Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

[Isekaijin]

Why the hell nobody suspects the old man? He has just dissapeared. For all we know, he could still be there. The guy is crazy and dangerous. I will believe it was him all along and that he faked his own body in the first arc, until I see his body in this arc.

[Belum_nabum]

I am pretty busy so I would like to illustrate some of views with pictures. In general the music WAS GREAT! The information was nice and it looks like BATTLER FAILED! Unless of course he lied then again I DO NOT believe not a single word of red that is truth of Beatrice simply because she is with Satan.

Maria is still NUTS! She has a incredible split personality or simply possessed by Beatrice. That later might be bad if it is the case.


The proof is here as another instant within the same momentum she kisses Battler full of love that it may seem.

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I can't believe that BATTLER ADMITTED THAT HE BELIEVES IN WITCHES! Unless this is a lie, I am pretty disappointed. I hope he is lying to deceive Beatrice.

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Find Beatrice pretty crazy here but she already was to begin with. Just find it-----> with a major goosebump!

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They forgot to mention that magic combined has much less of this problem!

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VERY NICE RENDERED SCENE artistically!


Music before Godha got killed WAS AMAZING HERE! The goat men seem to be back and I know they are part of Satan. Wonder if the girl talking behind the door was Beatrice or another of the high demons such as Asmodeus?

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In the end I hope George will get the mirror out and SEAL BEATRICE! Also I wonder if Battler with Maria will solve the epitaph. I HOPE SO!
Hope the pics don't bother many as long as subs are out and PM if they might. I do think it makes it quicker for me to illustrate my points!

[jeroz]

Preview for ep11 is out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlXtSRrsE_8

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Not sure what kind of energy field is it, it's either trapping magic from Beatrice or a defensive shield set up by Shannon (Kanon got the sword so hopefully Shannon can have something as awesome as that).
Genji, what are you doing out there?
Battler got out of the "safe zone", looking cool as ever.
Butterfly above Kinzo, he's going to enjoy it very much.

wtf!? Bern wearing a goat head???
and looks like Rosa Musou will be included~ <3

[Christen]

Of course Rosa-Musou will be included. IT MUST BE.

[MeoTwister5]

Turn without Rosa-Badass is like rocky road ice cream without the nuts.

[Skullchukka]

Originally Posted by gtr06

any pics of Maria's kiss?

Spoiler for Maria's Kiss, big pic:

[Darkside]

I have high hopes in that Rosa-Musou will be one of the most epic scenes in the animated version.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Isekaijin

Why the hell nobody suspects the old man? He has just dissapeared. For all we know, he could still be there. The guy is crazy and dangerous. I will believe it was him all along and that he faked his own body in the first arc, until I see his body in this arc.

By old man you mean Kinzo? He didn't disappear in this arc. He's still inside his private rooms, supposedly.

Originally Posted by Belum_nabum

Wonder if the girl talking behind the door was Beatrice or another of the high demons such as Asmodeus?

It was Beelzebub, the stake of gluttony.

[risingstar3110]

So........ the appearance of Beato is the reason Battler do not believe in magic? Cause the real Battler did without seeing the witches, golden butterfly and "flying icepicks" sisters (while his meta version still does not)....

I still believe the narrator of Umineko is the trick behind the major mystery. The narrator trick us that we are seeing things from Meta-Battler's POV while we do not....

[Belum_nabum]

Originally Posted by Skullchukka

Spoiler for Maria's Kiss, big pic:

I got that one before you.
Seriously though it was cute but at the same time deranging as it was not common of Maria at all considering how she was some moments ago.

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

By old man you mean Kinzo? He didn't disappear in this arc. He's still inside his private rooms, supposedly.



It was Beelzebub, the stake of gluttony.

I should have had my doubts.....gluttony! RAAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEEE! Damn the Satanic family!
Thanks for info

[orion]

Why the switch? Can Beato and Kinzo exist on the same plane? You know like the existence of one contradicts the other.

Or does Beato=Kinzo in some warped way?

I stll find it hard to believe that Kinzo does not possess a master key.

[Belum_nabum]

Originally Posted by orion

Why the switch? Can Beato and Kinzo exist on the same plane? You know like the existence of one contradicts the other.

Or does Beato=Kinzo in some warped way?

I stll find it hard to believe that Kinzo does not possess a master key.

I know that Beatrice can take or make a servant shaped like Kinzo as an illusion. The reasoning for this is that Kinzo is supposed to be dead being burnt alive in a furnace in previous episodes.

I just read about the demons, I CURSE AND BANISH BEATRICE! Hope someone can do that in the anime. Too bad I can't go in that anime! I would blast Beatrice with some magic myself!

[sona-nyl]

And what proves that the same thing always happens in all Episodes ^.~??

[MeoTwister5]

You're all treading dangerous spoiler ground here you know.

[Belum_nabum]

Originally Posted by HanyuuChan

And what proves that the same thing always happens in all Episodes ^.~??

Proof might be only illusions in this case and magic. Logic cannot explain the cycle other than the self interest of Beatrice to win something out of it. Among many things I suppose is that quench the thirst of her servitors such as the 7 vices like Satan and those goat butlers or to have pleasure in savoring the pain of the victims such as her TWILIGHT planings of killing off 11 people, which I might think that Battler and Maria will be the last ones left.

Furthermore I HOPE A LOT that maybe another witch will screw over this Beatrice. As you can see from my pics BEATRICE HAS A PRETTY NASTY FACE!

[Evy]

I can't wait to see you guys' reactions at the following episodes.

[sona-nyl]

I agree they will probably be funny, my reactons where that when I played the novel.

[Arbane the Terrible]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

I still believe the narrator of Umineko is the trick behind the major mystery. The narrator trick us that we are seeing things from Meta-Battler's POV while we do not....

From comments Meta-Battler has made, I'm pretty sure he's not seeing everything we're seeing (otherwise, he'd be having a MUCH harder time denying Beatrice's magic). Which raises the obvious question, are we seeing everything he sees...?

[vandakiara]

oh I believe he sees everything we're seeing, just that he's really stubborn

[Fernando Hernandez]

Originally Posted by Belum_nabum

I DO NOT believe not a single word of red that is truth of Beatrice simply because she is with Satan.

Originally Posted by Belum_nabum

The goat men seem to be back and I know they are part of Satan.

I'm a little confused here. By Satan, do you mean the typical name used to refer to the devil himself? Because Satan is just one of the seven stakes, and she's not the ringleader. She's one of Beatrice's furniture, besides that, but you're implying that Beatrice is some kind of servant of Satan (as in, the devil). As far as I know there is no being as the devil in the Umineko universe; Satan just refers to one of the stakes, and Beatrice and the other witches aren't really affiliated with the devil. They're just beings that exist on some alternate plane, and many of them such as Beatrice get their kicks by having some twisted fun. But she's not some sort of servant of the devil, if that's what you're implying...sorry, it's just confusing when you refer to 'Satan' because it's not like the Umineko character Satan has a more prominent role than the other stake sisters or anything like that.

Originally Posted by Belum_nabum

I know that Beatrice can take or make a servant shaped like Kinzo as an illusion. The reasoning for this is that Kinzo is supposed to be dead being burnt alive in a furnace in previous episodes.

That was in the first arc. Remember that after episode 5, when episode 6 rolled around, everyone was alive again and the conference was on October 4th before anything happened? This is a new 'game board' for Battler and Beato. Everything that happened in the first arc has no sway over what happens (or at least what Beato shows us is happening) in this arc. Kinzo is still supposedly locked in his study, and I believe he was seen in the previous episode. Put aside everything that happened in the first arc and try to look at this one from Battler's perspective, as a 'what if' situation - this is an alternative to what happened during those two days, and he's watching it with knowledge of the first arc in his head. You can't solve the mystery if you ignore the details of the first arc, of course, but such things as who should be dead or how they died based on episode 1 don't apply here. This is a new 'game' now.