power is directly connected to his eyes) seems odd when we had a whole speech on the trouble he went through to get the eyes he now has. Same with Rin, I'll be a bit ticked for her ever being created in the first place if nothing comes of it. I mean why have bothered? What really gets me is Tobi using that time/space technique, and Kakashi immediately comparing it to the fourths technique. It just seems like something that's going to come back as a flashback later, ugh. Yeah I do have trouble figuring out the motivations though. Danzou did sit back during pains attack, but he clearly wanted to use it as a chance to take over, not have everyone wiped out. Pain seemed to do that on a whim. As far as Tobi not ordering Konoha's destruction, good point. But ultimately Akasuki's stated goal does include the destruction of the five major hidden villages right? So whether he ordered it now, or is waiting, that's the end he has claimed to have in mind. Eh we'll see. If you have anything besides characters saying otherwise or Tobi being tall let me know. I'm would not be at all surprised to find Danzou is Madara or is working directly for Madara as you said, but the Obito thing is just a whim. I'm just trying to find if there is a reason it can't be true. |
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2009-05-06, 02:01 | Link #66 |
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Danzou isnt Madara. That's going too far.
First is Tobi Obito...then Danzou is Madara? While Madara was indeed the Mizukage.. Nahh. That means that Madara was all the time in Konoha? Shodai and Nidaime would've most certainly figured it out that Madara would be Danzou. They are not the same persons i know that for sure ...
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2009-05-06, 02:42 | Link #67 | |
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As for using lethal force in the village; yeah sure, there is a chance that someone might get hurt or even die from one of his moves, but it wouldn't be an intentional blow or murder. Just like the possibility of someone getting hurt by being too close to naruto’s battle. I can’t wait till he comes to the village; I’m going to remember everyone who kept saying hes going to walk around and massacre people and call them out on it. |
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2009-05-06, 06:08 | Link #68 |
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You know, I am kind of still wondering how Nagato eventually got those bodies. I the bodies that were controlled by the chakra receivers have got to have some intereaction with him in a later life.
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2009-05-06, 08:27 | Link #69 | |
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2009-05-06, 11:15 | Link #71 | ||
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Plus, Danzou only has one arm and it would be pretty ridiculous if he was just keeping his other arm hidden underneath his robes. Quote:
However, I do believe that Sasuke was serious about wanting to get revenge on everyone not just the elders. Seems unlikely that it was just to fool Madara since it seemed to make Madara even more skeptical when he said it. I think Sasuke fully intends to whack everyone in Konoha, but circumstances will play out so that Sasuke never gets the chance to completely carry out his revenge before Naruto finally beats..er, talks some sense into him. Similar to how Sasuke intended to kill Oro and Itachi, but he never carried out those executions not because he was merciful, but because the plot made it so that he couldn't.
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2009-05-06, 15:03 | Link #73 |
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So many theories and conspiracies, I can't keep up so I'll just continue to read the manga. Grassy knoll anyone? It sounds like a favorite hangout spot for many theorists (including me). I would be awesome if Danzou had a stroke, has a heart attack, or dies of old age I can't remember anyone in the manga who died of natural causes. Please, if you can remember let me know.
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2009-05-06, 16:18 | Link #74 |
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I'm guessing over-usage of the Rinnegan has exhausted him physically and now his body has been taking the toll. It would make sense since even if he does have unlimited chakra supply he would still require rest and nourishment and we have seen the six paths going to "sleep" in those capsule/pods back in the Jiraiya vs Pain arc, which means even God needs to rest himself occasionally.
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2009-05-06, 16:58 | Link #75 |
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Well there's also the fact that Madara ordered Pein to capture Naruto while Danzou killed the messenger frog to prevent Pein from capturing Naruto, which makes very little sense if they are the same person even if it is Madara we're talking about here.
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2009-05-06, 23:08 | Link #79 |
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Well I mean the reasons are pretty much there. The Chakra Receivers he stuck into himself while sitting in that wierd chair mechanism of his, has completely exhausted him throughout the usage of flowing chakra into those bodies. It's just like the reference made, when Naruto's demon cloak fully covers him, Naruto's life span will shorten. Same possibly goes for Nagato; the user probably can control it easily without any harm to himself if the Rinnengan isn't being imposed on any other activities. (Ex: Such as short/long-distance body control). I mean he just sits there.
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