2010-04-05, 23:07 | Link #1981 |
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So, after months of playing it, I finally completed the PC game, gotten all tiger stamps and all 5 endings, as well as all CGIs unlocked.
The thing is, I don't remember where, and I'm not that sure anymore actually, but I read that there's one extra "event", CGI or something, obtained at the very end of the Fate route, and it appears only once you completed the entire game. Well, if this is the case, can someone tell me how you get it if there in fact is such a thing? PS: Not talking about the onsen extra. |
2010-04-09, 11:30 | Link #1983 |
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Now now. It's his decision to do what he thinks is best or more entertaining. Encroaching on that right is considered forceful and rude, among other things.
He has the choice to decide, so let him. I just started the VN myself, and it is quite different then from the anime. I've yet to pick up the manga, as I don't usually read them. That itself being my choice. To be honest, it's a matter of likes and dislikes. He seems unfond of the idea of playing Visual Novels for entertainment -- he might have stereotyped them as only hentai-filled pointlessness. Or he may actually have a reason for his preferences over VN's. I'm afraid the only one that knows is him. We shouldn't be judgmental. A person can have a perspective on a anime series or preference on entertainment so long as it's factual and not just squabbling or bias. This may very well be bias, but I can't really force him into being a fanatic fSN, since I myself not being one. I just like the characters, actually. The anime butchered the story, apparently. Overall: Let him choose however and whichever he decides to engage FSN, if at all. You can certainly be my guest and force him, though that wouldn't help in the long run. You can stand on even round with him once he starts talking trash. So far, he hasn't. Just to get that out of the way. Off topic, and I'm sorry. Though nipping it in the bud seems the best way to do this. (from my experience at least.) Let me ask my own question: Who would win against one another, Fate Lancer or Zero Lancer? Since they both are Lancer class and both are skilled. I think I would like to know the logistics of who would win. |
2010-04-09, 12:32 | Link #1984 | |
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According to Nasu, since Zero Lancer has a better master he would win if they fought. But if they fought in Ireland, Fate Lancer would win.
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2010-04-09, 12:44 | Link #1985 |
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So the recognition factor comes from fighting on their homeland, not from actual recognition? In that case... no one other than Japanese heroes (in this case, Servant Assassin and maybe Archer?) would get a recognition bonus. That seems counter intuitive to what was described in the novel.
For example, why would Ilya summon Hercules instead of, say... Susanoo? |
2010-04-09, 13:04 | Link #1986 | ||||||
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If he's got a good reason why he doesn't want to play a Visual Novel, then fair enough. But, if he's just going "OMG, it's not a proper game", then that's just silly, and that's the impression I got. I can't see any good reason why you'd be happy to read a manga but not a Visual Novel. Quote:
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2010-04-09, 14:03 | Link #1987 | ||
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2010-04-09, 14:13 | Link #1988 |
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God's were probably restricted from being Heroic Spirits... Or they are but aren't allowed to be Servants in Grail Wars because of their strength.
Hercules and Gilgamesh have divine blood in them. I do believe they are incredibly hard to kill as a result. Imagine a full-blooded god, not just a God King or a demigod.. But an actual deity. There is a word commonly used where I came from Rigged Susano'o would be difficult to beat, if outright impossible. He was a very jealous and malicious deity, imagine what he'd do if he was a servant but wanted the Grailf or himself - while finding out other people wanted it to. As in, jealous and selfish. If any became a epic spirit it would be Nobunaga or the general Yoshitsune. Deities seem excluded from Grail Wars. Loophole: Not demigods or God Kings. God King is what Gilgamesh is called in the Epic Saga. Possible variation? Dunno. |
2010-04-09, 14:20 | Link #1989 |
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Gilgamesh is the same as Hercules: one parent a human, one a god(dess).
As for Gods becoming Heroic Spirits, I figured all they'd have to do is die to fulfill the prerequisites. So some like Susanoo, who I'm not sure if they died or not, may not qualify... norse Gods would. Ragnarok for the loophole? |
2010-04-09, 14:33 | Link #1990 |
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...I know who Gilgamesh was. I know the legend about him being a Demigod. Thing is, the Epic Saga I've read (ont he assumption there are different variations, like the arthurian mythos) labelled him 'God King Gilgamesh'.
It's being politically correct, GDB. Ragnarok? That would be a loophole, wouldn't it? The hero does indeed need to die, but a particularly (in?)famous hero would be given the choice of becoming an Epic Spirit. The only one I can see trying to seize glory would be Loki. Surtr, Odin, Baldur, Thor, and so on would have qualities of a heroic spirit. I wouldn't know about Susano'o dying, all they said was he was banished to the netherworld. for provoking Amaterasu. Nothing states him dying. So it's ambiguos i'm afraid. The best heroic spirit? Abraham Lincoln 8) |
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2010-04-09, 14:54 | Link #1992 | |
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Also, Loki might be summonable, since depending on your source he could be a half-god/half-giant or just a giant. And Thor might count as well, since he's also only a demi-god. |
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2010-04-09, 15:46 | Link #1993 | ||
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2010-04-09, 15:49 | Link #1994 | |
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Besides, wouldn't gods technically fall under the domain of Gaia and thus be outside the range of candidates Alaya would pick for Heroic Spirits? Besides, if IIRC, Loki and Thor wouldn't be dead yet. So either way they couldn't be summoned. You might summon one of their champions though or something like that. That isn't to say, you can't summon them as Servants. You probably could, if you broke a few rules. After all, the Einzberns tried to summon the devil which would theoretically be in the same class as gods. Unfortunately, they happened to get Avenger.
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2010-04-09, 16:02 | Link #1995 | ||||
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Presumably, the Einsberns simply didn't know exactly how the system worked, and so thought that gods were summonable. Or else they were just desperate and stupid.... |
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2010-04-09, 16:38 | Link #1996 | |||
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But actually, rereading Fate/Zero, there was an interesting line that made me not so sure anymore. It's when Rider interrupts the Saber and Lancer duel, and his appearance causes both Saber and Lancer to think that he's Zeus initially. Quote:
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2010-04-09, 16:45 | Link #1997 | |||
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2010-04-09, 17:01 | Link #1998 |
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But if the Servants don't know if it's possible, and the Masters don't know if it's possible... how can we be sure it's not possible? There's only been 5 wars. That's between 35 and 36 Servants summoned. Among the hundreds or thousands of potential Heroic Spirit candidates, it's quite possible that a God/Deity could be summoned, and just hasn't. Perhaps they merely have a more costly requirement for "targeted" summoning, or can only be target summoned and not random summon, or something of that nature.
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2010-04-09, 17:13 | Link #1999 |
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A god/deity can't be summoned normally. However, when the Einzbern's tried for Angra Manyu in the third war, I'm pretty sure it was said that 'they broke the fundamental rule of the Holy Grail War and summoned something they shouldn't have.' You'd need to break the rules for summoning for the Holy Grail war.
Regardless, it does seem that summoning a full blown god/deity is against the rules or something.
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