The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[DJ_RockmanX]

Of course. But there are too many things going on right now that need to be managed. Let's get more of the absolute essentials completed first before undertaking the parts that are optional.

But I'm definitely calling you back later on, Shinya.

[ryanasaurus0077]

Originally Posted by Heatth

...I don't know what "gall" is.

It means they were courageous enough to do something.

[Jintor]

I'd like to finish scripting before we stat talking about voices...

[besieger]

Voices? Voices will inflate this thing by about 100 times. No kid.

[Joe4evr]

I can't quite agree with voices. I mean, sure, it'd be nice (I may be able to do someone), but as been said, the filesize would simply become huge. If Ren'Py is able to compile an installer that allows to choose to install voices, though, everyone would be happy, right?

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Although I'd love to have the narration be fully voiced, that's an insane amount of lines, so we'll probably do what most VNs do and only have Kyon speak when he's actually talking.

Two things with this, 1) wouldn't that ruin Kyon's typical moments of where he thinks something but characters respond regardless and 2) from my VN experience, the Player Character doesn't talk ever.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Joe4evr

I can't quite agree with voices. I mean, sure, it'd be nice (I may be able to do someone), but as been said, the filesize would simply become huge. If Ren'Py is able to compile an installer that allows to choose to install voices, though, everyone would be happy, right?

I don't know if Ren'Py can do that (I will search about), but it possible just make it a separate and optional download. If you want voices you download it, if don't want, you don't download.

Two things with this, 1) wouldn't that ruin Kyon's typical moments of where he thinks something but characters respond regardless and 2) from my VN experience, the Player Character doesn't talk ever.

1) Huge problem, agree.
2) Fate/Stay Night disagrees with you.

[Jintor]

Please, reign in the ambition.

I'd like to finish producing at least up to Day Six before we even contemplate Voices. This means art, music, programming, everything.

[DJ_RockmanX]

The Senior Editor's position is my own as well. Although I'll take it further and say I want at least the first three routes done before contemplating anything.

One thing at a time.

[Joe4evr]

Originally Posted by Heatth

I don't know if Ren'Py can do that (I will search about), but it possible just make it a separate and optional download.

I've done a quick search, and found this. It says you can change all kinds of values, but I don't know if that includes giving options for voices etc looking at the NSIS page it seems its very possible.

User selection of installation components, tree for component selection
Multiple install configurations (usually Minimal, Typical, Full), and custom configuration

[Ithekro]

Mmmm. Just to be different, what if you only had Kyon/Kyonko's inner thoughts voiced, and no one else. It would allow for those moments when a player hears Kyon say something and then a character seemingly responds to it as if he or she said it.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Jintor

Please, reign in the ambition.

I'd like to finish producing at least up to Day Six before we even contemplate Voices. This means art, music, programming, everything.

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

The Senior Editor's position is my own as well. Although I'll take it further and say I want at least the first three routes done before contemplating anything.

One thing at a time.

I frankly don't understand this kind of mentality. We are just discussing it for now. I agree that we shouldn't make it a priority, so, for exemple, we programers shouldn't work on it for now. But if we are really going for a dub, Shinya can go doing what he can for now.

Originally Posted by Joe4evr

but I don't know if that includes giving options for voices etc looking at the NSIS page it seems its very possible.

Thanks., I will give a look Oh, good then, but I will not really work on it for now. Anyway I prefer the two donwload option. The mean problem of a big game, for me, is the time to download it.

*e*

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Mmmm. Just to be different, what if you only had Kyon/Kyonko's inner thoughts voiced, and no one else. It would allow for those moments when a player hears Kyon say something and then a character seemingly responds to it as if he or she said it.

This would be strange. And more conplicated. There is less speaking then narrating.

*e*
I did a (very) quick test and, if you make it run a voice file, the program seen keep runing no matter if ther is or not the file. So the file size it is not really an issue. We can just make it as a separate file and us programers will don't even need to work to make it possible.

[CanadaAotS]

Originally Posted by Jintor

Spoiler for September the Third, Day 2, Universe 1: Lunchtime: Another Hallway- The Way of the Nanpa:

The Way of the Nanpa

Kyonko: "…Itsuko-"

Itsuko: "Hmm?"


She turns to look at me, her usual, carefully-practiced expression shifting to a look of shock as she sees me bent over in pain.



Itsuko: "A-Are you alright? What’s wrong?"

Kyonko: "It happened again… the... ripples…"


"The pain, and the noise, is subsiding. I’m fine now, but…"


Kyonko: "Itsuko, you... didn’t notice anything?"

Itsuko: "Well, no, but I… give me a minute, please."


"Itsuko stands up straight, closes her eyes, and appears to focus for a few seconds. What is she doing?"

"Suddenly, she opens her eyes, her expression of shock returning."


Itsuko: "…I can no longer feel him."


"Him?"


Itsuko: "My empathic link with Haruki Suzumiya has been severed."

Kyonko: "Severed!?"

Itsuko: "In its place, I can feel a different... presence. However, I cannot get any sort of reading…"


"Wait, wait. Weren’t we supposed to have stopped existing, or something? This looks just like the normal school, but… Where the hell are we!?"

"Haaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!"

"At that moment, the voices of two people, arguing, reach my ears."


Boy A: "So... tell me again. Why do we have to spend our lunch hour looking for girls? In the school?"

Boy B: "Because, don’t you know? North High has the highest pretty-ugly ratio in the whole city. If we look around, we’re bound to find someone who is both hot and willing!"

Boy A: "Haven’t you memorized the name and face of everyone worth dating in first year?"

Boy B: "Could be some new transfer students I don’t know about. You never know, you know."

Boy A: "You’re starting to sound suspiciously familiar."


"The owners of the voices rounded the corner behind us."


Boy B: "Huh? Why? Look, there’s some right now."

Boy A: "Wha—"


"Two boys had rounded the corner. One of them, taller than the other and rather sleazy-looking, was grinning widely, looking us up and down. The other, who looks a little like Asahina-senpai, was gazing, wide-mouthed, at… Itsuko."


Boy B: "Watch this."


"He said in a whisper he probably thought I couldn’t hear."


Boy B: "Hey there! Fancy meeting you here. Must be, uh, fate, huh?"


"Itsuko and I look at each other. Who would have expected this, all of a sudden?"


Itsuko: "…I will deal with this."

Kyonko: "…You sure?"


"Itsuko addressed the sleazy one."


Itsuko: "What is it you, ah, require, exactly?"

Boy B: "We just wanna talk. Uh, um, not too often you see two people just hanging out in a hallway with nothing to do, ya know?"


"What kind of school do you go to!?"


Itsuko: "How unfortunate. My friend and me were just about to—"

Boy B: "Aw, come on, don’t be like that. Tell us your names. I’m Taniguchi!"


"The other boy had apparently gotten over his shock, and was right behind the sleazy boy. He looks… rather excited."


Boy A: "I’m Kunikida!"


"…Odd. They have the same names as…"


Itsuko: "Ah, no, we’re really very—"

Taniguchi: "You’re new here, right? Where are you from, anyway?"

Kunikida: "At least let us show you around the school!"

Itsuko: "Ah, er, no, I…"

Taniguchi: "Right? Come along with us, we can show you and your friend, uh, the library and stuff."


"Itsuko is getting overwhelmed by their enthusiasm. It wouldn’t be a good thing if she agreed to go with them just to shut them up."

"Knowing I was probably going to regret this, I stepped in front of Itsuko as though to protect her."


Kyonko: "Since you’re so curious… Her name is Yamada. I’m Kentaro. We’re from Canada."

Taniguchi: "…Excuse us."


"The two of them turned away and started whispering loudly."


Kunikida: "She’s obviously lying. …Maybe we should just ignore her and go for the other one?"

Taniguchi: "No man, they’re both A-rank, at least. We can’t let this chance slip away from us."

Kunikida: "So, then…"

Taniguchi: "Let’s rethink the attack plan."


"They turn back to me, to find me grinding the palm of my hand into my forehead. Morons! Everywhere I go, I'm surrounded by morons!"


Taniguchi: "So, uh, if you’re from Canada, that means you don’t know much Japanese, right? Why don’t we teach you?"


"The boy called Kunikida nods in support, smiling widely."


Kyonko: "Actually, we only speak Swedish. Sorry. I can’t understand you."


"I said it in Japanese, of course. "


Kunikida: "Tough nut to crack, huh?"

Taniguchi: "Don’t worry. I’ll think of something."


"I can hear you two perfectly!"


Taniguchi: "So, uh, what do you think about—"


"Ah, geez! This is stupid! I can believe you two haven’t given up yet! How discourteous can you be?"

"I’ll just have to…"


[DECISION POINT HERE]

1) "Give the two of them a rating."
2) "Tell them politely that we’re leaving."
3) "Tell them to go the hell away."


D Rank


Kyonko: "You know. I have a friend who gives guys ratings based on their attractiveness."

Taniguchi: "Really? What a coincidence! I do the same for girls, and I gotta say, you both are—"


"I cut him off."


Kyonko: "And I’ve gotten pretty good at rating guys myself. Let’s see, you two are both…"


"I pretended to think while looking at them up and down."


Kyonko: "D rank."

Taniguchi: "Eh? But, but, why?"

Kyonko: "Well, first, you aren’t very good-looking. Second, you’re way too forward and pushy. Normally, each one would only drop you one rank, but together, they drop you three. Next, your friend there. Although he’s kind of cute, he’s been drooling over Yamada here since he first saw her. Definitely no go. So, bye."

Kunikida: "Wait, no, we’re not finished—"

Kyonko: "Come on."


"I said to Yama—er, Itsuko."


Kyonko: "We’ll be late for the meeting."


"We left them there, dumbstruck, staring at our backs. That felt surprisingly good."


Itsuko: "Thank you for that. I don’t know what—"

Kyonko: "You’re that bad at dealing with pushy guys? I figured you’d be a natural at it."

Itsuko: "I'm more surprised you did so well, considering how you usually perform around Suzumiya-san."

Kyonko: "…Geh, that’s something completely different."

Itsuko: "Is it now?"

Kyonko: "Yeah, it-"

"Ripple."

Oh, no, not again-"

My head suddenly throbs with pain as the world wavers and disappears...

"Alt."

"Function Four."

"The two return to their own world, feeling secure."

"Secure feeling world own their to return, two the."

"The world is mirrored."

"Mirrored is world the."

"It’s enough to make you laugh."

"Right?"

Kyonko: "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!"

*ZZZZZZZT*


The Persistent Water Flea


Kyonko: "Ugh… We’re kind of busy, so we’ll be going now…"


"I grab Itsuko’s arm and try to pull her down the corridor, but the one called Taniguchi blocks our path."


"Taniguchi: Hey, wait, what’s the rush, we’re not that scary, are we?"


"Immediately, I turn around, intending to go the other way, but…"


Kunikida: "Y-yeah! All we wanna do is talk, so…"


"…Is this the Dimension of Perverts or something!?"

"I immediately made a decision, and, still pulling Itsuko, charged the one called Kunikida."


Kunikida: "Whoa!"

"He sidestepped, and fell flat on his ass."


"While running in the opposite direction, I hear:"


Taniguchi: "Dumbass! Get up and chase after them!"

Kunikida: "Are you nuts? I’m not getting caught chasing after girls in a school hallway! We’ll get arrested!"


"I stop running, in order to catch my breath."


Itsuko: "…I think you could have handled that a little better."

Kyonko: "Shut up. It’s not like you did any-"

"Ripple."

"Oh, no, not again-"

My head suddenly throbs with pain as the world wavers and disappears...

"Alt."

"Function Four."

"The two return to their own world, feeling secure."

"Secure feeling world own their to return, two the."

"The world is mirrored."

"Mirrored is world the."

"It’s enough to make you laugh."

"Right?"

Kyonko: "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!"

*ZZZZZZT*


Rejected/Dejected


Kyonko: "Look. We’re not interested at all nor are we asking for your attention. Go away."

Taniguchi: "But—"

Kyonko: "This is our spot. Go away, please."

Taniguchi: "Alright, fair enough. If you’re ever in the mood, I could give you my phone num—"

Kyonko: "No."



"So, sighing, the boy called Taniguchi turns to leave, grabbing the upper arm of his friend, who still seems to be rather distracted."

"As we watch them leave, Itsuko turns to me."


Itsuko: "You handled that very well. You have my thanks."

Kyonko: "No, it’s fine. Wasn’t any trouble at all to get rid of a few pests. More importantly, I’m surprised you’re that bad at dealing with guys like that. I thought you’d-"


"…"


Itsuko: "…What’s wrong? Is it…?"


"I hear it again. A ripple."

"No, no, nonono, not again, it hurts it hurts ithurts god no-"
"Alt."

"Function Four."

"The two return to their own world, feeling secure."

"Secure feeling world own their to return, two the."

"The world is mirrored."

"Mirrored is world the."

"It’s enough to make you laugh."

"Right?"

Kyonko: "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!"

*ZZZZZZT*

The "I'M SURROUNDED BY IDIOTS" bit was great. lol.

[CanadaAotS]

I'm going to make a separate post to address the dub issue. In my opinion, this seems like a needlessly divisive decision that has no bearing on the VN until quite a long way in the future.

It's not something that needs to be decided on now, simply because any decision we make this early in the game won't matter at all a year from now.

Since there seems to be at least some support on the issue, we should let this fandub group know that we might be looking for english dubbers in the future, and leave it at that. My opinion is that the entire script should be set in stone before we even contemplate this. Voice dubbers need lines that don't change, and the one thing that'll still get modified throughout the development is the script.

tl;dr Bridge, cross, later

And for the record, I'm of the opinion that dubs are a bad idea, unless you want to hire some professionals. That's quite a ways outside our budget (of zero dollars), but even if cost wasn't a factor, I'd still be really iffy about it.
Dub voices will just ruin the inner voice we all have in our heads about what the characters should sound like.

Edit: FtR Part 2 - If this is the same fandub group that did the dramatic readings of the novels, I liked the Kyonko. haha.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by CanadaAotS

I'm going to make a separate post to address the dub issue. In my opinion, this seems like a needlessly divisive decision that has no bearing on the VN until quite a long way in the future.

It's not something that needs to be decided on now, simply because any decision we make this early in the game won't matter at all a year from now.

Since there seems to be at least some support on the issue, we should let this fandub group know that we might be looking for english dubbers in the future, and leave it at that. My opinion is that the entire script should be set in stone before we even contemplate this. Voice dubbers need lines that don't change, and the one thing that'll still get modified throughout the development is the script.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that it must decide right now. The only decision that must be done is if it is or not a possibility (so the group know). I don't believe that the script must be done before the final decision, just before the actual record.

And for the record, I'm of the opinion that dubs are a bad idea, unless you want to hire some professionals. That's quite a ways outside our budget (of zero dollars), but even if cost wasn't a factor, I'd still be really iffy about it.
Dub voices will just ruin the inner voice we all have in our heads about what the characters should sound like.

Edit: FtR Part 2 - If this is the same fandub group that did the dramatic readings of the novels, I liked the Kyonko. haha.

Agree.

[Jintor]

Originally Posted by Heatth

I frankly don't understand this kind of mentality. We are just discussing it for now. I agree that we shouldn't make it a priority, so, for exemple, we programers shouldn't work on it for now. But if we are really going for a dub, Shinya can go doing what he can for now.

I have my doubts whether we can even produce up to day six at the moment. Dubbing just compounds them.

[Heatth]

So lack of faith

Anyway, the point is discussing the issue don't slow down the project at all. So there is no reason to dissmiss it just because we have other prioritys. If we, by chance, decide that, yes, we are going to have a dub, don't mean we have to start worring about it right now. It is like the music and sound effects, we know we are needing it, but we are busy with other issues so we don't think about it.

[Solais]

Originally Posted by Heatth

So lack of faith

Basically, yes. If you work on a Project with limited resources, and that Project just grows bigger and bigger, people start to get bored and losing faith that it will ever be done, because the goal gets more and more far. This is why it's a Bridge that should be Crossed Later. First, a simpler goal needed to aim for; if that's done, then the other.

I speak from experience, it was the fate of all my projects (damn my idea bank, even with my writing project; it started as a three chapter long short story, and ended up as a novel series, even before I started writing it).

[ShinyaKyoto]

It doesn't matter to me if it will be voiced or not, I just thought i could help you guys. I still have the dramatic readings of the novels as Heath said to do which i should start working on chapter 6.

[ryanasaurus0077]

Here's my opinion on who should do the gender-flipped voices:

Japanese version
Minoru Shiraishi as Haruki Suzumiya
Maya Sakamoto as Kyonko
Akira Ishida as Yuuki Nagato
Youko Honna as Mitsuuru Asahina (small)
Satsuki Yukino as Itsuko Koizumi
Yasunori Matsumoto as Ryou Asakura
Mitsuru Ogata as Tsuruya-san
Kensho Ono as Mitsuuru Asahina (big)

English version
Tony Oliver as Haruki Suzumiya
Philece Sampler as Kyonko
Joshua Seth as Yuuki Nagato
Brianne Siddall as Mitsuuru Asahina (small)
Dorothy Elias-Fahn as Itsuko Koizumi
Michael Lindsay as Ryou Asakura
Matt "Masamune" Miller as Tsuruya-san
Doug Erholtz as Mitsuuru Asahina (big)

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Solais

Basically, yes. If you work on a Project with limited resources, and that Project just grows bigger and bigger, people start to get bored and losing faith that it will ever be done, because the goal gets more and more far. This is why it's a Bridge that should be Crossed Later. First, a simpler goal needed to aim for; if that's done, then the other.

I speak from experience, it was the fate of all my projects (damn my idea bank, even with my writing project; it started as a three chapter long short story, and ended up as a novel series, even before I started writing it).

But this is just when it grow too much before actually acomplish anything right? Many aspects of this project are going very well as far I can see.

Anyway, I am not saying we must start working on it right now. I am just saying we must consider the proposal, so Shinya can know if it is a possibility or not. We already did that, by the way: It is, and Danchou will call him when (and if) the time comes.

This do not inpede we talk about the matter, for fun. We go off-topic all time, why not now? And it is on topic, just not the most important one.