2009-12-07, 03:15 | Link #1841 |
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The difference is that Akane stops at the last moment, waiting for Natsuru to actively do something. And "hey, you kissed others *pout* kiss me too!" isn't going to cut the mustard for someone as hardwired and thick as Natsuru. That _is_ realism.
Had she pulled a Shizuku on him and actively kissed him, she might have gotten what she was looking for. Now, I understand that it's not in-character for her to do it (and it's part of her personal appeal), but where would the realism have been if Natsuru had suddenly actively done it? |
2009-12-07, 03:22 | Link #1842 | |
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It was not an aggression like with new moe type, but rather a flirt that was hiding things. Quite similar to Horo from Spice and Wolf - flirt allows you to escape complete honesty, which only happens in a really emotional moments for such characters. Quote:
In regards to Shizuku she is much more healthier than those, quite similar to Madoka, who only held herself back only because her best friend was in love with her love interest (it did not stop her from flirting with him quite openly though). What Shizuku has - her flirting was increased in aggression compared to Madoka, but thats the matter of times. In 80's Madoka's flirt was also considered to be very aggressive, even if when we compare it now with Shizuku's flirt it looks quite innocent. But I do find a much more similarities between the archetypes we discuss rather than differences. The most obvious differences come from the differences of times rather than from the differences of characters. Thats why I believe that Hiatgi and Shizuku archetypes are the modernized version of the old (classic) tsundere archetypes. 1) Capable and confident, in a cool/calm way (Madoka, after the time-skip Hayase, Sheryl, before her downfall and after she finds her purpose again) 2) Playful/flirtatious (Madoka, Sheryl) 3) Open and honest about their feelings, and acting on them (this is a matter of definition of flirt, because over excessive honesty looks like a flirt thus can also hide ones feelings as it confuses your love interest if you are serious or just playing, feelings that Lawrence, Araragi and Natsuru are quite familiar with. Sheryl and Madoka played a flirt often as well). 4) Overall kind disposition (devious streaks are welcome though) - I do not really understand this part of definition of a character. Looks very vague to me. Quote:
It doenst make her a shallow attention whore as some here like to portray her. She did not care if everyone adored her or not (differently from Asuka but again Asuka lacked self confidence because she always felt she was unworthy to exist to begin) it only started to matter when she met someone whom she started to get attracted to. Now the question is if she got attracted to Natsuru because he was not responding to her, or his unresponsiveness just fueled her interest further. I believe it was second and she would not care if the guy who she has no interest in, would not pay attention to her. |
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2009-12-07, 05:47 | Link #1844 |
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I'm almost positive this has been asked several (maybe many more times in this thread, but is there a link to english translations of the light novels? Maybe even summaries? Because, from what I can tell, the story is much deeper then a typical 14-24 episode anime and the manga isn't much farther ahead (last I saw, it was behind the anime).
That and those covers really leave alot to the imagination. Thanks in advance. |
2009-12-07, 05:48 | Link #1845 |
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I personally feel it has nothing to do with the fact that Natsuru shows no interest or is unresponsive to her advances that makes her attracted to her... Frankly such a shallow reason really condescends a character....
I had always though the initial point of attraction was the fact that he stopped Akane from shooting her and finishing her off during their first battle. I thought she took an interest in him after he told her he thought that you'd die if you shot a kampfer, that's the point where she found an interest in him and by enrolling him in the girl's side and watching from the distance served to deepen that interest into a romantic one. Personally I feel it's not based on the fact that he's unresponsive to her seductive advances but more she was already interested in him after the fight.
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2009-12-07, 05:53 | Link #1846 | |
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but you can find summary of vol 10 in manga thread by hellraiser-bro, and since this is anime thread, you must ask about it in manga thread. See you there |
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2009-12-07, 08:08 | Link #1847 |
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What I'm looking forward to is how Natsuru will react next episode
I mean - based on the animation he obviously "came to" after Shizuku's kiss, but before he fondled Shizuku's bare breast and whatever they did while we were shown the animals. He obviously was still confused and in a daze the next day, but when Shizuku asked him if he was feeling alright again, he shrieked up eyes wide in shock. My expection: He will have remembered the scene. And it will be extremely interesting to see how he will deal with it... whether he remembers that Kaede made him do it... and why Shizuku put his lights out. Because if he does remember, it might 1) put a real dent into the angel face of Kaede in his mind 2) make him aware that just maybe Kaichou _does_ have feelings for him after all. |
2009-12-07, 08:35 | Link #1848 | |
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2009-12-07, 09:15 | Link #1849 |
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Im hoping that Natsu is able to break Sakura's mind control by sheer will. Therefore showing that hes not just a pawn. However im wondering what motivation he would have to have to break her mind control and will he still have his memories if and when it happens?
I think this episode will be very important for Natsu character. Im thinking seeing all his friends get the crap kicked out of them will be the breaking moment and maybe Shizuku as well.
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2009-12-07, 09:26 | Link #1850 | |
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Look like the last boss will appear in episode 12th and I think it's will be the longest episode of Kampfer 1st season. hmm....btw, look like Shizuku know who she dealing with, so she make that expression in the next episode preview, I mean she know what behind Sakura that make all of this happened |
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2009-12-07, 09:50 | Link #1851 | |
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2009-12-07, 09:55 | Link #1852 |
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I only realise it now. The voice actor of Shizuku is the same o Hiromi in True Tears and Tsubaki in Soul Eater. Kaori Nazuka
Her job in this episode was very dificulty, and perfect.
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2009-12-07, 11:23 | Link #1853 | |
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And yes, she perfectly fit Shizuku image in this series. One more people under Shizuku fans flag Hyahahahaha. Hey Thread Stater! why don't you make a poll for this series? after re-watch episode 10 I lol at 06.53 while Shizuku blushing and Mikoto and Akane think how cute she is Look like Sakura not the only one who spread Yuri virus in this series |
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So I'll say that I really don't find it good that she had to go that far just to see him react. It really did seem to spark of bad writing and character favoritism. Quote:
Also, I don't find it any less realistic considering his nature to give Akane a kiss than letting Shizuku kiss him. If someone actively tells you to kiss them, then the depths of your denseness would have to rival a neutron star to not see where you stood with that person. But that's obvious I guess, seeing as Shizuku's kisses weren't enough to get him to understand. He'd probably have to be told flat out. So I'll just say that they made that scene with Akane while they were drunk or something and went back to favoring Shizuku in the plot. I won't even get into the slowly weaning the yuri into Mikoto and Akane(that totally made me wallbang, but hey, maybe they'll get together. But Christ, I hope they don't become Shizuku's pets or something. Dear god no.). Well, I'll just see what happens from here. |
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2009-12-07, 11:50 | Link #1855 |
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Except the EPISODE EXPLICITY SAYS THESE THINGS, the characters do things in certain ways to make these situations logical. Naturally Sakura's closeness is going to pick Shizuku's already love love attitude with natsuru. She's pragmatic and is killing 2 birds with one stone. |
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2009-12-07, 11:56 | Link #1857 |
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Your whole notion of reality or not, plausible or not. If you don't like the direction of the show stop watching, especially when you call the later half of the series a red herring. I mean ok the girl you like isn't the focus, it's not the end of the world, and it's not bad writing if your ship sinks.
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2009-12-07, 12:02 | Link #1859 | |
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Give me a break. Tell me I'm not the only one that now sees that scene as a red herring? Do I really look like such a shallow and superficial person? Puh-lease. Obviously, some part of you would refuse to see any bad quality that surrounds Shizuku, even if it stared you straight in the face. I will most certainly watch until the end, however, I will say what I feel to be obtuse writing here and there, if you don't like that, then don't respond to me. |
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