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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 791 | 63.74% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 163 | 13.13% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 95 | 7.66% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 67 | 5.40% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 17 | 1.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 18 | 1.45% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 7 | 0.56% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 7 | 0.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 0.32% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 72 | 5.80% | |
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2009-05-17, 11:26 | Link #5481 | |
KLAC OF THE ANIME WORLD
Join Date: May 2007
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geez do i need to use the tardis or den-liner to fix geass world & save the series besides it just thAT THE REal TRUTH is still out there.
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2009-05-18, 02:24 | Link #5482 | |
Ore wa Kyasshan!
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Age: 36
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They don't have to restart R1. Taniguchi's true vision for R2 was to make it just like R1. No, the truth is that LELOUCH IS DEAD. You can't handle the truth. Well, KLAC hates The Dark Knight and even the Watchmen. |
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2009-05-18, 16:10 | Link #5483 | |
See You En' Tee
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: England
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and everyone loves a genius anti-hero dont they? someone will come up with a character just as good/better then Lelouch.
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2009-05-18, 16:20 | Link #5484 | |
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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At least that is how I view it. But that decision is up to the Director and his production staff. Considering what they have gone through with producing the second season, they might just use that opportunity to create an alternate universe version of Code Geass R2 that takes place where Stage 25 had left off, and not the one year time jump that took place with Turn 1. |
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2009-05-18, 22:34 | Link #5487 | |
Ore wa Kyasshan!
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Somewhere...
Age: 36
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. He just can't accept the fact that Lelouch is dead. Simple. |
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2009-05-18, 23:01 | Link #5488 | |
Banned
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: U.S.A.
Age: 36
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"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent |
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2009-05-19, 01:20 | Link #5490 | |
Banned
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Regardless, I'd say that Lelouch still took a different kind of descent. He made himself out to be a horrible tyrannical emperor, killed thousands of people, and forced an entire army to fight for him against their will. In the end, he made himself out to be the ultimate villain, through and through. |
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2009-05-19, 01:27 | Link #5491 | |
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2009-05-19, 01:42 | Link #5492 | |
Banned
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: U.S.A.
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Think back to Dark Knight. Batman more or less became the villain (well, ill-perceived vigilante is more like it) at the end, but that was because he accepted the role in order to protect Gotham. |
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2009-05-19, 03:18 | Link #5493 | |
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And he was more Byronic Hero than Villain as Zero. The distrust from the Black Knights was somewhat natural; Schneizel's deceptiveness combined with their gullibility in certain aspects led to the betrayal. Not to pardon his actions there. He did very bad things, but not to the point where he was an actual villain. There were clearer examples of villainy (i. e. various Britannians, V. V., etc.). |
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2009-05-19, 07:09 | Link #5494 | |
differently sober
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Italy
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After that, he stopped to be 'corrupted' by his power and his emotions and focused on his goal. He did a lot of horrible things, worse than the things he did as Zero, but he was doing that with a degree of awareness he did not have before, that's why I agree with azul that his descent stopped in ep.21. |
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2009-05-19, 07:31 | Link #5495 |
Um-Shmum
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
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does going from a misguided well intentioned extremist to Necessarily Evil (in motives) complete monster (in action) really count as stopping the descent ?
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2009-05-19, 09:35 | Link #5496 |
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In terms of actual result, ultimately yes. He certainly wasn't doing it for the lulz or on account of unmitigated malice for the sake of malice itself, at least one of which is essential for an honest to goodness villain.
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2009-05-19, 10:01 | Link #5497 |
differently sober
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Italy
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I'd say yes, even if it's a paradox, because Lelouch was fighting for loosing having the victory of everyone else (but Schneizel and he himself) in mind. While he was lowering himself to greatest evil he could perform, his heart and mind where aiming for something different, so, from his internal point of view, he's never been as honest and not fooling himself with alibis as he is on the last arc.
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2009-05-19, 10:33 | Link #5498 | ||
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2009-05-19, 10:45 | Link #5499 |
Um-Shmum
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he was fooling them by killing and destroying god only knows how many (relatively) innocent people
he did so for a good reason that makes him a Necessarily Evil villain but thats still a villain
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2009-05-19, 11:34 | Link #5500 |
differently sober
Join Date: Sep 2008
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in the classic sense and from a moral standpoint, yes, he is a villain doing unacceptable things - but he's no longer 'corrupted' by his inner darkness, like villains frequently are.
If i get it right , this is what azul meant with the 'descent' thing, isn't it, azul? about Suzaku... mh.. I don't know.. my reading is that Lelouch, someway, sheltered Suzaku too. He got his life-long punishment, but Lelouch gave him a reason for keep on living he no longer had after the FREJA incident. Not that Suzaku got a great life for himself, but he's prevented from committing suicide, and I sometimes wonder how much of this was convenience or a way to "save what can be saved" for him as well from Lelouch's part... maybe also in a subconscious fashion. ..uhm... |
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