2009-09-02, 20:30 | Link #2781 | |
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Didn't know that. Sounds a bit more realistic. |
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2009-09-03, 09:49 | Link #2782 |
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When they said that the manga would have an extended ending everyone was hoping for added information on the twins or showing more of their reunion at the end, or both. Instead we got those other additions which were more like subtraction by addition. I thought the original magazine ending was much better.
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2009-09-04, 14:33 | Link #2784 |
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I sure would love a season 2 for the anime. considering how it ended, it would have to be different from the manga starting in the same point in the story. Basically, more EL for us all! though i bet the ending wont be a live-happily-ever-after one (i consider both anime AND manga has having such an ending). Be it Okamoto having a say in it, or because whoever would write season 2 would defininetly respect the author intention (as being a drama-tragic story). anyway, bring it on!
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2009-09-05, 05:07 | Link #2786 | |
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Anyways, I'm not gonna read the manga, so thanks everyone for letting me know what happens in it. Last edited by Sa-sei; 2009-09-05 at 05:10. Reason: spoiler |
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2009-09-05, 08:55 | Link #2787 |
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^ Haha, it is funny when someone calls Lucy a sad / tragic / innocent girl... because she isn't. Little innocent girls don't enter your houce and slaughter your entire family just to get something to drink from the fridge.
Diclonius were mass murderers despite portraited as crying naked girls. They were crying because they couldn't have fun slicing your limbs slowly and painfully. The supposed drama in this series is a joke. Hey Kouta, I killed your family but you can forgive me if I don't do it again... oups, did it again... |
2009-09-05, 11:18 | Link #2789 | ||
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I dont think anyone can call her inoccent. And I dont think everyone did. She is guilty for what she had done, and there's no doubt about that. ANYONE who looks at Koutas perspective has to agree to that, if it was you in that situation (specially at the end), you would never forgive her. She killed his sister and father afterall. Who says otherwise has serious mental issues What I think it happens parallel to this is the following: do we, as a viewer, relate in anyway to Lucy? Personally or in the account of others we know. And how can we relate to a mass murderer freak? its not that hard, because its not the mass murderer part that connects us to the character. its what happen to her that led her to do it. And that is, very simply, solitude and rejection. And it makes me wonder, who of us havent seen or even experienced those feelings? Those of us that have seen it happen, be it to yourself or seeing happening to others, will definetly attach to Lucy, and automatically feel sorry for her, even if just a little. I have my own reasons to feel in some way related to what happen to her. Wich leads me to connect to Lucy and feel sorry for her. BUT I've always thought that she couldnt be forgiven for what she did. IMO, this is why I like this story so much. Because I related to the character that actually screwed everything up, for her and for others. But I relate to her, and so I feel sorry for her. I dont forgive her, but a part of me wants to. It really doesnt matter what would we do if we were in Lucys shoes, if we could control ourselves or not. Its all in the authors intentions, for we to end up feeling divided between condemning her or forgiving her. But of course, not everyone feels divided, some people dont really connect to Lucy in anyway (many because are too attached to the idea of "I def wouldnt do all that if it had happen to me"), wich leads them to not feel any sadness while saying that she is entirely guilty. On the other one, there are some who just feel sorry for her for the sake of what happen, without any perssonal parallel to the character, wich is perfectly acceptable. But I think the other extreme doenst happen: for Lucy being totally innocent and all that happened is the fault of all the others that led her to do it. For me, thats just too "out there". Conclusion: for me, the intentions of this story are clear: its not meant to be a black or white situtation, its something that is meant to leave us divided in our feelings. Some get there, some do not. Quote:
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2009-09-05, 13:33 | Link #2790 | |
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A diclonious race could not exist in the first place. They would kill each other over a simple arguement. |
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2009-09-05, 14:43 | Link #2791 | |
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2009-09-05, 15:13 | Link #2792 | |
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Maybe I didnt express my views cleary enough, since I dont feel that what i said goes against your own. Even if one is left feeling sorry and feeling compasion to Lucy or any of the other diclonius, it doesnt mean that it considers them innocent. they ARE enterily guilty for their actions, even more that its mentioned that their DNA has a tendency to make them want to kill humans (personified in Lucy by the mental voice urging her to kill everyone). But that is yet another excuse to feel sad for them. We know that they are guilty, and its all because of their instincts (at least in a first stage). The trigger to fire those instincts is already very sensitive due to their obvious looks (and with kids, looks are a pretext for anything, specially a reason to abuse and make fun of, just like what happen to Lucy). And we do see their struggle to fight against these instincts, not just blindly giving up on them at the first time they manifest. And more, we see that it would just take a small and continuing sign of affection to control those instincts: Spoiler for :
I do think that it is normal to have these feelings for the characters, specially regarding Lucy, since its her past we see the most. But of course, it doesnt make her inoccent. In fact, personally, while whatching the last 2 episodes, I told myself "she is going to die, after all she's done. there is just no way to pardon her for her actions". But at the same time i felt really sad for her ending up like that. I dont see that farfetch to connect to Lucy since we see her painfull struggle up to the point when she just gives in. NEVER feeling that she deserves forgiveness, but at the same time having a little part of us wishing that there could be a way out for her. Actually, I think this is even more natural than not feeling sorry at all. But hey, I can cope very well with that, not eveyone is a sentimental freak like me |
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2009-09-05, 16:22 | Link #2793 | |
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if they don't then your right.
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2009-09-05, 16:48 | Link #2794 | |
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2009-09-05, 17:27 | Link #2795 |
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I have a question for those who watched the anime. What scenes in it angered you the most? Its strange how out of the whole series, the one thing that pissed me off the most and made me sad was a simple act of apathy. When that woman came and took Wanta [the puppy] out of Mayu's arms while completely ignoring her but acting happy about being reunited with her lost dog. As if Mayu weren't already hurting enough someone takes away her only friend and throws in an insult to boot. This was one scene that hit close to home for me [fortunately since I haven't experienced any of the other horrible acts] because I hate so much when people take you for granted and show no appreciation. You know, those conceited bastards that take a gift or favor and don't even a say thank you.
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2009-09-05, 17:36 | Link #2796 | |
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2009-09-05, 21:39 | Link #2798 | |
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plus the manga hints lucy didn't really care of making a new race so diclonius would have died out completely
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2009-09-06, 07:51 | Link #2799 | |
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True. The possibility of a diclonius race isnt achievable from the perspective that Lucy doenst really give a damn about it. But there is another factor: Spoiler for for manga:
There always seems to be something that actually doesnt make the diclonius race prosperity that impossible. |
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drama, ecchi, horror, loli, romance, seinen |
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