Code Geass (Generic discussion thread)

[morbosfist]

From what I can gather, there doesn't seem to be any meaningful revelations in that. Just sort of a redux of what we already know.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

From what I can gather, there doesn't seem to be any meaningful revelations in that. Just sort of a redux of what we already know.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, but you never know. Some parts seem vague or unclear, so who knows, maybe the full regular translation will tell us something more.

[morbosfist]

Well, looking closely, I do see one thing that might have people talking.

Lelouch: "I am now able to be what you追IYATTA death, only to kill him everything."

I would guess this relates to his reincarnation line in the first season. In other words, "now that I'm dead we can be together in a new life," or something to that effect.

[Nobodyman9]

Hmm, I like that idea. That could be it. Also, this line leaves me curious.

"I do, I will forgive you貰ERU it."

Who exactly is Lelouch forgiving? Or is it a mistranslation? Oh, and that line about Shirley first meeting Lelouch is interesting as well.

[Kid Ying]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Hmm, I like that idea. That could be it. Also, this line leaves me curious.

"I do, I will forgive you貰ERU it."

Who exactly is Lelouch forgiving? Or is it a mistranslation? Oh, and that line about Shirley first meeting Lelouch is interesting as well.

I tried to look at the google translation, but it's just the same... Dammit. Either way, it could be Lelouch reminiscing about Shirley forgiving him about her death.

The "it's now possible to me IYATTA" don't make any sense at all... It's about his plans of killing Rolo after all that?

We should send that link for someone who knows japanese out there.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Kid Ying

I tried to look at the google translation, but it's just the same... Dammit. Either way, it could be Lelouch reminiscing about Shirley forgiving him about her death.

The "it's now possible to me IYATTA" don't make any sense at all... It's about his plans of killing Rolo after all that?

We should send that link for someone who knows japanese out there.

Google? Hehe, actually that's the translator I used for this so...yeah

Hmm, did Shirley forgive Lelouch for her death? I don't really remember that.

Well anyway, if you know anyone who knows japanese than by all means let me know Otherwise we're just gonna have to wait for the translation from someone else.

[Kid Ying]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Google? Hehe, actually that's the translator I used for this so...yeah

Hmm, did Shirley forgive Lelouch for her death? I don't really remember that.

Well anyway, if you know anyone who knows japanese than by all means let me know Otherwise we're just gonna have to wait for the translation from someone else.

I thought you used any other site, but i tried on yahoo babelfish and it doesn't even work.

And, well, the forgiving is not on the series, it's only my guess, haha. Cause i don't Lelouch got a reason to even get mad on her, since she never did anything wrong to begin with, so him forgiving her doesn't make much sense, at least in my opinion.

[Lolipopo]

Him, that passed away with a smile

Hmmm, so C.C. just said he died while smiling ? Can't wait to see what ""Lulu is alive" believer will say about that, since beloved C.C. said so.
On another note, well, it seems there is nothing really new, C.C.'s monologue even reminds me of her monologue at the end of Stage 25. (so useful :/)

Pfff if they want to milk the cash cow, milk it with new stuff.
(Though I liked the part about Shirley's and Lulu first meeting)

[Nobodyman9]

Well, here's a better translation of Rolo's and Shirley's segments. Keep in mind this wasn't done by a true professional so it's possible there could be some errors. Credit goes to aya kari of LJ.

Spoiler for Rolo:

A yesterday without a past. A tomorrow without a future. Inside me, time has stopped and it doesn’t move. Day after day, the present repeats itself eternally. The only thing that ties me to what isn’t me are “missions”.
A murdering tool. That was the only reason why I was allowed to exist (not sure if he’s talking about others allowing his existence or he himself not minding to be alive…). To me who was like that, Lelouch-Niisan gave me a future. That’s right, to me, he’s my only family. Even if the whole world became Niisan’s enemy…

Spoiler for Shirley:

One year ago, my dad died. Killed by Zero, by Lelouch. And yet, forgetting something so important, I lived normally. The same smile, the same voice, the same... together with Lelouch... I love Lulu. But... whether these truly are my own feelings, I don't know. Am I being forced under that impression with some power like Lelouch's magic? I can't accept that! That's why... I have to confirm it. The real world. The truth of Lulu and me.

Feeling lonely, scared and sad, I can't believe anything, I'm unable to even cry or scream. In a world like that, you have been fighting by yourself, haven't you?

Hey, Lulu. Even now I can remember clearly, the day I met you. It was at the entrance ceremony of the Ashford Academy. Separated from everyone else was a tall boy gazing at his surroundings with the glance of an adult. Just then, it felt as if the atmosphere had changed. I was interested. That was... my encounter with you.

Hey. Did you like me, Lulu? I know; inside Lulu's head, there's only Nana-chan. But you know, Lulu, girls always wish that the person they like would look at them only.

[ginran]

Thanks for the info/translations guys! but...I still can't see where any of the Shirley/Shirlulu hate is coming from...could it be something in Lelouch's narration?

Well, there really wasn't anything new in Rolo's, but it's a nice monologue either way. Shirley's didn't really have anything new either, aside from her first time meeting Lelouch. But, it's a nice addition, imo. I've always liked how Shirley became interested in Lelouch.

Guess we're still waiting on cleaner translations of Lelouch and CC's monologues, it seemed like Lelouch's might be the most likely to have anything new. But from what we have of CC's, her's is just reminds me of her poem, or like Loli said, her Stage 25 monologue. But still, they are all interesting to read.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by ginran

Thanks for the info/translations guys! but...I still can't see where any of the Shirley/Shirlulu hate is coming from...could it be something in Lelouch's narration?

Well, there really wasn't anything new in Rolo's, but it's a nice monologue either way. Shirley's didn't really have anything new either, aside from her first time meeting Lelouch. But, it's a nice addition, imo. I've always liked how Shirley became interested in Lelouch.

Guess we're still waiting on cleaner translations of Lelouch and CC's monologues, it seemed like Lelouch's might be the most likely to have anything new. But from what we have of CC's, her's is just reminds me of her poem, or like Loli said, her Stage 25 monologue. But still, they are all interesting to read.

Agreed. I don't see anything thus far that would indicate a large amount of Shirley hate. I mean, maybe the new Masquerade dub for her death scene, but even that seems kind of unreasonable.

But yeah, the translations thus far are all very quaint. Nothing mind-blowing, but nice and we did get a little new info anyway. I like how Lelouch made an impression on Shirley from the very beginning.

[CC]

「彼が、微笑を浮かべて逝ったことを。」 - lit. "He, who passed away with a smile."

If anyone claims Lelouch is alive after this, they really are delusional, for sure. Anyway, I'll probably post a translation of C.C.'s end script later today if I have the time. I can say that the bulk if it is about how Lelouch died happy, and that his death wasn't a tragedy due to the meaning behind it and the way Lelouch felt in the end.

About Shirley, she again discussed that she was unsure of whether or not she loved Lelouch due to her own feelings, or that it was a result of him using Geass on her. Perhaps people are upset at Shirley that she'd assume Lelouch would do something so selfish/petty/cruel as to Geass her to love him? Not bashing Shirley here, just suggesting another POV.

[Fishfood1]

Originally Posted by CC

Perhaps people are upset at Shirley that she'd assume Lelouch would do something so selfish/petty/cruel as to Geass her to love him? Not bashing Shirley here, just suggesting another POV.

people are too sensitive for that minor issue(assuming your guess is correct)? i mean realistically you'd would wonder about that too if you know some special power exist out there.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Fishfood1

people are too sensitive for that minor issue(assuming your guess is correct)? i mean realistically you'd would wonder about that too if you know some special power exist out there.

Yeah, pretty much this. I don't think it's totally out of line to suspect something like that. I mean, Lelouch HAS done some pretty cruel things with his geass. Besides, what's important is that, in the end, Shirley truly did love Lelouch and she knew she did.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by CC

「彼が、微笑を浮かべて逝ったことを。」 - lit. "He, who passed away with a smile."

If anyone claims Lelouch is alive after this, they really are delusional, for sure. Anyway, I'll probably post a translation of C.C.'s end script later today if I have the time. I can say that the bulk if it is about how Lelouch died happy, and that his death wasn't a tragedy due to the meaning behind it and the way Lelouch felt in the end.

considering that this comment is made by C.C (the one who gives the only hint that lelouch might be alive), i think this should be enough to settle this matter once and for all
granted, its not quite as conclusive and absolute as "naa... lelouch ?"
but its close enough

[CC]

Final monologue - Zero Requiem DVD - C.C.

「1人の少年がいた。
"There was a boy."
彼は世界を変える力を得て、新たな秩序を打ち立てた。
"He obtained the power to change the world, to create a new order."
世界は彼を恐れ、憎んだ。
"The world was terrified of him, hated him."
しかし…、私は知っている。
"... But, I know."
彼が、微笑を浮かべて逝ったことを。
"He, who passed away with a smile." - note #1
成すべきことを成したものにしか知りえない、深い満足と共に去っていった事を。
????? - refer to note #2.
だから。これは悲劇ではないのだ。
"So. This is not a tragedy."
それでも時に、抗いようの無い哀しみと共に涙溢れる夜が来たのなら。
"And yet, at the time, the night came where I sobbed with a sadness I wouldn't resist."
私は謳おう。鎮魂の歌を。ゼロ･レクイエムを…
"I lament. A dirge. The Zero Requiem..." - note #3」

Notes
- (#1) 「彼が、微笑を浮かべて逝ったことを。」 is very literally "He, that passed away with a smile." - C.C. has confirmed Lelouch's death.
- (#2) I can't get this line to make sense, and two of my Japanese-learned friends translate it very differently. The general idea is that Lelouch's passing left a deep sense of fufillment that only Lelouch himself, or people close to him would understand.
- (#3) Not sure which word is more appropriate here, but it might have been "praise" rather than "lament".

Originally Posted by Fishfood1

people are too sensitive for that minor issue(assuming your guess is correct)? i mean realistically you'd would wonder about that too if you know some special power exist out there.

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Yeah, pretty much this. I don't think it's totally out of line to suspect something like that. I mean, Lelouch HAS done some pretty cruel things with his geass. Besides, what's important is that, in the end, Shirley truly did love Lelouch and she knew she did.

While I agree with you two, you also have to remember that Lelouch is insanely liked by a lot of people and anyone who does him wrong (eg. Suzaku) will be hated. They're probably just being - as Fishfood said - over sensitive, if that is in fact the reason they're upset.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

considering that this comment is made by C.C (the one who gives the only hint that lelouch might be alive), i think this should be enough to settle this matter once and for all
granted, its not quite as conclusive and absolute as "naa... lelouch ?"
but its close enough

Ha ha, never thought of that. But yep, that's very true. Since most people who claim he's alive argue that he's sipping a pina colada in the Bahamas with C.C., well, you can't really deny it if it's coming straight from the horse's mouth.

Originally Posted by CC

While I agree with you two, you also have to remember that Lelouch is insanely liked by a lot of people and anyone who does him wrong (eg. Suzaku) will be hated. They're probably just being - as Fishfood said - over sensitive, if that is in fact the reason they're upset.

LOL, but it was just one little line! I've heard of being oversensitive, but......dang!

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by CC

[B]proper translation.

thank you for that
so we finally have full confirmation that he really is dead
i wonder if this would finally put an end to it all

While I agree with you two, you also have to remember that Lelouch is insanely liked by a lot of people and anyone who does him wrong (eg. Suzaku) will be hated. They're probably just being - as Fishfood said - over sensitive, if that is in fact the reason they're upset.

i know lelouch has insanely good leather pants
but hating sheirly for wondering if her love is originating from his geass or not, when she knows that he used it to manipulate her memories before) sounds petty
i smell a shipping issue involved
or possibly anger at lelouch's final death, being projected at other directions

[ginran]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

i know lelouch has insanely good leather pants
but hating sheirly for wondering if her love is originating from his geass or not, when she knows that he used it to manipulate her memories before) sounds petty
i smell a shipping issue involved
or possibly anger at lelouch's final death, being projected at other directions

I was wondering if it might have something to do with the part of Lelouch's narration which came right after Shirley's death scene...if its a shipping issue, which I agree, that might be it. but, so far we dont have a cleaner translation of Lelouch's narrations(that I know of). This is the part I was talking about, that might have something to do with a shipping issue(if thats it, cant know for sure.):

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Well, looking closely, I do see one thing that might have people talking.

Lelouch: "I am now able to be what you追IYATTA death, only to kill him everything."

I would guess this relates to his reincarnation line in the first season. In other words, "now that I'm dead we can be together in a new life," or something to that effect.

I also agree that if the hate is really from that one line from Shirley, it really is taking it too seriously.

[bladeofdarkness]

its the natural thing to wonder when finding out that someone you like has mind control powers