Konoha in comparison to the Country of Fire

[yinstro]

Originally Posted by Naruto

i think that it has been stated before that the water country has no hidden villages of ninjas? or something along this lines
i think it was kakashi who said it in the anime. there was no need for a ninja village in a small country like that.

i dont think they are thge water country, they were an independent country, every country has at least one village and at least one kage. went back and checked, they are the wve country, a small island country. the water country has at least one village, the village of the mist

[Naruto]

Originally Posted by yinstro

i dont think they are thge water country, they were an independent country, every country has at least one village and at least one kage

gomen i meant to say the Country of Wave.
in the Zabuza Arc. as they were embarking on it.
Kakashi had a short explaination on the diff countries.
and how they work.
and i remember he mention that for a small country like the Wave, there is no need for a ninja village

[xyrrus]

I don't really remember very well how the countries and villages work but obviously that village needed help where none was available. What I originally asked when I started this thread is how are these other villages goverened and protected because it seems like they could be used as guinea pigs any minute of any day.

[Naruto]

Try episode 6 of Naruto.
the explaination is there.
i just found it.

hmmm i am not sure how non-ninja village are protected.
maybe that is not so impt so Kishimoto hasnt clearly define the way they are protected so we don;t really know.

[yinstro]

Originally Posted by xyrrus

I don't really remember very well how the countries and villages work but obviously that village needed help where none was available. What I originally asked when I started this thread is how are these other villages goverened and protected because it seems like they could be used as guinea pigs any minute of any day.

basically the country uses and buys ninjas to do their work and protect their countries. in terms of army, as far as the local police, that is probably based on each town and village. The country that is affiliated with a hidden village gives most jobs to the hidden villages they have in that country. In cases like fire and wind, where there is an offical truce that country may use other villages since their interests are teh same.
the reason their isnt an organized attack on a town or country is because then the country will call their ninja's out. They are similar to armies, except they can choose thier jobs. It seems teh current system is what came out of teh recent wars, and it has something to do with how they can maintain peace.

[spoOkz]

Originally Posted by xyrrus

Wasn't the Sand and Sound's attack on Konohas pretty much a seige in itself? Konoha held their ground pretty well I'd say. Well anyway, what I explained is just one scenario, I got plenty more. Attacking an undefended village with a small force with bunshins is a good decoy to divert attention away from Konoha itself. You could pretty much send one team like Gaara's team for example to attack a village, and make it look like an army is attacking and fake Konoha into sending say an adequate amount of backup. Then you could attack Konoha directly, their defensive capabilities would certainly be lower than it was. There are many tactics that can be used when you have home turf. It's always easier to defend than to attack.

And yea, the water country... I forgot that village wasn't part of the fire country but nonetheless that village didn't really had any help from their ninja village, whether they knew or not we'll never know but it still goes to show that you can't protect everyone and using that weakness to your advantage should be looked into.

the attack on konoha was not a siege... it was a surprise attack one which was foiled by the absence of gaara...

shinobi are not stupid.. you attack a village with a small force (bunshins or not THEY WILL KNOW) they will counter it with a small force.. both sides lose the slight quantity of manpower before the siege itself... think of a more practical diversion..

it will take much more than 1 measly team to even dent a city... and cities are not completely defenseless they may have traveling shinobi within its borders..

neither gaara's or his team can even use kage byunshin...

as for your water country example... they are poor... no reason to attack it.. no reason to defend it...

[xyrrus]

If Konoha was attacked by surprise, there should be no reason why the same can't be done on any other village and with a smaller force might I add so it is possible to create diversions to draw out more ninjas from Konoha than is needed. When anbu was patrolling the borders of Konoha during the 3rd stage of the Chuunin exam, they couldn't even detect the mass amount of sand and sound nins hiding in the bushes just several yards away. How in the world would they know immediately if another village is attacked and how many nins are attacking?

[fieryshadowcard]

Originally Posted by spoOkz

first off.. you must understand the belief structure of the people of this particular civilization.. shinobis.. have an apparent sense of honor and the attacking of non-combatants wouldnt probably even be considered...

First off, I wasn't talking about any village. I even said that most villages would most likely avoid attacking civilian towns and cities. I was talking about ORO's village. Honor means nothing to Orochimaru, or haven't you been watching the same 98 episodes of Naruto that I have? As far as honor goes, things change when a war is waged. Not attacking non-combatants is a relatively new concept.

secondly... to initiate such a campaign you will need an immense amount of resources and manpower.. something that orochimaru did not possess...
Konoha is a force to be reckoned with... and anything short of a direct SUPRISE attack directly upon its inhabitants would spell doom for the villages of sound and sand...

Secondly, you just said it yourself. Picking off the other villages of a country WOULD most likely be a surprise attack (SUR, not SU, btw). Orochimaru most certainly has the manpower to take out entire villages. For starters, he's Orochimaru. Then throw in a giant snake or ten, and you could destroy entire villages en masse. By the way, once again, as far as attacking civilians goes, I'm talking about SOUND, not Sand. Please try to read my posts more clearly.

lastly, shinobis are not merely mercenaries of a nation.. they are a testament to a nations power... thus a country will do anything it can to supply and support its shinobi and encourage village growth... not only through the revenues gained via missions... think about where all the kunai's come from (undoubtly from blacksmiths from neighboring cities) where all the food comes from etc. etc....think of villages as the US military.. and civilians as the taxpayers... thus shinobi are ABSOLUTELY obligated toward their respective countries as the countries are obligated toward its shinobi

Thirdly, did I say they were merely mercenaries? I don't know where you got a 'merely' in my post, but it shouldn't be there. Please kindly give back the 'merely' to whomever you stole it from. What I said is that they are mercenaries, and are paid for their services. Their immediate priority as far as other villages go is to protect their own. They can barely stand against a home invasion. What makes you think they'll be able to deal with a bunch of attacks on villages scattered all over Fire Country? Mercenaries are STILL a part of military might. And you seem to be jumping the gun and getting a little too presumptuous in regard to that idea about ninja weaponry being manufactured outside of a Hidden Village. If there is a clan that actually takes the time to raise deer and convert their antlers into medicine, there are other specialists who are most likely blacksmiths, engineers (despite the limited machinery seen in this world), artisans, tailors, and whatever else a village immediately needs. They may get their MATERIALS elsewhere, but it's most likely that they manufacture their own tools. That's absurd, a non-ninja village not just crafting, but being RESPONSIBLE for crafting ninja tools. They don't get funds through taxes. They RECEIVE funds through a service. Shinobi are not the result of your tax dollars at work. Who in the world gave you that idea? They work for whoever pays them. Whoever pays them presents the fee, not a government paycheck. *snickers* The US military as an example... yeah, that's rich.

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