Hayate no Gotoku manga (raw discussion only)

[Bastion_Arcion]

Originally Posted by zibi88

athena kinda had a refreshemnt and it would be more funny and could bring more development to nagi.... like she saw ultra mature athena and sees that haayte has candy eyes for her...... so she would try to act mode modest like athena (simly change herself) and not remain "angry like hayate mentioned" or childish.... athena was more serious on way younger age...

I find this statement particularly amusing. The closest thing to 'eye candy' that Athena held for Hayate, Nagi has already seen. She's the character known as Hinagiku, and Nagi's already growing in maturity because of it.

Also, why do people still think the debt is about the money? It's become pretty clear that none of the characters see it as such anymore.

Hayate has given his heart and word to protecting Nagi, that's the 'debt' now.

[Game8910]

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

I find this statement particularly amusing. The closest thing to 'eye candy' that Athena held for Hayate, Nagi has already seen. She's the character known as Hinagiku, and Nagi's already growing in maturity because of it.

I dont think Hinagiku can "match up" to Athena if you know what I mean....thats what zibi was talking about as well

[Bastion_Arcion]

Originally Posted by Game8910

I dont think Hinagiku can "match up" to Athena if you know what I mean....thats what zibi was talking about as well

Hayate has openly stared at Hinagiku. She may not think she stands a chance because of lack of physical development, but she clearly does in Hayate's view.

Considering that she definitely does have the type of body a guy would lust over, I think she's just denying that breasts aren't everything.
An unfortunate misconception the current world gives us.

[zibi88]

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

I find this statement particularly amusing. The closest thing to 'eye candy' that Athena held for Hayate, Nagi has already seen. She's the character known as Hinagiku, and Nagi's already growing in maturity because of it.

Also, why do people still think the debt is about the money? It's become pretty clear that none of the characters see it as such anymore.

Hayate has given his heart and word to protecting Nagi, that's the 'debt' now.

well if nagi officialy tells Hayate that she will accept everyone as his girlfriend (Hina,Ayumu ect simply one of them) than she can stay........ but if she acts selfish by acting like Hayate is her object/tool and no one besides her can approach it...... than I hope she will disappear (I mean Athena even thorught holding love feelings for hayate for 10years... for hayates sake of new gained friends and his life as now she backed off)

So if Nagi tells to hayate that he can go out with anyone he wants (has feelings for that person) and its not nessesery her (nagi)... than ok she matured..... but if she stays like she was durring the athen arc. like Ayumu asked nagi if she can go on a date with hayte where nagi instantly did not agree for that...... than she acts like allways and did not mature at all...

as for Hayate and giveing his heart to nagi.....its not becouse its his wish.... but more like he is "too kind" person that cant leave her behind (pity ?).... the same the dept wont allow him to leave too and find a girlfriend

anyway im not a "lolicon" so I prefer other more aged characters... Hina,Ayumu,Maria (offcourse Athena at 1st place but since she disappeared now its over T___T )......

so well for me the "give heart+word to protect" is a curse... he has to donate his whole life to do this... while not allowed to have his own happy life with the person he loved for 10years........ I put all my hope that the story from now on will focus on Hina and Maria


.....according to that spoiler text... it seems that Athena will rather never show up again.... she quit of beign the Hakou chief dirrector (she cutted herself from hayate) and now a former chief will get back to hakou............. anyway I hate Hata now this sick lolicon.... my hopes got crushed for the sake of another flat-loli (like in zeto no tsukaima....)......I dont get it why hata even bothered to bring up the whole Athena.. Royal garden... midas.... if he was going to crush Athenas charkacter just like that..........other girls bring less to the story yet they still are ongoing in the series >__< [goes into corner depressed]

[Bastion_Arcion]

Originally Posted by zibi88

well if nagi officialy tells Hayate that she will accept everyone as his girlfriend (Hina,Ayumu ect simply one of them) than she can stay........ but if she acts selfish by acting like Hayate is her object/tool and no one besides her can approach it...... than I hope she will disappear (I mean Athena even thorught holding love feelings for hayate for 10years... for hayates sake of new gained friends and his life as now she backed off)

So if Nagi tells to hayate that he can go out with anyone he wants (has feelings for that person) and its not nessesery her (nagi)... than ok she matured..... but if she stays like she was durring the athen arc. like Ayumu asked nagi if she can go on a date with hayte where nagi instantly did not agree for that...... than she acts like allways and did not mature at all...

The fact that she's sent Hayate out on dates with two girls that weren't her didn't say this loudly enough for you?

I saw the Ayumu-rejection as Nagi maturing amusingly enough.
Nagi noticed that Hayate likes mature girls, and so when Ayumu acts like a child saying that she wants a date with him (to another girl), she gets her attempt shut down because Nagi realizes that it's not something Hayate would like.

[aldw]

Originally Posted by zibi88

I dont get it why hata even bothered to bring up the whole Athena.. Royal garden... midas.... if he was going to crush Athenas charkacter just like that..........other girls bring less to the story yet they still are ongoing in the series >__< [goes into corner depressed]

I understand the sentiment, having seen Taiga in Toradora and Louise in ZnT it does get tiresome dealing with the flat-chested loli always being the center. The only one I ever considered worthwhile was Shana, and even then Margery was the more interesting character.

[mitsuganae]

Does anyone remember the rom-com film Two Weeks Notice (starring Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant)? My gut feeling is that this quote from the end of the film would be applicable to Nagi's new financial state:

“When I say I'm poor, I mean we may have to share a helicopter with another family. ”

[Rickketik]

I have to say after reading 265, Hayate x Athena is DEFINITELY over! And so is the chance for all the other girls (I feel bad for Hina)

...And all of a sudden, Nagi x Hayate written in stone. We all know that Nagi is very attached to Hayate (not sure if it's 'love' or not) but for the first time and completely out of nowhere, it seems Hayate might look at Nagi in a romantic way.

[aldw]

Originally Posted by Rickketik

I have to say after reading 265, Hayate x Athena is DEFINITELY over! And so is the chance for all the other girls (I feel bad for Hina)

...And all of a sudden, Nagi x Hayate written in stone. We all know that Nagi is very attached to Hayate (not sure if it's 'love' or not) but for the first time and completely out of nowhere, it seems Hayate might look at Nagi in a romantic way.

It's not over by a long shot, hell by that logic Ayumu should give up but nobody's giving up, period.

[Bastion_Arcion]

Originally Posted by aldw

It's not over by a long shot, hell by that logic Ayumu should give up but nobody's giving up, period.

Ayumu even reinforced that she's going to keep on trying earlier in this arc even.

[WildArms]

After reading chapter 265, HnG officially went down like 10 or 20 places in my fav manga/anime list.

Now i know.. this will end up with an open ending, so we can all choose wichever girl we want from our freaking imagination, thanks Hata, for once again, showing me that Business is more important than story. I cant belive hayate was saying he loves her and now suddenly they talk in past tense and he just let her go... this was sooo forced *sigh*

[GDB]

Originally Posted by WildArms

Now i know.. this will end up with an open ending, so we can all choose wichever girl we want from our freaking imagination, thanks Hata, for once again, showing me that Business is more important than story. I cant belive hayate was saying he loves her and now suddenly they talk in past tense and he just let her go... this was sooo forced *sigh*

What? I'd say the fact that girls are leaving the harem is actually proof that it WILL have a conclusive ending. If it were going to remain open, then none of the girls would be removed from the harem and each would be given their chances.

And please, stop acting so dramatic as if the story has been actually hurt. I'm sure you're an Athena fan, since that's really the only way you'd see it that way. Just as those who hated Athena felt that the story was being hurt by her inclusion. Works both ways, so the fact that the story actually progressed shows that he cares more about the story than worrying about whether a segment of his fan base may or may not be upset.

[Rickketik]

Originally Posted by aldw

It's not over by a long shot, hell by that logic Ayumu should give up but nobody's giving up, period.

No it's over. In this type of genre, when the main character gives up on a girl, then it over. Story wise it might look as if it's not 100% certain, but it is.

I have been reading stuff like this for years, and haven't been surprised that often after this kind of character development. And I don't believe that Hata is the type of Author to surprise me.

[babohtea]

Originally Posted by GDB

What? I'd say the fact that girls are leaving the harem is actually proof that it WILL have a conclusive ending. If it were going to remain open, then none of the girls would be removed from the harem and each would be given their chances.

And please, stop acting so dramatic as if the story has been actually hurt. I'm sure you're an Athena fan, since that's really the only way you'd see it that way. Just as those who hated Athena felt that the story was being hurt by her inclusion. Works both ways, so the fact that the story actually progressed shows that he cares more about the story than worrying about whether a segment of his fan base may or may not be upset.

No. We know nothing. It could end in a harem, nothing we've seen has been conclusive.

Even the most liberal harem manga have female characters who are 100% unviable. Just because Athena's gone doesn't remove the possibility of a harem ending, and it certainly doesn't remove the harem status of this manga thus far.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

???

I dunno about other people, including those in the same ship as me, but this chapter just reinforced my feeling that Hayate and Athena will end up together. To that point that, yes, I am now officially 'all in', to put it in poker terms.

Call.

*prepares to fetch your chips*

The probability of Athena/Hayate in the _main arc_ is essentially nil by now. There is nothing left to be gained and no story to be told here. The reason why Hata could go so all-out with the Athena/Hayate showdown is exactly because she will NOT be part of the main arc anymore. The "Royal Garden" story is told. The two love each other. This is the "happy ending" for this aspect, and this is why Hata spread the cutesy/bittersweet ending over 4 full chapters. It only borrowed the HnG characters, and now it needs to hand them back.

How do we know? The past tense. Not only Athena, but even Hayate is moving on. That wouldn't be necessary if the author wouldn't very consciously _want_ them to move on. Otherwise we could have had the "one day we'll meet again (and love each other)". Instead he's letting Hayate ask himself when (not if) he'll be able to tell someone ELSE genuinely that he loves them. The meta-level strikes again. Hata wants to condition the reader NOT to expect long-range Athena faithfulness. He consciously tags him as "single". That's why.

Funny you mention this. Unless I have missed it (or totally don't remember; 250+ chapters is A LOT to memorize lol), for all their pursuit of people other than each other, Nagi and Wataru are still engaged. And no talk of them breaking it up still. XD

Wataru has too many worthy suitors on his end. I'd say that Nagi isn't impossible, but it strikes me as unlikely.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by babohtea

No. We know nothing. It could end in a harem, nothing we've seen has been conclusive.

Obviously, because if it were conclusive the manga would be finished.

Even the most liberal harem manga have female characters who are 100% unviable.

And they still get time with the harem-lead to make their fans happy, and make it seem like they have a chance. Hayate no Gotoku isn't really doing that.

Just because Athena's gone doesn't remove the possibility of a harem ending, and it certainly doesn't remove the harem status of this manga thus far.

It might not remove the possibility, but it sure makes it less likely. And who said anything about removing the harem status? I said it makes it less likely to end with a harem, not that he no longer has a harem.

[aldw]

Originally Posted by Rickketik

No it's over. In this type of genre, when the main character gives up on a girl, then it over. Story wise it might look as if it's not 100% certain, but it is.

I have been reading stuff like this for years, and haven't been surprised that often after this kind of character development. And I don't believe that Hata is the type of Author to surprise me.

If this was more like AkiSora the bad endings would be more palatable, but if it's more towards the Toradora BS then it just goes into the pile of burnable rubbish.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by aldw

If this was more like AkiSora the bad endings would be more palatable, but if it's more towards the Toradora BS then it just goes into the pile of burnable rubbish.

Yeah, who wants a conclusive story with logical story telling when you can have a main character bang a new girl every couple of chapters?

[primuler]

Originally Posted by Rah

Here's 1 spoiler pic, and some text. At least I think they're new..

More will eventually be posted in the MFox Spam Thread once they're found. If not by me, then surely by Ori-tan.

Spoiler for Click:

とりあえずサンデー見て来た。266話「さらば遠き日」
帰国の日、空港へ付くハヤテ一行。免税品店に突進する泉達。
ハヤテが一人になった所を見計り、ヒナギクがアテネとの事を聞こうとする。
しかし、ナギのA330（仮）の離陸時間が来て、肝心な事は聞けなかった。
空港へ到着する愛歌さん。そこへマキナ登場し、書類の入った封筒と
手紙を渡す。「これでハンバーガー抜きは免れた。」と喜んで去って行く。
ハヤテ達の飛行機が滑走路に、ハヤテがナギに「今の理事長は代理だけど、
大事な行事の時は、本人が来るのですか？」と聞く。その通りと言われ
少し安心するハヤテ。滑走路に入るA330。ハヤテがふと外を見ると、
展望台の所にアテネの姿が。モノログ「多分これが最後になるという
予感がした。」（ハヤアテは再び幼児投影）A330離陸。
次は、ヒナギク達の飛行機。泉達はお休み。ヒナギクがハム沢さんに
アテネの事について説明。ハム沢さんは、「一度会って見たいな。」
ヒナギク「彼女は理事長で学園の経営者だから、いずれは帰国するわ。
3人で会うのも面白いかも。」しかし、「それ、無理。」そこにFクラスから
愛歌さん登場。手紙を渡す。それを読んだ二人は驚愕。
窓の外を見ながら、愛歌さん「一つの時代が終わったわね。」
ハヤテ達の飛行機が成田に到着。旅行の感想を話すナギ達。
「けど疲れましたね。」「疲れたので明日は休養なのだ。」
「明日は学校ですね。ナギ。」黒マリアさんの笑顔で、ナギは震えて
「もちろんなのだ。」その後せっかくなので、空港のレストランで何か
食べようとナギが提案。歩き出す3人。大型テレビの前を通る。
「クロマグロの危機は一応去りました。」ハヤテが何気なく画面を見た。
「次のニュースです。天王州家令嬢が名門白皇学園の経営権と理事長職
を完全に委譲する事を表明しました。葛葉キリカさんが正式理事長に。」
理由については「一身上の都合。」　驚くハヤテ（もう本当に、お別れなんだね
あーたん。）ハヤテの目に光る物が。ハヤテの異変に気付きナギマリアが
心配そうに声を掛ける。ハヤテは「お嬢様の執事として、今後も守って行く」
事を改めて誓うハヤテ。二人の方を振り向いた時には、悲しみは微塵も
見せず笑顔で、「何か有りましたか。」安心するナギ。

Google Translate:

I saw the Sunday anyway. About 266 "Farewell, Distant Sun."
Return date, one line stuck Hayate to the airport. Izumi Satoru rush to duty-free shops.
One measure was the place to find Hayate, and Athens to hear things are daisies.
However, Nagi A330 (tentative) Time has come off, and I say it is essential.
Love song to the airport's arrival. Makina appeared there, and the envelope containing the document
Pass the letter. "This was saved without hamburgers." Willingly go away.
Hayate our plane on the runway, and the Hayate Nagi, "but now the President of the agency,
The occasion when do I come in person? "I asked. That's been said
Hayate feel some relief. Runway into A330. Hayate is suddenly and looked out,
Where the figure of the Athens Observatory. Log things "that perhaps this would be the last
I had a hunch. "(Haya Ate the baby back projection) A330 takeoff.
Next, our plane daisies. Izumi Satoru is closed. Sawa is a Daisy Ham
Athens explain things. Sawa Ham said, "I met him once and see."
Daisy, "She is the executive director of the school, I'll eventually return home.
Also be interesting to meet three people. "But," it not. "Classes where F
Love song's appearance. Pass the letter. They are surprised to read it.
Looking out the window, love song's "I'm one end of an era."
Hayate our plane arrived at Narita. Our travel feedback Nagi said.
"I was tired, but.." "Tomorrow is a rest, so tired."
"Tomorrow is school. Nagi." Black Maria says with a smile, shaking the Nagi
"It's a course." After so much trouble, something in the airport restaurant
Nagi suggested to eat. Walking three. Pass in front of large TV.
"The bluefin tuna is left once the crisis." Hayate looked casually screen.
"The following news. Workers and management rights of school president imperial family is daughter of a white state House Tenno
Delegate expressed it completely. The president's official Kuzuba Kilika. "
The reason for "personal reasons." Hayate surprised (really now, I'm farewell
Ah tan. ) The lights in the eyes of Hayate. Mary noticed the incident Hayate Nagi
Call out anxiously. Hayate "As a steward of the princess, keep going in the future."
Hayate again I swear. Turned to two people at the slightest sadness
Showing a smile, "There has or something." Nagi relieved.

The spoiler is a fake. At least, the screenshot is. If you look at the corner of the page closely, it says that it's chapter 8 of 'Hayae no Gotoku! Limited!' A special short comic that was contained inside DVD. (the comic is about nothing except Hayate unfortunately sighthing all the girl's naked body) And Hata mentioned in this week's diary that there will be epillogue for Golden Week next week.

God... I hate those fake spoilers...

[Master Chibi]

Yeah this arc was about the one reason I was absolutely in love with this manga, because the rest of the girls in this series are unbelievably forgettable, as was the most of the series to begin with.

Giving Hayate a real background and emotions that went past his stereotypical oblivious nature was so much more enjoyable, and now that this arc is done and Athena is just going to fucking sulk in Greece, well they should just end the manga.

What's left really? Sure, I rooted for Athena, but that's just the direction the story was going. It didn't feel like I was watching Wheel of Fortune, the guy just felt like he understood himself and had a real purpose. Did he ever even embrace a girl the way he did in this arc? Are they going to address the fact that he doesn't actually love Nagi now, but she loves him or are we going to revert to the same old same old now?

Bah.