2009-05-16, 03:50 | Link #21 | |
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IMO, it is the parents that teach the child how to act, and how to have a fair instinct while not curtailing the freedom of thought. The school should only assess the academic quality of the child. The media is neutral. If some kids who come from broken families, or played Duke Nukem at the age of 6 are able to find their way in life out of drugs and hardcore casual sex, why are kids with complete families not able to do the same? Is it due to reliance, or material substitution to the real care and concern the child actually needs?
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2009-05-16, 03:53 | Link #22 | |
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I believe that this thread is more about age than looks considering it does concern "child" porn/rape whatever.
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2009-05-16, 03:57 | Link #23 | |
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2009-05-16, 04:10 | Link #24 |
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I do see the potential benefits in banning this stuff. My concern is the question of whether any form of censorship that potentially stops deranged people, who potentially would have committed the crime without the material, from committing a crime that they haven't committed yet. For me, any form of censorship isn't a light law like a small tax. It is a big issue with potentially dire consequences of the state that the law is being passed in. So how can you justify such a big movement against something that is only potentially and unprovenly harmful and has not had a negative effect yet?
I am very against real child pornography. Not only is it disgusting, but it actually has a harmful effect. The justifiable reason for banning real child pornography is because of the child pornography trade going on. These children are hurt abused and raped for money that they almost never receive. It is as of yet impossible to prove that viewing child pornography makes you anymore inclined to have sex with a minor so that has no value in law, but child pornography does have an immediate and provable real world negative effect. I fail to see this real negative effect anywhere in drawn material outside of giving a few perverted otaku some more food for a while. Also, how does this influence children in any way? Not only do children have no access to this material, but they likely have no knowledge of it. Children do not learn how to punch a child from a video game. They learn how to punch a child and then play a video game in which that occurs. Sex and perversions as well are natural human occurrences that all people are exposed to before they reach adulthood. Children will see a bad act as no more wrong or right based simply on whether there is a fictitious animated game of the act being sold that they have likely never been exposed to. If they begin to see an act as right or wrong it is infinitely more likely that this will be due to real world experience. Even children, when sane, are able to distinguish between cartoons and reality. It is only the crazy among us who could possibly be motivated by any of this stuff. Crazy people can't be predicted anyway so what is the use? This game sounds disgusting, but it is fictitious and so I think that any needless and likely useless censorship is far more disgusting. Edit: god all of the posts in this thread are long it is like the claymore forums Last edited by danin8r44; 2009-05-16 at 04:29. |
2009-05-16, 04:13 | Link #25 | |
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So what about the media? To you, are they neutral or have an active part to play in this? When I played that game, I told myself, "Thank goodness the game is so lifelike and real so that it replaces the actual event in real life." "Morally questionable" entertainment aren't as bad as it seems. We should be glad that it exists so it can substitute the evil desires we want to enact out in real life.
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The medias play a part in it. The "CSA" is supposed to record the contents that are shown on TV, to see if the companies stay on the right track. Silly example: Like not braodcasting a porn movie at 3pm. There are also preventive actions in some paper. But the press in France is more free than people maybe think. You can find a lot of different opinions, and sometimes a paper can go against a state preventive actions. (example: stating that it will not work) Anyway, I don't really know what details you want.? So if you want some other details, be more precise and I will try to reply |
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2009-05-16, 08:28 | Link #28 |
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I never heard of "Serial killers", "Happy Slapping", "GHB Rape Drug" or "Violent game based - School shootings", even "Loituma" (or whatever it's called)
untill they were on the news So if any potential lunatic wants inspiration, no need to look furhter than the daily news
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2009-05-16, 08:56 | Link #29 |
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In the minds of many, rape is a fantasy (especially in Japan) fueled by our desire to dominate and control another (and note, it's not limited to men only).
A good portion of the pornography in japan revolves around some form of rape but the problem at hand here is not pornography but the depiction of rape in media. You can argue that it's fictional and people should discern reality and fiction but yet, we often model ourselves after fictional materials. Repeated exposure to them may numb the society towards such behaviour or even impose fictional ideals onto some people. While socially unacceptable in most culture, there's already an underlying levels of apathy to such cases especially in male dominated society. Makes me wonder if a greater exposure to such would further aggravate this problem. Influence of pornography on Teenagers Pornography and rape crime in Japan
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2009-05-16, 09:32 | Link #30 |
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I personally think that governments should spend the majority of their time trying to rid of real child abuse and exploitation, as opposed to these numerous parties trying to ban fictional sources such as Lolicon and various manga series'.
One can make anything they want out of a drawing. Characters in games and Doujins have no 'Birth Certificate' thus they do not have an age, nor do they have feelings or a nervous system to be able to feel pain and shame. Then of course there are the real incidents where feelings are hurt and lives are lost after hours and hours of brutal and sickening sessions. But no, instead they continue to stress over cute little blushing fictional girls that sit with their legs open...because they were drawn that way. I do understand that some governments detest the existence of such things as they state that it can "Promote" obvious results, but making speeches over animated girls with big eyes, wearing tight swimsuits, is just silly; especially when there are clearly much more monstous and horrible things going on in the real world. Things a lot more hideous. Nevertheless I do somewhat understand the governments' pledges to rid of such things as such demented drawings and games should not rightfully exist in the first place. In the future I assume that I will be arrested for having a Lucky Star artbook in my possession, knowing the silly direction of which the government is currently approaching. Nevermind the man down the road that has a camera full of "spying" content of the next door neighbours daughter...just pay your attention to my Lucky Star artbook. |
2009-05-16, 09:49 | Link #31 |
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Well, as I see it, it all boils down to the enforcement. How would the local police react? As it is now, they're probably already over-worked and under-paid. They don't need to enforce another law which just doesn't seem to be well-thought out.
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2009-05-16, 10:20 | Link #32 | |
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"our society" is probably more civil and contains less violence than in the last several hundred years and definitely less than in the last thousand years -- methinks you're watching too much nightly "news" that overfocuses on the lurid rather than actually looking at statistics, maybe?
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2009-05-16, 10:23 | Link #33 |
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It's not possible to go for the consumer, but to control it from the producer side itself. Should we really allow these people to keep on making rape simulators? Should rape porn be loped into the same category as child porn?
There's a lot of factors to be considered when such restriction are to put in place and may have unintended consequence as well. But making rape into a game which reinforce such acts is probably mostly negative for society's mental health.
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2009-05-16, 11:05 | Link #34 |
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I'll point out I think such games are prurient trash... but you attack the "problem" by reducing demand (i.e. education and values). Prohibiting material leads down unpleasant directions -- and again, people are suggesting banning artwork, writing, and drawn things -- today's deciders could be easily replaced the sorts of people who *love* those positions of authority and use them to aggregate power and domination - banning things *you* might think acceptable. There is very little evidence that such materials contribute to abuse and crime -- what little studies there are that support the idea are almost entirely based on small children being exposed to violence and then being more violent temporarily. Such correlation has not been demonstrated in teens or adults who can tell fantasy from reality.
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2009-05-16, 11:29 | Link #35 | |
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Banning often cause such activities to go underground however, demonizing them can have a positive net effect at times for example child pornography. While it's a prevalent problem everywhere but majority of the people abhor it and this helps discourage most people from indulging in such fantasy due to the negative image.
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So to actually have any sort of impact, yes, you do need to go after the consumer. And I will not support any law that proscribes legal punishments for people based on what kind of fictional porn they like. Quote:
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2009-05-16, 12:08 | Link #37 |
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While at it, they should also ban all mmorpg games too, because they also encourage rape. How they encourage it? It's really simple. My bf spends the whole day playing online games totally neglecting me and after a while I get totally sexually frustrated...In the end I end up raping him and a few other guys as a result!..Ouch bummer.
Bottom line, it's wrong to ban something that is potentially threating, and that MAY lead into an actual act outside of their little virtual world no matter what kinda disturbing theme it is.
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2009-05-16, 13:17 | Link #39 |
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Must add that it doesn't matter if video games are or are not the cause of violence, frankly I don't care
This video game is disrespectful towards women and I as one who has been through such a situation am glad they are doing something about it when it comes to this game because as a victim the last thing you want is hear about people who actually play this game If I were to even see someone play this game or hear one word that they play this I would be the one to have more violent tendencies towards them because they do not know what it is like to be in a situation like that and are having a good time doing in a game which ultimate goal is rape |
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Allow them to ban one thing today and the people behind it will probably want to ban something else tomorrow. If a person (any person) can be influenced in a bad way by a game, then there's a chance that person can be influenced in a bad way by pretty much anything around him/her.
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