Bleach Episode 239 Discussion Thread

[Thewanderer]

Originally Posted by Lendial

someone probly mentioned this but is this the first time hitsugaya has been shown to use kidou?

He might've used some in one of the movies. I forget.

Originally Posted by Freya

It's probably the same with the other zanpaktous. After awhile they'll start to get weak and "die" or w/e.

But yeah. Come on. Vastolordes are like according to Hitsuya, with enough of them can take out SS. Saying that, you think Muramusa can take out a vasto? Yeah right.

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

There is no way ever that Muramasa would take out a Vastro Lorde, never.

Well he DID manage to restrain Hollow Ichigo...

Originally Posted by Mr. E

Sure, shinigami fighting the personifications of their zanpakto is pretty neat, but in the past two episodes there has literally been like 90 seconds of actual plot and the things happening are so cryptic it is getting a little frustrating.

Whatever happens, it can't be any worse than Kubo's current writing... *cough*

[Rahan]

Originally Posted by Crimson Cloud

I'll probably stick around till' subs come out. For those who watched, have they changed the opening already? Personally, I think it's about time...

Both opening and endings are supposed to be changed at episode 243.

Porno Graffiti (OP1 of the first season of FMA, OP2 of GTO) will do the opening and Sunset Swish (ED6 of Bleach) will do the ending.

[sayde]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Byakuya had also taken more than one hit by Ichigo in the fight before so he was not at his best while Ogichi came out with full power. Count in the surprise moment and you have Ogichi almost winning.

He took one cut to his arm and another to his hand prior to fighting Ogichi. Those are very minor injuries. So I think he was doing just fine until Ogichi took over. He still seemed at full strength to me. Ogichi on the other hand battled using an overexerted, wounded body, who's bones were already rattling. So I don't think Ogichi's advantage was really that great. I think he was just that good.

[Animecentred]

Okay why are people saying this is the first time Hitsugaya used Kido, he used it first when he (without incantation) sealed the room Momo was in back in the SS arc. (i believe its called Kyōmon - easy to break from the inside hard from the outside)

This was good episode, i have liked Hitsugaya for a while as he was teh only one to actually look into Aizen's death instead of presuming it was the rioka (spl). Also yay for Momo, she has been a secret favorite for a while(that kido spell that shattered her prison was awesome back in SS)

[Kafriel]

Porno Graffiti (OP1 of the first season of FMA, OP2 of GTO) will do the opening

They also did the OP for Bleach:heat the soul 6, so I kinda saw that coming.

Also yay for Momo, she has been a secret favorite for a while

Honestly speaking (well,typing) I'd say she keeps me interested as little as possible, maybe it's because she competes with Choujiro on screen-time:P

[Dextro]

Originally Posted by Rahan

Both opening and endings are supposed to be changed at episode 243.

Porno Graffiti (OP1 of the first season of FMA, OP2 of GTO) will do the opening and Sunset Swish (ED6 of Bleach) will do the ending.

Porno Graffiti? SOLD!

[I'monaboat]

Originally Posted by Rahan

Both opening and endings are supposed to be changed at episode 243.

Porno Graffiti (OP1 of the first season of FMA, OP2 of GTO) will do the opening and Sunset Swish (ED6 of Bleach) will do the ending.

Nice, cause the current opening sucks

[MidnightViper88]

Yeaheaheaheaheah it sucks, and I can't wait to get a new OP...

[kitten320]

Originally Posted by sayde

He took one cut to his arm and another to his hand prior to fighting Ogichi. Those are very minor injuries. So I think he was doing just fine until Ogichi took over. He still seemed at full strength to me. Ogichi on the other hand battled using an overexerted, wounded body, who's bones were already rattling. So I don't think Ogichi's advantage was really that great. I think he was just that good.

Byakuya was mostly taken by suprise, he had never seen something like this before. If he had met vizards, his reaction would be different and Hichigo would have harder time.

Originally Posted by Animecentred

Okay why are people saying this is the first time Hitsugaya used Kido, he used it first when he (without incantation) sealed the room Momo was in back in the SS arc. (i believe its called Kyōmon - easy to break from the inside hard from the outside)

This was good episode, i have liked Hitsugaya for a while as he was teh only one to actually look into Aizen's death instead of presuming it was the rioka (spl). Also yay for Momo, she has been a secret favorite for a while(that kido spell that shattered her prison was awesome back in SS)

Because no one saw him actually doing it. It is particulary the same reactionas when people got suprised that Soi Fon used Kido on Ggio Vega.

The only reason why Hitsugaya looked in the case was because of Momo. If not Momo, he wouldn't even bother.

Originally Posted by Rahan

Both opening and endings are supposed to be changed at episode 243.

Porno Graffiti (OP1 of the first season of FMA, OP2 of GTO) will do the opening and Sunset Swish (ED6 of Bleach) will do the ending.

That's about 4 more weeks of wait

[kamyu]

Originally Posted by Supermutant

I got the impression from Muramusa's attack on the hollow that he needed to 'feed' off of something. If this is accurate, I imagine it would figure into his plans with the other Zanpakto or be a consequence of his being without a master.

Great fight with the girls. Teamwork and kido is win.

i took it as him looking for a temporary 'home' so he could rest and not disappear as fast (and maybe slow the eyebleed..).

[monir]

Finally watched the episode. This was really good! Go Momo. I really didn't see this coming. Her candidness was touching and sheds a new light to her character. All we have seen from her is someone very naive. Yes, she is a very good person, but her naiveté self made it impossible (for me, at least) to sympathize with her. So when she gave that, "I can't wait to grow old" speech, it was so heart warming. Oh my god, Momo just grew as a character. Am I watching Kubo's Bleach for real?

The other highlight of this episode was Hitsugaya. The flashback was very good. Thus far with this arc, there have been a lot of episodes that just stopped short at being very well composed. This wasn't the case for episode 239. It never let up from the beginning.

I suppose the only dent comes from the fact Muramasa might have slain a Vasto Lorde. It looked like it. The saving grace was that it wasn't specified. Muramasa has absolutely no character exploration of any kind. These other figures like Vasto Lorde and such have underwent a lot of episodes to cement the fact these things are really strong. And Muramasa the upstart we know of nothing about, limping and all, eating away powerful hollows. Yeah, right.

Bleach filler writers will do well to not to follow the mistake made in the past anime-original arcs. This is a very good thing going on. Don't try to make characters appear powerful without exploring their background in some fashion. Congealment and cohesiveness to a character is very important. When a character like Muramasa is inflated more than it should be, it always falls flat with the fans when such character fails to deliver.

[GuruSharky]

Looks like a good episode. I'm actually watching it as we speak.

[Chaos Zangetsu]

Wow, you know what? If any of you people watched the Code Geass series before or are seeing the series now currently, then look at when Muramasa summoned his sword to kill the hollow that jumped down at him in the beginning of the episode. The light from his hand when he was summoning it formed the Geass Symbol with a circle around it at about 2:25 into the episode.

[Chaos Zangetsu]

The episode itself was okay. I do think the younger matsumoto in Hitsugaya's flashback wasn't very well made up, it recked of cheapness and her breasts were even more outrageous in proportion to the actual body.
Now, why did Hitsuguya's zanpaktou lose it's memories before Muramasa when no other zanpaktou had? We'll probaly never know that but maybe it's because Hitsugaya's zanpatou has such great supposed power so it was kinda easy looking for Hitsugaya to go shikai because his zanpaktou never got all of it's power tooken away into the spirit's form.

[Thewanderer]

Originally Posted by Chaos Zangetsu

Now, why did Hitsuguya's zanpaktou lose it's memories before Muramasa when no other zanpaktou had? We'll probaly never know that but maybe it's because Hitsugaya's zanpatou has such great supposed power so it was kinda easy looking for Hitsugaya to go shikai because his zanpaktou never got all of it's power tooken away into the spirit's form.

It might've been the effect Muramasa had on Hyorinmaru. For Zangetsu, it was a "Find out if Ichigo grew enough by trying to kill him" thing. For Kazeshini, it was a "This guy won't kill enough, fk him" thing. For Zabimaru, it was a "lol he's a noob" thing. For Hyorinmaru, it was an "I don't remember you" thing.

Oh and how Hitsugaya was able to shikai was because Hyorinmaru wasn't aware that he COULD stop him(like Zangetsu explained, Ichigo couldn't bankai because he didn't want Ichigo to). No memories of Hitsugaya using Hyorinmaru's powers meant that he couldn't stop the kid from going shikai.

[Haak]

So is it possible that Murasama is actually a Vasto lorde himself and not a zanpaktou spirit?

[Thewanderer]

Or maybe a zanpakuto of a VL-class arrancar, cause I doubt he isn't a zanpakuto himself.

[Codex]

Originally Posted by Chaos Zangetsu

Now, why did Hitsuguya's zanpaktou lose it's memories before Muramasa when no other zanpaktou had? We'll probaly never know that but maybe it's because Hitsugaya's zanpatou has such great supposed power so it was kinda easy looking for Hitsugaya to go shikai because his zanpaktou never got all of it's power tooken away into the spirit's form.

I'm personally of the opinion that it was a traumatic result of separating Hyourinmaru from Hitsugaya. In other words, Muramasa wasn't able to "persuade" Hyourinmaru to leave, a forceful separation (or outright brainwashing) was the only way to get Hyourinmaru, and he wasn't able to resist Muramasa. Resistance isn't entirely surprising, since Ryuujin Jakka was able to do so, and successfully. The other captain-level zanpakuto were probably more savvy, worldly or experienced than Hyourinmaru (who does come across as a bit of an innocent and is too forthcoming and honest to be capable of duplicity) and simply went along with Muramasa to see where things went.

Well, except maybe Ukitake's zanpakuto, who were probably lured out by the promise of real candy or a fun day out with Shunsui's zanpakuto.

In any case, this turn of events pretty much cements my feeling that the captain-level zanpakuto (at least those of the more respectable captains) are not really rebelling per se. Minazuki, Katen Kyoukotsu, and Sougyou no Kotowari (the zanpakuto of the senior captains) are likely working together on their own agenda even as they sealed Ryuujin Jakka. And there's definitely something up between Senbonzakura and Byakuya -- they have probably reached an understanding of some sort. Both are probably too gentlemanly to duke it out when they could discuss things over tea.

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

Cool episode. A nice fight with the girls and Hyorinmaru and Hitsugaya's fight was pretty interesting too. His power looks far beyond what Hitsu has drawn out himself. Mmm I guess this scene with Muramasa is fairly heavily implying its a VL. He did take out a numerous amount of MG's at the same time, so why not a VL... although I don't like that since we haven't really seen one of them in the main arc so we can't really judge their ability. That and and it throws things out of whack and makes it feel off.

Also, didn't Muramasa tell Ichigo in their battle that he killed his Shinigami? So I think its probably doubtful that he was an Arrancar's zanpakutou.

Looking forward to seeing Shunsui's and Ukitake's zanpakutou's myself.

[Thewanderer]

^ he said he killed his MASTER, IIRC.