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velvet · 2009-10-12, 06:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

My current desktop. Try and outcute it. Just try.

-----/hide Yumina----

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Outcute what again?

/steal Yumina

btw.. I thought everyday is loli day?

SaintessHeart · 2009-10-12, 07:37

Lolicon =/= pedophile.

The term lolita actually refers to a female who looks like a pre-pubescent female (cute and flat-chested), hence the term lolicon means that someone who likes girls who look like lolis. And since looks aren't everything, it is evident that someone who criminalises lolicons as pedophiles aren't very well-read, lack intelligence to tell differences and obviously myopic to the extent that they bathe in their own ignorance.

On the other hand, pedophiles often use the term as a getaway and hence the general population (which are not very intelligent in general too) affiliate both terms as synonymous to each other when there is actually no connection between their meanings at all.

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Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

Since Raiga's posts suggests we're not being total purists here about what constitutes a loli...

My current desktop. Try and outcute it. Just try.

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Spoiler for bam:

Raiga · 2009-10-12, 09:40

Whoa, is this an out-cute-ing contest we have now?

Spoiler for Hissatsu!:

07th_Expansion_FAN · 2009-10-12, 10:07

^ Took me 10 seconds before I notice Gurren Lagann back there.

Spoiler for Motivational Poster:

Spoiler for Who doesn't love Golden Darkness/Yami? She's so cute!:

Evil Rick · 2009-10-12, 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Lolicon =/= pedophile.

The term lolita actually refers to a female who looks like a pre-pubescent female (cute and flat-chested), hence the term lolicon means that someone who likes girls who look like lolis. And since looks aren't everything, it is evident that someone who criminalises lolicons as pedophiles aren't very well-read, lack intelligence to tell differences and obviously myopic to the extent that they bathe in their own ignorance.

On the other hand, pedophiles often use the term as a getaway and hence the general population (which are not very intelligent in general too) affiliate both terms as synonymous to each other when there is actually no connection between their meanings at all.

May I ask yoyr source for that definition?

I don't know who gave you that definition of Lolikon but I'm afraid it's wrong. Lolikon doesn't mean pre-pubescent female, Lolikon it's actually the same as pedophile (sexual fantasy involving preteens, childs and babies), in fact, in Japan some bastards disguse child porn under the name of Lolikon (correctly spelled Rorikon) because both words has the same definiton.

There's nothing to be asahamed, unlike real child porn in the anime or manga lolikon no real chil is being forced or phscological harmed so there's nothing wrong with it.

Check this site with the oficial definitons if you don't belive the word of this poor user.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lolicon
http://www.allwords.com/details-lolicon-2863570.html

So, it turns out that:

Loli_ (comes from the word Lolita= Origin in the book lolita) = Teen or Pretten who looks seductive. / No porn.

Lolikon_ (correctly spelled Rorikon) means "lolita complex"= Sexual fantasy involving Preteens= Pedophilia/ Porn.

07th_Expansion_FAN · 2009-10-12, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Evil Rick

Lolikon_ (correctly spelled Rorikon) means "lolita complex"= Sexual fantasy involving Preteens= Pedophilia/ Porn.

That's not ALWAYS the case.

Evil Rick · 2009-10-12, 11:44

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Originally Posted by 07th_Expansion_FAN

That's not ALWAYS the case.

Of course that it's not always the case. I just posted the definition, it may have variations.

Vexx · 2009-10-12, 12:48

That's *a* definition, not *the* definition

The "urban dictionary" in particular seems to reflect the bias of a certain faction on the Internet. I've put in a number of corrections there over the years that were ignored both for technical slang and anime slang.

The "term" both evolves and means different things in different factions.... "loli" and "lolicon" have become almost useless to use as a descriptor unless you really know to whom you are speaking.

kenjiharima · 2009-10-12, 12:50

1011=loli

I loled.

Spoiler for lolis after a shota and more on the background:

0utf0xZer0 · 2009-10-12, 13:33

@SaintessHeart:
I will admit that Azusa comes pretty close. Despite my tendency not to display my otaku side in public, part of me wishes I had preordered a *NYAN* shirt:
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/goods/goods...Y=NEOGDS-10884

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Rick

May I ask yoyr source for that definition?

I don't know who gave you that definition of Lolikon but I'm afraid it's wrong. Lolikon doesn't mean pre-pubescent female, Lolikon it's actually the same as pedophile (sexual fantasy involving preteens, childs and babies), in fact, in Japan some bastards disguse child porn under the name of Lolikon (correctly spelled Rorikon) because both words has the same definiton.

There's nothing to be asahamed, unlike real child porn in the anime or manga lolikon no real chil is being forced or phscological harmed so there's nothing wrong with it.

Check this site with the oficial definitons if you don't belive the word of this poor user.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lolicon
http://www.allwords.com/details-lolicon-2863570.html

So, it turns out that:

Loli_ (comes from the word Lolita= Origin in the book lolita) = Teen or Pretten who looks seductive. / No porn.

Lolikon_ (correctly spelled Rorikon) means "lolita complex"= Sexual fantasy involving Preteens= Pedophilia/ Porn.

English speaking anime fans frequently use the term "loli" to refer to young anime girls who are neither seductive nor sexually attractive. Regardless of the origin of the word, it simply does not carry that meaning anymore for most fans.

A great deal of the Urban Dictionary definitions I've seen of both "loli" and "lolicon" don't really match with the general usage of the term. And some are just plain strange, like the poster who implies lolicon porn is legal since the age of consent in Japan is 13 (wrong, it's legal in Japan because it's drawn).

Kamui4356 · 2009-10-12, 14:24

I for one find it hilarious that someone would use urbandictonary as if it's a reliable source. It's a dictionary, as interpreted by 4chan.

Also lolicon is the normally accepted romanization, not rorikon. ラリルレロ (らりるれろ in hiragana) can be romanized as either ra ri ru re ro or la li lu le lo. Since we'reusing a word that's already sort of english, we go with the english spelling, so we use loli, not rori. Likewise the コ can be romanized as either ko or co. While ko is prefered using the hepburn system, since were reromanizing a word that originally came from english, we go with what's closer to the english spelling, so co in this case. Of course you can point out that the ン should then be romanized as m and not n, but that's usually only done if the ン is followed by a b or p series kana (バビブベボパピプペポ). Since the ン is at the end of the word, there's less room for playing with it. Of course in the full phrase, it is romanized as m because it's followed by a p sound.

Raiga · 2009-10-12, 17:39

Lolicon comes from lolita complex. So, yeah... L's and C's. Final n is kinda left by virtue of the abbreviation no longer having a labial consonant following it and because lolicom sounds kinda weird. I mean, we don't say sarariman for "salaryman" (another word that believe it or not went from English to Japanese and back to English).

... I'm discussing the semantics of lolicon, wow, sometimes I just gotta take a step back and reorient myself with reality...

Spoiler for Back on topic!:

~~Tsuyoshi~~ · 2009-10-12, 17:49

Can't believe this thread is still active

There's a song named Moi Lolita by a French singer named Alizée actually. Just wanted to share this with everyone.

And to be on topic:

Spoiler for Cuteness:

Because there's no better way to promote a psychological thriller/horror manga.

velvet · 2009-10-12, 17:52

Nothing else I could add to the discussion. Well done, gentlemen.

Now shall we continue with the celebration?

Spoiler for Oniichan~:

is what I hope she isn't saying, because it will somehow melt my brain.

I suppose my stance is clear here,

So which one of us will cross the line first, I wonder?

@Raiga
Ouch Shinobu. Not that I don't expect it...
You leave Nadeko out of this okay?

@Yoko Takeo
IIRC, a mixture of Hanyuu usually deepens the impact by folds.

mg1942 · 2009-10-12, 18:24

if you encounter this type of 1011 steer clear cause...

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0utf0xZer0 · 2009-10-12, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoko Takeo

Spoiler for Cuteness:

Because there's no better way to promote a psychological thriller/horror manga.

I'm not sure how I feel about posting cosplay in a loli-day thread, but I think Tomoyo's renditions of Rika and Satoko are too good not to get posted. She does a damn good job of cosplaying a few other loli characters as well.

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Originally Posted by velvet

@Raiga
Ouch Shinobu. Not that I don't expect it...
You leave Nadeko out of this okay?

Spoiler for cute:

Nadeko is too freaking adorable.

xxBANGitsaly · 2009-10-12, 19:21

you guys are forgetting classic loli

Spoiler for CAEK:

mg1942 · 2009-10-12, 19:39

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Originally Posted by xxBANGitsaly

you guys are forgetting classic loli

Spoiler for CAEK:

(nomnomnom)

now that's the realest O.Gs right there

~~Tsuyoshi~~ · 2009-10-13, 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

I'm not sure how I feel about posting cosplay in a loli-day thread, but I think Tomoyo's renditions of Rika and Satoko are too good not to get posted. She does a damn good job of cosplaying a few other loli characters as well.

Her cosplays have always been the best of the best. I remember quite a few of her Amane Misa cosplays among a few others.

Anyways. moar:

Spoiler for size, and because I can:

SaintessHeart · 2009-10-13, 07:32

You guys need a lesson to differentiate between real cute lolis and just cute lolis.

Here is an example of a real cute one :

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2009-10-12, 09:40	Link #83
Raiga tl;dr Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 32	Whoa, is this an out-cute-ing contest we have now? Spoiler for Hissatsu!: Question: how long before you noticed the robot in the background? __________________

2009-10-12, 10:07	Link #84
07th_Expansion_FAN Witch-Hunter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Channelview Age: 30	^ Took me 10 seconds before I notice Gurren Lagann back there. Spoiler for Motivational Poster: I think it's a bit funny Spoiler for Who doesn't love Golden Darkness/Yami? She's so cute!: Yes, you're adorable. __________________ Last edited by 07th_Expansion_FAN; 2009-10-12 at 10:31.

2009-10-12, 12:48	Link #88
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	That's a definition, not the definition The "urban dictionary" in particular seems to reflect the bias of a certain faction on the Internet. I've put in a number of corrections there over the years that were ignored both for technical slang and anime slang. The "term" both evolves and means different things in different factions.... "loli" and "lolicon" have become almost useless to use as a descriptor unless you really know to whom you are speaking. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2009-10-12, 12:50	Link #89
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	1011=loli I loled. Spoiler for lolis after a shota and more on the background: __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2009-10-12, 14:24	Link #91
Kamui4356 Aria Company Join Date: Nov 2003	I for one find it hilarious that someone would use urbandictonary as if it's a reliable source. It's a dictionary, as interpreted by 4chan. Also lolicon is the normally accepted romanization, not rorikon. ラリルレロ (らりるれろ in hiragana) can be romanized as either ra ri ru re ro or la li lu le lo. Since we'reusing a word that's already sort of english, we go with the english spelling, so we use loli, not rori. Likewise the コ can be romanized as either ko or co. While ko is prefered using the hepburn system, since were reromanizing a word that originally came from english, we go with what's closer to the english spelling, so co in this case. Of course you can point out that the ン should then be romanized as m and not n, but that's usually only done if the ン is followed by a b or p series kana (バビブベボパピプペポ). Since the ン is at the end of the word, there's less room for playing with it. Of course in the full phrase, it is romanized as m because it's followed by a p sound. __________________

2009-10-12, 17:39	Link #92
Raiga tl;dr Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 32	Lolicon comes from lolita complex. So, yeah... L's and C's. Final n is kinda left by virtue of the abbreviation no longer having a labial consonant following it and because lolicom sounds kinda weird. I mean, we don't say sarariman for "salaryman" (another word that believe it or not went from English to Japanese and back to English). ... I'm discussing the semantics of lolicon, wow, sometimes I just gotta take a step back and reorient myself with reality... Spoiler for Back on topic!: __________________

2009-10-12, 17:49	Link #93
~~Tsuyoshi~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Great Justice	Can't believe this thread is still active There's a song named Moi Lolita by a French singer named Alizée actually. Just wanted to share this with everyone. And to be on topic: Spoiler for Cuteness: Because there's no better way to promote a psychological thriller/horror manga.

2009-10-12, 17:52	Link #94
velvet "with you, happiness" Join Date: Jan 2007	Nothing else I could add to the discussion. Well done, gentlemen. Now shall we continue with the celebration? Spoiler for Oniichan~: is what I hope she isn't saying, because it will somehow melt my brain. I suppose my stance is clear here, So which one of us will cross the line first, I wonder? @Raiga Ouch Shinobu. Not that I don't expect it... You leave Nadeko out of this okay? @Yoko Takeo IIRC, a mixture of Hanyuu usually deepens the impact by folds. __________________

2009-10-12, 18:24	Link #95
mg1942 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008	if you encounter this type of 1011 steer clear cause... Spoiler for : this 1011 is dangerous for real!

2009-10-12, 19:21	Link #97
xxBANGitsaly Rabid Fangirl Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada	you guys are forgetting classic loli Spoiler for CAEK: __________________ signature by the talented risa-chan

2009-10-13, 07:32	Link #100
SaintessHeart NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~ Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 35	You guys need a lesson to differentiate between real cute lolis and just cute lolis. Here is an example of a real cute one : Spoiler for big: __________________ When three puppygirls named after pastries are on top of each other, it is called Eclair a'la menthe et Biscotti aux fraises avec beaucoup de Ricotta sur le dessus. Most of all, you have to be disciplined and you have to save, even if you hate our current financial system. Because if you don't save, then you're guaranteed to end up with nothing.