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rogerpepitone · 2009-11-12, 21:24

Medical nitroglycerin is stabilized, and isn't taken in sufficient quanties to be explosive.

pmoys · 2009-11-13, 07:31

Awesome! Ok, it was just a thought.

I'll try to come up with something more thoroughly researched next time.

Renall · 2009-11-13, 14:38

Small bombs is silly. There's a much easier explanation for burst stomachs: A blade.

We already know one must exist on the island; Nanjo and Kumasawa have their throats cut later in the same episode, and throats are cut in ep5 (it's possible it was initially fake, but if the red is accurate, the real killer made sure it wasn't fake at some point in the same manner). The blade is sharp enough to cut through a human throat, so it's not a huge stretch to imagine it can cut open the stomach.

It does depend, of course. If the throat-cutting device is a knife or a scalpel (both would be plenty sharp enough to cut a throat), it gets harder to imagine cutting open a stomach. On the other hand, if it's something like a butcher's knife (which Gohda almost certainly has in the kitchen and wouldn't probably notice one missing) or a sword, it's incredibly easy to accomplish all the tasks that would seem to require cutting.

There's no reason at all to believe the stomachs burst from inside, that the candy was in them beforehand, or any of that. Someone cut them open and shoved it inside.

Jan-Poo · 2009-11-13, 16:57

Well I think it was clearly stated that the stomaches were cut. If it was a bomb regardless of the explosive potency you would definitely notice, the wounds wouldn't be that clean, and the sweets themselves would be torn apart.

Small bombs is just impossible.

pmoys · 2009-11-13, 21:12

Small bombs is a fun theory to play with though, and a fun meme.

luckyssol · 2009-11-17, 16:47

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Originally Posted by LyricalAura

A while back I guessed that it had to do with Hideyoshi's death, which the trial didn't even bother to examine. If you exclude Natsuhi as a culprit but continue using Erika's thought process, you're naturally led to suspect that Eva killed her husband and then tampered with the door in some way, possibly conspiring with Gohda. However, since Natsuhi being in the closet could be a lie, it's possible that whoever entered the room last when the scene was discovered had actually slipped out of the closet, which is in a blind spot relative to the rest of the room.

On the other hand, since Natsuhi is alive and we saw her POV in the closet, that wouldn't be consistent with the "lies can only be presented by collaborating observers" theory. So lately, I've started to think that Hideyoshi wasn't dead in the first place. Instead, what Natsuhi heard from the closet was an act for her and possibly Eva's benefit. This would explain why Hideyoshi just happened to come into the room Natsuhi was hiding in and how he "died" even though the supposed killer couldn't have escaped a search of the room. There's not even a reason to believe he was staked, since by the time Erika arrived on the scene, the stake had already (apparently) been pulled out by Eva, and Erika very loudly announced that she didn't care about the body and wasn't going to examine it.

If Hideyoshi didn't die... hmmm there is no red text. You are right...

I wonder why they would put on an act to fake Hideyoshi's death. The mysterious caller could have contacted Eva and Hideyoshi after George's death. If the caller told them that Natsuhi killed George would Eva and Hideyoshi agree to a wierd plan to frame Natsuhi??

After that, Natsuhi she tried to sneak back to her room but Erika caught her. She must have known she was hiding in there...

LyricalAura · 2009-11-17, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Ssol

The mysterious caller could have contacted Eva and Hideyoshi after George's death. If the caller told them that Natsuhi killed George would Eva and Hideyoshi agree to a wierd plan to frame Natsuhi??

After that, Natsuhi she tried to sneak back to her room but Erika caught her. She must have known she was hiding in there...

If there is some bizarre frame-up going on and Erika is involved, that would certainly go a long way toward explaining her weird behavior. She could be playing the detective role because someone hired her to do so, and the co-conspirators would naturally go along with that.

That would even give a reason for her to have come to the island secretly before the typhoon started. If I remember correctly, all of the background checking of Erika's story was conducted by Genji, and he was apparently part of this bizarre fake murder scheme, so any information he gave Natsuhi is obviously untrustworthy.

Ceath · 2009-12-16, 06:56

Hmm I was on niconico before and noticed an EP6 title Dawn of The Golden Witch.
Not too sure on its validity though.

luckyssol · 2009-12-16, 07:05

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Originally Posted by Ceath

Hmm I was on niconico before and noticed an EP6 title Dawn of The Golden Witch.
Not too sure on its validity though.

It's real but it is not released yet.

Episode 6 discussion should go in this thread until one of the mods makes an episode 6 thread.

yuugi99 · 2009-12-16, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Ceath

Hmm I was on niconico before and noticed an EP6 title Dawn of The Golden Witch.
Not too sure on its validity though.

yeah and it will be released on 31 Dec. 15 days countdown!!!

But where's the english translation of eps 5???

hope its released before eps 6.

Ronove · 2009-12-18, 20:30

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Originally Posted by yuugi99

yeah and it will be released on 31 Dec. 15 days countdown!!!

But where's the english translation of eps 5???

hope its released before eps 6.

Hmm... this is a problem though. Once Episode 6 is out, many people would want it, but will be distracted with the Translations! Noo! I want to spoil myself by reading Spoilers =w=.

Jokon · 2009-12-21, 02:54

k//eternal · 2009-12-21, 02:59

With Kinzo already dead but his death unackowledged and hidden, his legal status should be that he's still alive. Since the person count was reduced for his death despite him being "legally" alive, this doesn't hold.

Similarly, no authorities are able to process anyone's deaths on the island during the game, so the red clearly isn't bound by legal status.

Ronove · 2009-12-24, 19:06

Hmm. Do we haev to go so in term with these words? Legal... alive... blah blah blah.

Remember Episode 3:

Eva-Beatrice declared everyone has died (but Jessica, Eva, and Battler) AFTER Nanjo died. So does the red count during when it's said? This could alter a lot of thinking, and Kinzo is friggin' dead (or at least that's his corpse)

Marion · 2009-12-24, 21:16

She declared them dead after Nanjo died, but that doesn't mean they all dropped dead right before she said the text

The red text in EP 3 with Evatrice was just that the listed 15 people were already dead when she said it in red - it never mentioned when they died, hence Battler could make a theory that

X person killed Nanjo
X person then died somehow
Evatrice declared all those people dead.

Cyanide.dream · 2009-12-25, 08:59

You guys have any idea when the patch will be released ! I'm very anxiousto play it

Jan-Poo · 2009-12-25, 09:12

"very soon" is the only answer that can be given at the moment. Probably any time from now to 2 weeks.

Dlanor A. Knox · 2009-12-25, 10:19

ok got 1 question after i saw ep 5. ??? tea party scene:

Spoiler for who the heck?:

Kitsu · 2009-12-25, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dlanor A. Knox

ok got 1 question after i saw ep 5. ??? tea party scene:

Spoiler for who the heck?:

It's a famous italian writer. He was the one who wrote the divine comedy. Umineko is full of references to it. Such as the name "Virgilia" and even more obvious "Beatrice". there a some more I believe.

Dlanor A. Knox · 2009-12-25, 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitsu

It's a famous italian writer. He was the one who wrote the divine comedy. Umineko is full of references to it. Such as the name "Virgilia" and even more obvious "Beatrice". there a some more I believe.

Spoiler for ep 5:

2009-11-13, 16:57	Link #1684
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Well I think it was clearly stated that the stomaches were cut. If it was a bomb regardless of the explosive potency you would definitely notice, the wounds wouldn't be that clean, and the sweets themselves would be torn apart. Small bombs is just impossible. __________________

2009-12-21, 02:54	Link #1692
Jokon Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009	<wrong thread> Last edited by Jokon; 2009-12-21 at 02:59. Reason: Wrong thread

2009-12-25, 09:12	Link #1697
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	"very soon" is the only answer that can be given at the moment. Probably any time from now to 2 weeks. __________________

2009-12-25, 10:19	Link #1698
Dlanor A. Knox Crazy but OK xP Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Netherlands Age: 31	ok got 1 question after i saw ep 5. ??? tea party scene: Spoiler for who the heck?: Who the heck is Dante?

2009-11-12, 21:24	Link #1681
rogerpepitone Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	Medical nitroglycerin is stabilized, and isn't taken in sufficient quanties to be explosive.

2009-11-13, 07:31	Link #1682
pmoys Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009	Awesome! Ok, it was just a thought. I'll try to come up with something more thoroughly researched next time.

2009-11-13, 14:38	Link #1683
Renall BUY MY BOOK!!! Join Date: May 2009	Small bombs is silly. There's a much easier explanation for burst stomachs: A blade. We already know one must exist on the island; Nanjo and Kumasawa have their throats cut later in the same episode, and throats are cut in ep5 (it's possible it was initially fake, but if the red is accurate, the real killer made sure it wasn't fake at some point in the same manner). The blade is sharp enough to cut through a human throat, so it's not a huge stretch to imagine it can cut open the stomach. It does depend, of course. If the throat-cutting device is a knife or a scalpel (both would be plenty sharp enough to cut a throat), it gets harder to imagine cutting open a stomach. On the other hand, if it's something like a butcher's knife (which Gohda almost certainly has in the kitchen and wouldn't probably notice one missing) or a sword, it's incredibly easy to accomplish all the tasks that would seem to require cutting. There's no reason at all to believe the stomachs burst from inside, that the candy was in them beforehand, or any of that. Someone cut them open and shoved it inside.

2009-11-13, 21:12	Link #1685
pmoys Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009	Small bombs is a fun theory to play with though, and a fun meme.

2009-12-16, 06:56	Link #1688
Ceath Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	Hmm I was on niconico before and noticed an EP6 title Dawn of The Golden Witch. Not too sure on its validity though.

2009-12-21, 02:59	Link #1693
k//eternal do you know ベアトリーチェ様? Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 35	With Kinzo already dead but his death unackowledged and hidden, his legal status should be that he's still alive. Since the person count was reduced for his death despite him being "legally" alive, this doesn't hold. Similarly, no authorities are able to process anyone's deaths on the island during the game, so the red clearly isn't bound by legal status.

2009-12-24, 19:06	Link #1694
Ronove Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009	Hmm. Do we haev to go so in term with these words? Legal... alive... blah blah blah. Remember Episode 3: Eva-Beatrice declared everyone has died (but Jessica, Eva, and Battler) AFTER Nanjo died. So does the red count during when it's said? This could alter a lot of thinking, and Kinzo is friggin' dead (or at least that's his corpse)

2009-12-24, 21:16	Link #1695
Marion The Great Dine Join Date: Feb 2009	She declared them dead after Nanjo died, but that doesn't mean they all dropped dead right before she said the text The red text in EP 3 with Evatrice was just that the listed 15 people were already dead when she said it in red - it never mentioned when they died, hence Battler could make a theory that X person killed Nanjo X person then died somehow Evatrice declared all those people dead.

2009-12-25, 08:59	Link #1696
Cyanide.dream Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009	You guys have any idea when the patch will be released ! I'm very anxiousto play it