Animated movies e.g pokemon

[Rhia]

Is it me or do the animated movies *eg yu-gi-oh,pokemon* give japanese anime a bad name?
I mean i tried to get my friend to watch anime once and she was like "no im not watching that japanese anime sh**, i think its stupid with their weird animals and their dumb voices* meaning the dubbed over version* " i tried to explain that some anime was ALOT different but she didnt want to hear it so do you think these animes give the other animations look bad.. and because no other type of anime has been released it sort of gives the impression that all japanime is about wars with cards and strange creatures..
What do you think??
P.S I wasnt dissing yu-gi-oh as ive never watched it but ive never been to keen on pokemon

[Entropy]

The short answer is...Yes.

The long is that it does indeed give a bad impression.It's terribly sad,because anime is so big in terms of the number of shows that almost anyone can find at least one thing they like(It's true too,I've seen haters pick up a show because they liked the theme it was set in).All the crap released like the "mons" does is give the uninitiated the idea that all anime is like this,when it truely isn't.

It's a terrible waste if you ask me.

[LynnieS]

What gets translated, edited, and imported out of Japan is, more often than not, what is already popular. There's already an audience for "Yu Gi Oh!", for example, and "Pokemon" is raking in the cash hand over fist. Japanese companies are just like every other; they're trying to make a living also.

If enough people get interested in the genre from watching kiddie shows, some of them might keep enough of their interest to buy/watch/talk about other and more mature series.

Costs might also be an issue too. It can't be cheaper than even a season's worth of an anime series.

Wait till "Steamboy" comes out, and see if your friend is willing to go watch it. It's very good, IMHO.

[Melazoma]

Originally Posted by LynnieS

What gets translated, edited, and imported out of Japan is, more often than not, what is already popular. There's already an audience for "Yu Gi Oh!", for example, and "Pokemon" is raking in the cash hand over fist. Japanese companies are just like every other; they're trying to make a living also.

If enough people get interested in the genre from watching kiddie shows, some of them might keep enough of their interest to buy/watch/talk about other and more mature series.

Costs might also be an issue too. It can't be cheaper than even a season's worth of an anime series.

Wait till "Steamboy" comes out, and see if your friend is willing to go watch it. It's very good, IMHO.

Or Innocence--I saw the Innocence trailer in the theatre showing The Bourne Supremacy--damn it was really, really something.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by Melazoma

Wait till "Steamboy" comes out, and see if your friend is willing to go watch it. It's very good, IMHO.

I can confirm that.

[mememe]

you seem to forget that the animes u are talking about are directed at kids and what kids usually grow up with they keep you'll probably find that in a couple of years a lot of older anime will come out on TV and a lot of other ppl will watch it. mons is just a popular genera of the moment like sailor moon was a very long time ago.

The problem could be that the networks think that these generas work and think that there is no audience for other anime or that they are just too lazy or scared of losing ratings if they put a different anime on.

I don't think they give anime a bad name but just limits its broadness of shows.

[DNE]

its when they make the characters speak english, it sux! they dont have the right ppl to do it, their voices sounds gay

[OutPhase]

It seems to be that if you're an anime on TV having a movie you will suck against your own will, but if you don't have an anime on television you will rule and forever be left unquestioned. The only anime related movies that didn't suck was DBZs The Worlds Strongest and all 3 Sailor Moon movies, but still I only really liked the first one a lot.

The first 2 Pokemon movies sucked and the 3rd one was average. I hated the other DBZ movies with an undying passion, and the Cardcaptorrs Sakura movies give the anime a bad name. I can sum up the first movie with one line from the movie:

Originally Posted by Kero from the first CCS movie

This trip was hell.

Well said and the same can go for the 2nd movie.


I have to admit that I didn't like the Cowboy Bebop movie as much as the show. I found my disliking toward the movie depressing since it's based off on of my favorite anime.


It's a trend to make a movie that sucks based off a TV anime. This is just the first piece of evidence. I rest my case.

[Radd]

No. Horrible editing and poorly concieved 'americanization' give anime a bad name. The Pokemon show, early episodes at least, weren't bad in their uncut form. Heck, they were downright entertaining. Same goes for the movies, at least the second movie and the movie with Latia and Latios is really good, uncut at least. Decent story, nothing groundbreaking, but fun and well animated.

The Digimon "movie" was pieced together from several short movies of varying quality. The best of wich were gorgeous and had a full, well done story unto themselves, crammed together with a lesser story with tv quality animation and a noticible change in drawing style.

[Radd]

Originally Posted by Razer_2mb

It seems to be that if you're an anime on TV having a movie you will suck against your own will, but if you don't have an anime on television you will rule and forever be left unquestioned. The only anime related movies that didn't suck was DBZs The Worlds Strongest and all 3 Sailor Moon movies, but still I only really liked the first one a lot.

Patently false.

'Arcadia of My Youth' and 'Do You Remember Love?' remain some of the best movies to come out of Japan, and both are based on tv series. Macross Plus, the Patlabor movies, and others also rank very, very highly.

[mememe]

Originally posted by Radd
Horrible editing and poorly concieved 'americanization' give anime a bad name

editing of anime is kind of disturbing and can be ruining the whole story plot because some scenes deemed "controversial" are what really give the anime something more and make it more entertaining seeing that everything is not so clean cut. Cutting out the scenes make licence anime suck! eg:
sailor moon- editing so salior neptune and Uranus are cousins insted of lovers
carcaptors- cutting out scenes that shows the sexuallity preferance of the older brother, tori (heard this on the net not too sure if its true)

[mangafan]

Originally Posted by Rhia

Is it me or do the animated movies *eg yu-gi-oh,pokemon* give japanese anime a bad name?
I mean i tried to get my friend to watch anime once and she was like "no im not watching that japanese anime sh**, i think its stupid with their weird animals and their dumb voices* meaning the dubbed over version* " i tried to explain that some anime was ALOT different but she didnt want to hear it so do you think these animes give the other animations look bad.. and because no other type of anime has been released it sort of gives the impression that all japanime is about wars with cards and strange creatures..
What do you think??
P.S I wasnt dissing yu-gi-oh as ive never watched it but ive never been to keen on pokemon

l don't think so because these anime is for kids and u know how strict can be the rating thing if there show for exemple Naruto or some others that have a lot of fighting with blood!!!!!!!!!!! too much rating ruined the true anime...!!!!!!!!!!
if u want to know if an anime is good u have to watch the ones that have a topic that interest u and u can judge from there but don't judge too much from the tv because their target r kids. for kids everything should be fine and have a happy ending and kids suppose to live in a fairy world that why most of the anime they show has magic ...

[jennwenn]

I don't think the kiddie shows give anime a bad name. Children's entertainment is a big part of animation, and the fact that something like Pokemon and Digimon can entertain kids across cultures (with the help of some editing) is pretty cool to me. Isn't it neat how thousands of kids across the world think Pikachu is the cutest thing ever? I mean its either that, or they think anime is cartoon porn so I say let them think anime is for kids.

There are many other anime titles out there to broaden the horizons of your friend if they think its only kids stuff. Try Ghibli, Steamboy, Millenium Actress, etc. Maybe that will work? If they still don't care, well I'd give up on them.

What I think gives anime a bad name is all the fans who think Girls Bravo, KimiNozo, and other crap is the best anime ever and made them cry or whatever. Or the ones who deny that Kenshin and One Piece were made for younger teens. Don't try to make it more that it is. It drives me crazy.

EDIT - No, I changed my mind. I think its okay if people like something I don't like. Everyone's different right?

[babbito2k]

I don't think it's a big problem. After all, Spirited Away won an Oscar. The New York Times pummeled the new Yu-Gi-Oh! movie but also allowed as how anime movies were usually much better.

Anime is not an art form, it's just a medium. Kids like what they like, and a lot of it is repetitious and cheesy.

Yu-Gi-Oh! etc. have a positive impact on the American market. They get kids interested in anime, and some of those kids will become fans and get into stronger titles later on.

If older people want to use those shows as an excuse to either swirl around in a limbo of kid's junk or ignore anime altogether, that's fine by me. I don't want to see the day when every show is tailored to their level.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by babbito2k

After all, Spirited Away won an Oscar. The New York Times pummeled the new Yu-Gi-Oh! movie but also allowed as how anime movies were usually much better.

Hell forget just the New York Times,try everyone

[babbito2k]

Originally Posted by Entropy

Hell forget just the New York Times...

I don't care about the Yu-Gi-Oh! movie - and I don't pity the idiots who went and reviewed it.

The point is that the Times made the point in its review that anime isn't usually so shallow and cheesy.

I guess it's only as shallow and cheesy as this when it's pre-sanitized for the American market.

[Kensuke]

Originally Posted by jennwenn

I think its okay if people like something I don't like. Everyone's different right?

Exactly, I bet for every single anime there those who love it and those who hate it. Those are just opinions but there are still people who bash someone who don't like their favorite anime.


But how much editing is used today in US? Both Sailor Moon and Card Captor Sakura are not-so-new series (and they both have unedited DVD releases, I believe), now when anime is becoming more and more popular, do they still "americanize" recent anime series when they show them in the TV?

Anime series here are usually Finnish dubs of the american versions of show (like Pokemon and Beyblade) or English dubs (Rayearth, DBZ), rare exception is Digimon, which is original, unedited version with Finnish subs.

[Sakuba]

i blame it on the american dubbing, they always censor, scenes that make the actual show good, and they use some really bad voice talents

[Ashi-chan]

I won't say very much on the topic since I'd be too biased. I am, after all, one of those kids who grew up watching Pokemon, Digimon, etc. and retained that fandom even up to this point. ^.^;;

Originally Posted by Radd

No. Horrible editing and poorly concieved 'americanization' give anime a bad name. The Pokemon show, early episodes at least, weren't bad in their uncut form. Heck, they were downright entertaining. Same goes for the movies, at least the second movie and the movie with Latia and Latios is really good, uncut at least. Decent story, nothing groundbreaking, but fun and well animated.

I agree. I've seen up to movie four, and each time I was so moved by the story that I had to stifle urges to cry.

If you guys want more reason why editing and Americanization suck...4Kids themselves ruined Pokemon, not only by bad editing but also through intimidating the Japanese writers. They threatened the Japanese Pocket Monsters staff that they would cease buying Pocket Monsters and releasing it in America if they continued writing in "risque" jokes and innuendos. Also, the only reason why Kenji/Tracey was created was because the Japanese writers thought the American fans didn't like Takeshi/Brock, and they wanted to please the overseas fans. Of course with that brilliant move, both Japanese and overseas Pokemon fans became infuriated because Takeshi actually had a surprisingly large fanbase.

The Digimon "movie" was pieced together from several short movies of varying quality. The best of wich were gorgeous and had a full, well done story unto themselves, crammed together with a lesser story with tv quality animation and a noticible change in drawing style.

As bad as "Digimon the Movie" was, I must commend the dub writers from devising a continuous storyline from the three very unrelated Digimon Adventure movies. Take note, I still think the dub movie is horrendous, but the piecing together a new story from three distinct ones is quite a feat.

On the varying animation quality, the first and second Digimon movies were poorly drawn, but the third movie, while fuzzy in some action scenes, had beautiful animation, much better than the TV animation. Although my major qualm against movie three is the lack of Taichi-tachi, but then again it was a season two feature. Ahh, but Jyou-kun was so pretty in the third movie...

[jennwenn]

Originally Posted by Ashi-chan

If you guys want more reason why editing and Americanization suck...4Kids themselves ruined Pokemon, not only by bad editing but also through intimidating the Japanese writers. They threatened the Japanese Pocket Monsters staff that they would cease buying Pocket Monsters and releasing it in America if they continued writing in "risque" jokes and innuendos. Also, the only reason why Kenji/Tracey was created was because the Japanese writers thought the American fans didn't like Takeshi/Brock, and they wanted to please the overseas fans. Of course with that brilliant move, both Japanese and overseas Pokemon fans became infuriated because Takeshi actually had a surprisingly large fanbase.

Oh so THAT's why Brock wasn't in the anime anymore! What the heck gave them the impression that people didn't like him?! He was my favorite character! That episode where he wore that apron and cooked for his little brothers and sisters was SO CUTE. He's the closest that show had to a hot guy. (I think "James" is gay so he doesn't count, though he's cool. ) Actually, I stopped watching around the time they took out Brock. It was too boring.