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StarRodMan · 2009-05-22, 23:04

I'm glad I decided to hold off on reading parts of the novels until that part is animated. It's great seeing the story for the first time on screen, and then I can go read the books and get more detail.

Jintor · 2009-05-22, 23:05

Ah, all the cries of people who didn't read the novel ahead.

I kinda wish I was one, just so I would be surprised by the plot...

OkamiNoKaze · 2009-05-22, 23:36

I just recently read this chapter of Novel 3, It's amazing how close my mental image and what was actually on screen was, including camera angles in many scenes.

Vexx · 2009-05-23, 00:17

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Originally Posted by Mr Bland

And not sure if anybody else caught it but:

Spoiler for Season 2 ep 1:

yes, we got it --- really, the majority of the posters here are not utter morons. This sort of convoluted storyline where most of the dots connect is what makes the show popular.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2009-05-23, 00:27

I just realized something.
When Haruhi mumbled to herself about how far off 16 years is, she is referring to her chalk message on the school oval 3 years ago. In effect, Haruhi is STILL waiting for the gods to respond to her "I AM HERE" message.

Kogetsu Shirogane · 2009-05-23, 00:34

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

I just realized something.
When Haruhi mumbled to herself about how far off 16 years is, she is referring to her chalk message on the school oval 3 years ago. In effect, Haruhi is STILL waiting for the gods to respond to her "I AM HERE" message.

You know, I actually hadn't thought of that. Nice catch there

Kaioshin Sama · 2009-05-23, 00:49

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

I just realized something.
When Haruhi mumbled to herself about how far off 16 years is, she is referring to her chalk message on the school oval 3 years ago. In effect, Haruhi is STILL waiting for the gods to respond to her "I AM HERE" message.

Yep....impatient one that girl.

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Originally Posted by Vexx

yes, we got it --- really, the majority of the posters here are not utter morons. This sort of convoluted storyline where most of the dots connect is what makes the show popular.

Well it looks like it's past somebodies bed time.

Yeah I know what you mean though.

Kogetsu Shirogane · 2009-05-23, 00:53

In all fairness, she's only about 15 or 16 at that point, and she sent the message three years prior. I'd say she has every right to be "impatient," all things considered.

Kaioshin Sama · 2009-05-23, 00:55

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Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

In all fairness, she's only about 15 or 16 at that point, and she sent the message three years prior. I'd say she has every right to be "impatient," all things considered.

They calculated the time it would take though. It even came up within the episode. Haruhi's just being herself here, always in such a rush for everything to happen.......

Kogetsu Shirogane · 2009-05-23, 01:02

It'd take 16 years. I'm aware of this. What I was getting at with mentioning her age is that she'd have to live out about as many years as she's already been alive in order for the message to even get there.

Jze0 · 2009-05-23, 01:02

Finally! A new episode of Haruhi. I've been waiting ages for this... ok maybe not ages (only three years to be exact) but I think you get the point. I'm just so happy that there is new Haruhi to watch and now I can rejoice happily, yay!

About the episode, I'll give it a perfect 10, it was that awesome.

Mikuru returns with her "Moe" at full throttle, Nagato is still lovely and cool and Haruhi... well lets just say that Haruhi is Haruhi. Kyon's sarcasm remains amusing as always and him calling himself John Smith was funny, though it would be even funnier if that was his real name. Overall happy its back and I look forward to some more.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2009-05-23, 01:03

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Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

They calculated the time it would take though. It even came up within the episode. Haruhi's just being herself here, always in such a rush for everything to happen.......

Waiting 16 years for a message to arrive is a long time in anybody's book. I am not sure anyone is patient enough to wait 16 years for anything without complaining at some point.

Jintor · 2009-05-23, 01:16

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

I just realized something.
When Haruhi mumbled to herself about how far off 16 years is, she is referring to her chalk message on the school oval 3 years ago. In effect, Haruhi is STILL waiting for the gods to respond to her "I AM HERE" message.

If we take this logic chain further... it's possible that Haruhi hadn't calculated that it would take 16 years when she sent her message on the first three years ago.

So... after waiting for something interesting to happen, she tried to work out why it hadn't happened yet. Thus... 16 years.

Ithekro · 2009-05-23, 01:34

Of course with time travellers, espers, and aliens, she might have already gotten all three of those wishes. "I am here" (Aliens: "Noted. we will send observers")
"I want the world to revolve around me" (Esper: "Yes mistress")
"I want the world to reverse rotation" (Time Travelers: "It started three years ago...")

Jaden · 2009-05-23, 02:35

I understood time travel in Haruhiverse now. So it's like in The Time Machine - you can't change the past, the time travelers realised this so they're acting with strict rules and being extremely careful and all that.

Haruhi is the X factor that allows some time travel and changing of the past to take place as long as history is preserved.

There's a good bit of BS in that kind of time travel - even if time travelers are careful it would be practically impossible not to change the past if you travel in it, due to the butterfly effect.

Yuki probably sees a more true form of the universe, something like the quantum-physical multiverse. The human time travelers are able to get away with what they're doing because of laws that were created by Haruhi's limited mind. She doesn't want paradoxes to happen because that'd boggle her head too much. =P

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2009-05-23, 02:39

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Originally Posted by Jaden

There's a good bit of BS in that kind of time travel - even if time travelers are careful it would be practically impossible not to change the past if you travel in it, due to the butterfly effect.

Butterfly effect is just a theory, that can't be tested unless time travel is invented. The opposite view, of temporal destiny that will attempt to repair timeline back to what it was as much as possible, is equally likely.

Haruhi can do more than altering timelines; she can create whole new timelines from scratch. Cause and effect is meaningless to her.

Kogetsu Shirogane · 2009-05-23, 02:45

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Cause and effect is meaningless to her.

In more ways than one

Kaioshin Sama · 2009-05-23, 03:05

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Butterfly effect is just a theory, that can't be tested unless time travel is invented. The opposite view, of temporal destiny that will attempt to repair timeline back to what it was as much as possible, is equally likely.

Haruhi can do more than altering timelines; she can create whole new timelines from scratch. Cause and effect is meaningless to her.

Can't the creation of a new timeline also be seen as the alteration of a current timeline causing it to branch away into a new one. If you are introducing temporal mechanics into this thread then you've opened the pandora's box, but I'm game if it's allowed and all. Technically the only right answer though is that there is no right answer.

superzombie23 · 2009-05-23, 03:26

This episode was great is all I got to say, and it's been 3 years since we got any new Haruhi. I loved the scene where Yuki demands they sleep together LOL! Haruhi series has always had this weird type of humor, and that scene is a great example.

Can someone explain to me what the chess scene means? I'm so confused about what they're talking about when he puts the King in his pocket.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2009-05-23, 03:42

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Originally Posted by superzombie23

Can someone explain to me what the chess scene means? I'm so confused about what they're talking about when he puts the King in his pocket.

The whole point about that, is explaining how sometimes, rules don't work they way they are suppose to. There is just no simple way to explain the time travel mechanics of MoSH, and the pocketed King is a symbol of that.

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Vallen Chaos Valiant Logician and Romantic Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Within my mind Age: 43	I just realized something. When Haruhi mumbled to herself about how far off 16 years is, she is referring to her chalk message on the school oval 3 years ago. In effect, Haruhi is STILL waiting for the gods to respond to her "I AM HERE" message. __________________

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Kogetsu Shirogane Kneel Before Your King! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: My kingdom Age: 39	In all fairness, she's only about 15 or 16 at that point, and she sent the message three years prior. I'd say she has every right to be "impatient," all things considered. __________________ WARNING: Kogetsu Shirogane cannot be held accountable for any actions taken by someone else. Potential side effects of communicating with this user include headaches, mild confusion, insanity, delirium, and jumping into fires. Do not expose this user to sunlight or water or feed this user after midnight. ... so you think you're a king now...

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Kogetsu Shirogane Kneel Before Your King! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: My kingdom Age: 39	It'd take 16 years. I'm aware of this. What I was getting at with mentioning her age is that she'd have to live out about as many years as she's already been alive in order for the message to even get there. __________________ WARNING: Kogetsu Shirogane cannot be held accountable for any actions taken by someone else. Potential side effects of communicating with this user include headaches, mild confusion, insanity, delirium, and jumping into fires. Do not expose this user to sunlight or water or feed this user after midnight. ... so you think you're a king now...

2009-05-23, 01:02	Link #371
Jze0 Hmmm... Join Date: Jan 2009	Finally! A new episode of Haruhi. I've been waiting ages for this... ok maybe not ages (only three years to be exact) but I think you get the point. I'm just so happy that there is new Haruhi to watch and now I can rejoice happily, yay! About the episode, I'll give it a perfect 10, it was that awesome. Mikuru returns with her "Moe" at full throttle, Nagato is still lovely and cool and Haruhi... well lets just say that Haruhi is Haruhi. Kyon's sarcasm remains amusing as always and him calling himself John Smith was funny, though it would be even funnier if that was his real name. Overall happy its back and I look forward to some more. __________________ :: MyAnimeList \| Amigo! :: Last edited by Jze0; 2009-05-23 at 01:29.

2009-05-22, 23:04	Link #361
StarRodMan Junior Member Join Date: May 2009	I'm glad I decided to hold off on reading parts of the novels until that part is animated. It's great seeing the story for the first time on screen, and then I can go read the books and get more detail.

2009-05-22, 23:05	Link #362
Jintor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Land Down Under Age: 32	Ah, all the cries of people who didn't read the novel ahead. I kinda wish I was one, just so I would be surprised by the plot...

2009-05-22, 23:36	Link #363
OkamiNoKaze Senior Member Join Date: May 2009	I just recently read this chapter of Novel 3, It's amazing how close my mental image and what was actually on screen was, including camera angles in many scenes.

2009-05-23, 01:34	Link #374
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Of course with time travellers, espers, and aliens, she might have already gotten all three of those wishes. "I am here" (Aliens: "Noted. we will send observers") "I want the world to revolve around me" (Esper: "Yes mistress") "I want the world to reverse rotation" (Time Travelers: "It started three years ago...") __________________

2009-05-23, 02:35	Link #375
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	I understood time travel in Haruhiverse now. So it's like in The Time Machine - you can't change the past, the time travelers realised this so they're acting with strict rules and being extremely careful and all that. Haruhi is the X factor that allows some time travel and changing of the past to take place as long as history is preserved. There's a good bit of BS in that kind of time travel - even if time travelers are careful it would be practically impossible not to change the past if you travel in it, due to the butterfly effect. Yuki probably sees a more true form of the universe, something like the quantum-physical multiverse. The human time travelers are able to get away with what they're doing because of laws that were created by Haruhi's limited mind. She doesn't want paradoxes to happen because that'd boggle her head too much. =P

2009-05-23, 03:26	Link #379
superzombie23 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	This episode was great is all I got to say, and it's been 3 years since we got any new Haruhi. I loved the scene where Yuki demands they sleep together LOL! Haruhi series has always had this weird type of humor, and that scene is a great example. Can someone explain to me what the chess scene means? I'm so confused about what they're talking about when he puts the King in his pocket.