Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 26 Discussion / Poll

[kuro_usagi]

This episode..EPIC FAIL! x(

[Arkwright]

I don't think it's out of the question for the "Beatrice" to say "Who am I?" even if she represents an inanimate object, because as she currently appears she is appearing as a human.

Also, just because Lambda says she used to be a human doesn't really mean much. It's a purely magical scene so there are some who would choose to ignore it altogether. It's also possible that Lambdadelta is lying in that scene. See: Sakutaro.

[Golden Witch Drugs]

Okay, so I haven't written a review on a couple of episodes now, BUT I'M BACK!!!!

Spoiler for Episode 26:

Pros:
- Damn good "Golden Land" scene
- Small bombs <3
- Beato pain is WIN
- Those boobs are probably fake but MY GOD Beato's tears are real
- Lambda x Bern is L-O-V-E


Cons:
- Very rushed episode
- AngeXBattler scene was FAIL
- Kinzo dragon?
- No BattlerxBeato embrace?!!?!?!?!?!!?!
- NO. TROLL. BERN. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Overall impression:
Bleh. I really thought DEEN would step it up and deliver this flawless, but nooooo. It was way too rushed, lack of BGM's, AND THEY SKIPPED ALL THE EPIC PARTS!! Shame DEEN. Anyways, I'll be nice and give this a 7.

[maximilianjenus]

what annoys me about the ange scene is that it breaks the theory of "lying in red kills you".

[Jan-Poo]

I'm more annoyed by the people who made that claim. You can't lie in red not even if you want it. Ange "died" because she broke Bern's rule.

[Midnight Bliss]

Originally Posted by Excorsism

What is the significance behind discovering George and Maria's corpse? I realize that the four cousins, after the incident, went missing but I can't connect the dots. If it's spoilerific, spoiler tag it or PM it to me, por favor.

Spoiler for ep 4:

Discovering George's corpse wasn't anything important. Discovering Maria's corpse next to Rosa, he had the theory that she had been poisoned not long before and died next to Rosa. Not finding Kanon's corpse leads to some theories about him and Beatrice and Battler discussing while firing the blue and red truth at each other, and during the Lambdadelta and Bernkastel scene, Lambdadelta denies a lot more things in red than showed in the anime, one of them about the killer in the second game and about Kanon's death in the first game.

[Leinne]

Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

what annoys me about the ange scene is that it breaks the theory of "lying in red kills you".

She didn't lie, Beato clearly specifies that:
# A world where magic that isn't mine certainly cannot exist
# This is my Golden Land
# A world where magic that isn't mine certainly cannot exist
And who is Ange, in her witch form she is, after all, ANGE-Beatrice, theefore her magic has part of Beato's magic (especially a magical capacity pump like with EvaB). She's Beatrice, so her magic works in the golden land

[Kite22]

Battler didn't even dissipear because he lied, it was because he felt his entire existence itself was a lie.

[maximilianjenus]

I can't find the relation in that, what I meant is ange telling batler she was his sister is a lie, so lying in red is what kills her.

[June 1983]

No. That isn't why she dies. She dies because she reveals her name, which she was not allowed to do according to the rules of the game.

You can't lie in red. If Ange wasn't Battler's sister, then that means that she wouldn't have been able to say it, not that she would die. That means that she is Battler's sister.

[blitz1/2]

Originally Posted by June 1983

No. That isn't why she dies. She dies because she reveals her name, which she was not allowed to do according to the rules of the game.

You can't lie in red. If Ange wasn't Battler's sister, then that means that she wouldn't have been able to say it, not that she would die. That means that she is Battler's sister.

Which is another flaw for episode 26.

We missed Ange's determination to recover her brother's spirit, a lot of touching red text. (Again, drama project >> this ep)

And wasn't that Lambda's rule not to reveal her name not Bern's?

I think people should just listen to the drama in order to grasp the situation because the ep is misleading a lot.

[Rei-Tenshi]

Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

I can't find the relation in that, what I meant is ange telling batler she was his sister is a lie, so lying in red is what kills her.

As mentioned already, Ange dies because she broke the rule about revealing her name to Battler.

Spoiler for Proof:

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Arkwright

I don't think it's out of the question for the "Beatrice" to say "Who am I?" even if she represents an inanimate object, because as she currently appears she is appearing as a human.

That doesn't make much sense, if she's asking "Who am I?" she has to be a person. You don't use "Who" for inanimate objects, as far as I know. If she's something that is not human she could have perfectly asked "What am I?" even is she looks human.

Originally Posted by Arkwright

Also, just because Lambda says she used to be a human doesn't really mean much. It's a purely magical scene so there are some who would choose to ignore it altogether. It's also possible that Lambdadelta is lying in that scene. See: Sakutaro.

Why would she be lying? Battler wasn't there. We, the players, do not exist for them. The only ones during that scene were Beatrice and 34. So, there's no one to deceive. There's absolutely no reason for her to lie.

[moldy_tomato]

Originally Posted by Used Can

That doesn't make much sense, if she's asking "Who am I?" she has to be a person. You don't use "Who" for inanimate objects, as far as I know. If she's something that is not human she could have perfectly asked "What am I?" even is she looks human.

However, "Who am I?" is still used in many riddles, where the answer is an inanimate object.

[Kitsu]

You can't lie in red. If Ange wasn't Battler's sister, then that means that she wouldn't have been able to say it, not that she would die. That means that she is Battler's sister.

Correct because Beato would have died already. Everything red is true or something. That would have been a lie and Beato should be dead

[Arkwright]

Originally Posted by Used Can

That doesn't make much sense, if she's asking "Who am I?" she has to be a person. You don't use "Who" for inanimate objects, as far as I know. If she's something that is not human she could have perfectly asked "What am I?" even is she looks human.


Why would she be lying? Battler wasn't there. We, the players, do not exist for them. The only ones during that scene were Beatrice and 34. So, there's no one to deceive. There's absolutely no reason for her to lie.

Well, Sakutaro is an inanimate object and I imagine his personification would say "Who am I?" and not "what." Same deal with the stakes, presumably. Because even if they are technically objects, they are supposed to believe they are alive, so they act like it.

As for "Why would she be lying," well, it's not like this is even my own opinion, but it's possible. An example I can think of: Lambdadelta (or someone else) animated a doll and gave it false memories of being a human once, which is now represented by the witch Beatrice - so she'd just be trying to intimidate Beatrice based on Beatrice's memories. As for why she'd bother keeping up the illusion, maybe she thinks Beatrice is more likely to care about her own life (and thus try to win) if she thinks she is "human" rather than "furniture."

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by moldy_tomato

However, "Who am I?" is still used in many riddles, where the answer is an inanimate object.

Ah... I had no idea about that. But, all the same, unless Beatrice can be many different things, I'd say chances for her being something that's not human are 0.

Originally Posted by Arkwright

As for "Why would she be lying," well, it's not like this is even my own opinion, but it's possible. An example I can think of: Lambdadelta (or someone else) animated a doll and gave it false memories of being a human once, which is now represented by the witch Beatrice - so she'd just be trying to intimidate Beatrice based on Beatrice's memories. As for why she'd bother keeping up the illusion, maybe she thinks Beatrice is more likely to care about her own life (and thus try to win) if she thinks she is "human" rather than "furniture."

Hmm... that's possible, but in my own opinion, highly unlikely.

[bereal31]

Originally Posted by moldy_tomato

However, "Who am I?" is still used in many riddles, where the answer is an inanimate object.

It could be also be animal. Who knows? Maybe Kinzo is secretly keeping a lion or something, he did secretly keep a mistress. This could account for how some bodies could be so mutilated.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I'm more annoyed by the people who made that claim. You can't lie in red not even if you want it. Ange "died" because she broke Bern's rule.

Bern's rule. Don't you mean Lambda's rule I don't think Bern would jeopardize her victory with a rule like that.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by blitz1/2

Which is another flaw for episode 26.

We missed Ange's determination to recover her brother's spirit, a lot of touching red text. (Again, drama project >> this ep)

And wasn't that Lambda's rule not to reveal her name not Bern's?

I think people should just listen to the drama in order to grasp the situation because the ep is misleading a lot.

Nevermind it was Lambda's rule