2009-09-06, 09:31 | Link #2361 | |
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I'm not sure how to explain this without going into too much technobabble, but unless humans start reproducing mitotically (i.e. asexually), there is very rarely -- if any -- chance of one human to be exactly identical to another person. Even monozygotic twins (i.e. identical twins) can retain morphological similarity, yet not genetic identity. In the course of identification, DNA compatibility between two persons need not be 100% exact to determine whether you're the biological parent/child of another person. In fact, I don't think even our current DNA fingerprinting techniques can reach more than 95% fidelity in identification. Regardless, assuming the accuracy of Midchildan technology to be undisputable, you need only 99.9% compatibility to be considered genetically related to another person. But, humans are all 99.9% genetically identical! Which is true, unless you are a chimpanzee or an orangutan or something else. The wonder of the human genome in circumventing this problem is that it is large enough that a very minute difference (of less than 0.001%) has a very high discriminating power in distinguishing biological relatives from one another. I could try explaining this a little more easily if I could draw the ASCII diagram out, but alas, I couldn't get it to work properly. |
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2009-09-06, 11:07 | Link #2363 |
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I'm pretty sure the writers intended them to be clones or something similar. The words Mariel said to Quint were "Your genetic structure is identical to Subaru and Ginga". Not related, identical. And considering how Jail had to use cloning just to give Nove a Wing Road copy... <<
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2009-09-06, 11:17 | Link #2364 |
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That means Quint had two IS? Oo
So it's not Nove getting a different IS, its that she only got half of the goods, while the deadlier IS was lost in the production process, since both Ginga and Subaru have the 2 IS.
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2009-09-06, 11:40 | Link #2365 | |
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DNA is not a static entity, even if it's not entirely alive per se. Like cells, they change and mutate over time. So, an absolute correlation cannot be drawn between the original and the clone if random factors are taken in. This is, however, only useful for observation purposes and not practical. To put them outside the safe room and into the world entails the changes that would definitely come with the exposure. The argument for the issue at hand is whether it's appropriate to consider Subaru, Ginga, and Nove as Quint's clones. In Quint's case, Subaru and Ginga could be called her 'clones' based on the fact that their DNA compatibilities are highly similar and that they function relatively normal like their original counterpart (no loss of half an eye, muscular dystrophy, missing an arm or a leg, etc.). It is erroneous to consider them 'exact' (100%) copies of Quint, simply because they aren't. If they are, then that would mean that they cannot be cyborgs because Quint wasn't one. That is to say, Subaru and Ginga (and Nove) are Quint's 'clones', but they are not 'exact' copies of her in the sense that part of genome had to be modified to accommodate the changes for cybernetic implants. If you need a clearer distinction, think of it this way: the Stormtroopers in Star Wars: Attack of the Clones are the clones in the best absolute meaning. Subaru, Ginga, and Nove are only functional clones of Quint just as Fate is a functional clone of Alicia. ~~~~ Funny that you'd ask me how they were made, Kha. The basic concept of cloning is similar to in vitro fertilization, with a few extra steps prior. You first procure the desired piece of DNA (or the entire genome, if you like) and increase the amount (and perhaps even engineer it) through molecular biology techniques. Once done, you get the embryonic cells compatible for growth (i.e. if you're going to clone humans, the best embryonic cells would be the inseminated egg from humans and not from rabbits, for example), void the nuclei of the cells, and insert the external DNA into the cells. Once done, the embryonic cell is usually placed in a surrogate mother (or, in Jail's case, a highly doubtful technique in liquid culture) awaiting normal pregnancy and finally birth. |
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2009-09-06, 11:55 | Link #2366 |
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Ah, point. Forgot that some additionaly tampering had to be made in order to make cyborg bodies compatible to cybernetic stuff. <<
Hm... I forget, were Subaru and Ginga created by Jail specifically, or someone else? I'm wondering if maybe, instead of Subaru's Vibration Shatter coming directly from Quint, it was another extra something the scientists accidentally or intentionally added to the mix. |
2009-09-06, 12:11 | Link #2367 | |
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Now, if those scientists were to introduce new elements into the entire process by accident or intention, this would further prove that Subaru and Ginga are farther from the 'exact' copy of Quint issue, isn't it? |
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2009-09-06, 12:35 | Link #2368 |
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Her DNA was taken prior to that encounter though.
Remember, they were FOUND by Quint Nakajima... and she was later told they had her DNA. So she adopted them as her Daughters. Then later Zest's totally screwed up Raid occured. So the most likely place to look for where her DNA got yanked would be medical records. The TSAB has some serious medical tech. DNA records are probably common. |
2009-11-30, 23:42 | Link #2370 |
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Okay so the latest chapter of the Nanoha 1st movie manga has reviled how familiars are created.
step 1. Find a random animal step 2. Feed you magical energy into said animal turning it into a familiar step 3. Make a binding contract with familiar (contract time may very) step 4. When the contract is complete familiar disappears so any thoughts on this?
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2010-01-25, 14:58 | Link #2375 | |
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There is a rank above sheer strength, and a rank about efficiency- which, at lower levels, is done through tests (higher levels i guess would be akin to handing in a thesis). When you look at descriptions of spells for example, there is ranks for cast time, speed of the spell, how much control you have over the vector of the spell, and the pure power in it. As well as specifications about 'secondary effects' like total seal break or electricity and so on. Hayate is SS because of her power and the fact she is in control of the book of the night sky- she can't be anything else, as someone of her abilities can't be ranked lower. Then there are the tests: there are two kind of tests, the ones about 'mage tests', and the ones about 'TSAB armed-force Test'. Normal test are control, theory, and some minimal battling abilities. The one about the armed force, you see in StrikerS. Edit: moved that here |
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2010-01-25, 15:26 | Link #2376 | |
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Think of it as Kilometers to measure distance and Kilograms to measure weight. Only in this case, they are using the term "rank" for both, which does help confuse. Which means you're trying to quantify a mage, a rough guess is the best you can do. You can measure individual spell strength, but the overall measure of a mage is their rank, which must be tested to know for sure. It's easiest to look at it, if you think back to the beginning. Two mages, Joe and Bob, are trying to determine who is strongest. They have a match set with rules, and Joe clearly comes out the victor. They decide to call Joe "A" rank and Bob "B" rank. Along comes Alice, who can also beat Bob, but loses to Joe. So now we have Joe as A, Alice as B, and Bob as C. As time went on, they diversified ranks a bit more, but overall, it was a way to tell how strong a mage was overall, when compared to another mage. Mages kept getting stronger, so they went to AA, then AAA, then S and SS. This is just how I look at it. It's sorta like an IQ test in a way; you're being compared to your peers. And spell ranks are a whole 'nother ball of wax. |
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2010-02-09, 21:17 | Link #2377 |
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The Gallians in Nanohaverse need to convene with the rest of the multiverse to work out a proper SI unit system that would at least make a bit more sense rather than break down once we start analyzing it!
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2010-04-16, 12:18 | Link #2378 |
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http://www.news.com.au/technology/bo...-1225852806454
Fabric armor anyone? Just thought I give this topic a boost with added new SCIENCE
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2010-04-16, 12:28 | Link #2379 | |
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It's rather hard to image a T shirt stopping a bullet. The bullet may not penetrate the material, but the force of the impact is still going to get absorbed by what's under the material.
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