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its NEVER a fair fight no matter what at the end of the day, its just who's better during that praticular point in time @ HollowScar would you have expected kallen to be the leader ?
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2009-10-07, 10:51 | Link #21563 |
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She is the ace of Black Knights, and got way more brains than this douche Ougi. So yes, for once I agree with you, after Zero, Kallen should have the fabulous-command poses. Her, or Toudouh, ok, I should not be that biased.
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2009-10-07, 11:14 | Link #21564 |
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Well, I don't think that Kallen would be very good for a command position. She's booksmart and has good battle instincts, but she would be way to emotional to command a bunch of people. Granted, she may be more competent than Ougi; granted, Ougi always struck me as a competent 'nuts and bolts' leader (finances, requisition and the like). He just sucked at tactics and threat assessment.
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2009-10-07, 11:17 | Link #21565 | |
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Anyway, you ask me, no one form Black Knights could lead them to a successful rebellion, partly because they all lacked one thing and another. That is why they were noobs, until Zero/Lelouch came along. No accident, he was the one to de-sink them from the bottom of noobness.
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2009-10-07, 13:00 | Link #21566 |
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None of the Black Knights, with the possible exception of Xingke, comes close to having the complete package required of a leader that Lelouch has.
Heck, the only thing Lelouch lacked was physical/combat prowess. Though he was able to compensate enough with Gawain/Shinkiro to deal with almost everyone else in a battle. Kallen's just way too emotional at the current time. It would've also weakened her combat ability too much if she had to worry about the entire army in a battle. She does her best work when she has a single focus in mind, in my opinion. |
2009-10-07, 13:03 | Link #21567 |
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i agree
kallen's best at what she does lelouch was best at what HE did no one has everything (xing-he comes close) and thats what makes a good team team-work but i disagree about lelouch being able to "handle" anyone in battle pit him against anyone with a name, and he's in over his head, even with his custom mecah
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2009-10-07, 13:14 | Link #21568 |
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Well I'm going by the assumption that the majority of the named pilots are obviously better combat pilots than him which is why I said "almost everyone else".
Named pilots are a minority in battles after all, even if they have the most impact. Honestly, everyone except Tamaki would probably beat him in an equal fight with the same KF unit. |
2009-10-07, 19:30 | Link #21569 |
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I think Toudou, Xingke, and Kallen would make great leaders for the black knights. Xingke can create plans for the initial formations then lead. Once Xingke coughs blood he can pull out and give the black knights orders on how to attack. Toudou can lead the group invasion plans when invading enemhy territory. Kallen can tear apart any enemy lines and destroy formation. If ever Toudou or Xingke cannot issue any attack orders the black knights just needs to assist Kallen then everything is a win.
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2009-10-07, 23:59 | Link #21570 | |
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2009-10-08, 05:15 | Link #21571 | |
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2009-10-08, 05:22 | Link #21572 |
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what i ment by come close is that he has both brains and strength
he is both an excellent fighter (2nd tier) and a great commander and strategist (a step below lelouch and shnizel though) no character has both these traits other then him which is why i said he comes close
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2009-10-08, 05:49 | Link #21573 | |
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The point is, Xing-ke is way emotional and you cannot really trust him. Lelouch is emotional too, but he manages to keep his cool pretty much always. Same with Schenizel, except that Schneizel is emotional as rock, so that give him an +1. So yes, XingKe < Kallen piloting for example. And XingKe < Lelouch + Schenizel So, you saying, that he comes close, is wrong. /pwned, lol
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2009-10-08, 05:53 | Link #21574 |
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you exaggerate what i said
xing-ke has both piloting skills and leadership skills he's not the best in either field, but he is on the second tiers on both fields which makes him the closest to having the full set besides, its not like xing-ke is the only one who jumps at the gun the second his mortality pet is threatened
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2009-10-08, 05:56 | Link #21575 | |
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Maybe you are over-exaggerating Xingkeeee's abilities. Not my issue.
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2009-10-08, 06:01 | Link #21576 |
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suzaku is better then him in what ?
piloting skills is a given, but command skills ? come on... and lelouch himself was shown to be beyond emotionally willing to jump the gun when people he cares about are in danger see his actions when nunnaly or kallen are in danger in mid battle
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2009-10-08, 06:04 | Link #21577 | |
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POINT IS, no, XingKe is pretty much like Cornelia, Toudouh and so on. He is on the same salad as them. Kallen (and Suzaku ok) = best pilots. Lelouch = best frontman Xingke as you claimed being a step below the above persons is like, NO WAY. He is way in the back, like Cornelia and all the same "good-average pilot and strategist, but that's it." Get it now? p.s i know very well that Lelouch was jizzing in his pants while Kallen was being epic, and then wet his pants when she got captured, thank you. That was not my point though.
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i said that no one is perfect in that no one has every skill kallen is a great pilot lelouch is a great commander both lack the skills in the other field xing-ke comes close to being a complete package, but only CLOSE because he is second tier on both fronts Quote:
able to out strategize lelouch at one point and fight on par with kallen for a few minutes before getting into a deathtrap cornellia and toudo are both pretty good pilots and strategists, but he's a step above either of them
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I was wise to stay away some time from asuki, no headaches landed on my head, but now that is back. My spaghetti is waiting for me, feel free to worship Xingke moar in Kallen's thread. Loli has left the building.
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