[Manga] Chapter 491 Discussion

[tkdtiger]

If Samehada rejected Kisame's chakra in a clone...can Kisame still use it?

[Nite-Wing]

If Kishi sent the rookies after sasuke they would all die
I dont think he would kill those characters off that way

[tkdtiger]

Originally Posted by Nite-Wing

If Kishi sent the rookies after sasuke they would all die
I dont think he would kill those characters off that way

I was just showing a couple possibilities. I don't think that one is as realistic and my first scenerio really is the only one so far I can see being sound...which sadly means the only rookies with relevance is Neji, Hinata, and Shikamaru lol

Not that they would be bad choices, but I had some hopes for Shino...

[KiNA]

Originally Posted by Gin

I wonder if Samehada is going to fall in love with Naruto's chakra as well. It would be funny if Killer Bee left Samehada back in his village though, a few pages of Kisame just hanging out in a vault or Killer Bee's closet would be pretty funny.
Anyways, I hope rapping has something to do with control tailed beasts, Naruto could bust out some dope rhymes before his fight with Sasuke.

Isnt its a given that it wasnt Samehada that falls in love with KB, its just a ploy to get Kisame closed to KB for spying? All that Samehada falls in love is just a decoy..

[Gin]

Originally Posted by KiNA

Isnt its a given that it wasnt Samehada that falls in love with KB, its just a ploy to get Kisame closed to KB for spying? All that Samehada falls in love is just a decoy..

So? Naruto still has the power of friendship, he could still make Samehada fall in love with him. Just talk to Gaara, he's president of the Naruto fan club. Even Madara is vulnerable to Naruto's friendship, why else do you think he stopped by to tell Naruto about his family history? Nagato and Kabuto are also prime examples of Naruto's friendship prowess. All Naruto has to do is offer to be Best Friends with Samehada, and its game over for Kisame. (But not really cuz Naruto would also make Kisame his friend)

[KiNA]

No no.. Samehada never falls in love with KB.. it was never a case of falling in love with KB's huge chakra reservoir. Kisame saying Samehada had fall for KB's chakra are just a ploy.

The Kisame that got killed was Zetsu's clone all along.

[Cub-Sama]

Originally Posted by Nintendo

if it goes gradual...people will get pissed, look at bleach, the current arc has been the most gradual and it has been on the same arc for 3 years or so......so its best to speed up some things and slow down others.....kimish seems to have a good pacing on things.....good amount of fighting and a good amount of talking.

he knows he just did a training arc, so why slow it down, just get right into it.

Naruto's pacing is too fast and Bleach's pacing is too slow, One Piece has it just right. Not too fast, not too slow.
Like if you think about it Naruto has jumped from: Gaara dies and comes back, Naruto sees Sasuke, Kakuzu kills Asuma, Konoha defeats Hidan and Kakuzu, Sasuke kills Oro, Jiraiya goes to fight Pain, Sasuke fights and kills Deidara, Pain kills Jiraiya, Sasuke kills Itachi and gains MS.
Big reveal of the history of Konoha, Sasuke captures Kirabi, Naruto learns Sage Mode, Pain attacks, Pain dies, Kage Summit, Sasuke fights the kages, big war is declared, Sasuke kills Danzou, confronts Team 7, gains EMS and now Naruto is going to gain Kyuubi power up.

This has whole happened with no real breaks in-between, what Soul Eater and One Piece do very well, is have a few break chapters with not as much action but things happen. In Soul Eater secondary characters may take the spotlight for a while and do investigations, new things get found out and they relax a bit. One Piece they have the in-between chapters of revealing new information and getting to their next destination.

Naruto skips most of that, preferring to jump action to action with a few reveals during said action and Bleach drags out the action scenes too long.

Danzou for instance, built up to be the mysterious, war-hawk and dark side of Konoha. He finally becomes Hokage, 10 or so chapters later, he's dead. A brutally wasted character who had a chance at being a major plot point.

Originally Posted by tkdtiger

True but Bleach IMO also has better character developement and it's overall story I think is better written...You just have better developement of secondary characters as well as the main character. I still like Naruto and do hope Kish will add some character developement to some of the rookies and even though he says he has alot planned for the other rookies so far there has been very little of them at all...

Hahaha! Bleach, well-written story, you sir are a great comedian!

[Rahan]

Actually, there is still lot of rooms for the rookies to play a role if Kishi wanted to.

The Hyuugas could make some cracks appear in the alliance due to their past with Kumo (and now, with Ao)
Shikamaru can play a role with the strategists.
Told by Sakura Naruto is still trying to "save" Sasuke, Ino could (or even should) try to do something to help.
Shino, the guy who whined he was left out of the VOTE arc still hasn't done shit and that Torune guy showed Aburame had potential.

It only leaves Kiba, Lee, Tenten and Chouji. Kiba is one of the best trackers, so he is useful to have around. Lee wanted to prove he was an excellent ninja, but while despite being undoubtedly strong, he failed and had to be rescued every time he fought. Chouji also should have potential (there was an Akimichi in Nidaime's elite squad) and should be a key part in Shika's strategies). As for Tenten, well ...

But then, nothing of the sort will happen and even Sakura won't do shit.

Originally Posted by Cub-Sama

Naruto's pacing is too fast and Bleach's pacing is too slow, One Piece has it just right. Not too fast, not too slow.
Like if you think about it Naruto has jumped from: Gaara dies and comes back, Naruto sees Sasuke, Kakuzu kills Asuma, Konoha defeats Hidan and Kakuzu, Sasuke kills Oro, Jiraiya goes to fight Pain, Sasuke fights and kills Deidara, Pain kills Jiraiya, Sasuke kills Itachi and gains MS.
Big reveal of the history of Konoha, Sasuke captures Kirabi, Naruto learns Sage Mode, Pain attacks, Pain dies, Kage Summit, Sasuke fights the kages, big war is declared, Sasuke kills Danzou, confronts Team 7, gains EMS and now Naruto is going to gain Kyuubi power up.

It's the reason most people prefer Pt1 over Pt2 ...
Part 1 was character driven, Part 2 is plot driven and the characters (even Naruto and Sasuke) matter little. Pt1 characters were more "humans". Pt2 feel more like actors only there to play their role, even if the way they are playing their role sometimes don't make any sense. (like how Naruto's goal became to stop the "spreading of hate" through a flashback after 436 chapters)

If someone has a good explanation on why Sasori gave intel on Oro, but neither Itachi, Konan or Nagato did on Madara, or even why Sakura and Hinata's confessions were instantly forgotten, I am interested ...

[Cub-Sama]

^To add to that, this is a freaking war, the best time for ninjas to shine so just have Tsunade give the rookies important missions that effect the outcome of the war, show their abilities, personalities without finding some way to retcon them into the Naruto vs Sasuke situation.

[Nintendo]

Originally Posted by Cub-Sama

Naruto's pacing is too fast and Bleach's pacing is too slow, One Piece has it just right. Not too fast, not too slow.
Like if you think about it Naruto has jumped from: Gaara dies and comes back, Naruto sees Sasuke, Kakuzu kills Asuma, Konoha defeats Hidan and Kakuzu, Sasuke kills Oro, Jiraiya goes to fight Pain, Sasuke fights and kills Deidara, Pain kills Jiraiya, Sasuke kills Itachi and gains MS.
Big reveal of the history of Konoha, Sasuke captures Kirabi, Naruto learns Sage Mode, Pain attacks, Pain dies, Kage Summit, Sasuke fights the kages, big war is declared, Sasuke kills Danzou, confronts Team 7, gains EMS and now Naruto is going to gain Kyuubi power up.

This has whole happened with no real breaks in-between, what Soul Eater and One Piece do very well, is have a few break chapters with not as much action but things happen. In Soul Eater secondary characters may take the spotlight for a while and do investigations, new things get found out and they relax a bit. One Piece they have the in-between chapters of revealing new information and getting to their next destination.

Naruto skips most of that, preferring to jump action to action with a few reveals during said action and Bleach drags out the action scenes too long.

Danzou for instance, built up to be the mysterious, war-hawk and dark side of Konoha. He finally becomes Hokage, 10 or so chapters later, he's dead. A brutally wasted character who had a chance at being a major plot point.

lol I like the pacing of naruto, only thing i would say i dislike is the use of some characters, like danzo as pointed out, he showed up just to die, and when his heartwarming story came out, he was already dead. Oro was another build up that was wasted, if someone is going to die, i expect them to die going out in a heap of glory. Only time i would expect it is during wartime, only because war is unpredictable and you can die randomly by many random things(like obito)


cant comment on one piece pacing as i dont read it, i tried, but just couldnt get into it sadly, but ill say one thing, i love the art in it, to have that much detail in a manga and be released on a weekly basis must be hard.

bleach is a good story, i still think aizen is one of the best bad guys around, because he gots all the good quotes and always mind****s people to remind them how great he is, which i always find funny.

[KiNA]

As the current anime OP shows .. there are rooms for the other character to shines

And I really hope I get to see drunken fist Lee again one day

[Kafriel]

Wow, such a simple chapter, I like it It's been getting somewhat tiresome with all the riddles, going back to the more mundane life is a good change of pace.

he showed up just to die, and when his heartwarming story came out, he was already dead. Oro was another build up that was wasted, if someone is going to die, i expect them to die going out in a heap of glory.

Orochimaru is partially alive in Kabuto, if Kishi is a Castlevania fan then we're bound to see Oro again sometime...as for Danzou, he made his appearance to justify part of Sasuke's hatred (after all, he killed the communication toad!!!) so as to leave room for Sasuke's darkness to grow after almost killing him. Would have been much better if he had actually taken the kill though.

[KiNA]

I also felt that Danzou was a glorified canon fodder.. He was created solely to connect the older generation's bad deed to the current generation.. and also to preserve the 3rd's good name.

Without him, 3rd Hokage would lose his good name among the reader.. something already stone cold established to us.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Still Kisame was killed by Killerbee and the Raikage.
Since that clone was an exact duplicate the same thing would happen with the REAL Kisame if it wasnt for the clone.

Killerbee obviously isn't stupid and i think that if Naruto stays with Killerbee he'll definetly take down Kisame. Although Kisame wouldn't be able to handle Naruto alone either...Naruto has fought with those chakra leechers before in the form of Pain.

Still i wonder... when will Naruto be required to summon Gamabunta? So far... only small flies appeared...but then again Naruto the Senin didn't need them either when he fought Pain alone against his summonings... he sent them flying! Just using hands..

[rpy1991]

Originally Posted by tkdtiger

True but Bleach IMO also has better character developement and it's overall story I think is better written...You just have better developement of secondary characters as well as the main character. I still like Naruto and do hope Kish will add some character developement to some of the rookies and even though he says he has alot planned for the other rookies so far there has been very little of them at all...

Do you type with a straight face?

[Alchemist007]

I know I didn't read it with one.

[Frenchie]

Originally Posted by tkdtiger

True but Bleach IMO also has better character developement and it's overall story I think is better written...You just have better developement of secondary characters as well as the main character. I still like Naruto and do hope Kish will add some character developement to some of the rookies and even though he says he has alot planned for the other rookies so far there has been very little of them at all...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha...

Oh, wait, you're serious.

[james0246]

Some updates from more complete spoilers...

- So, it seems the people asking for autographs are ninja...which means it is pointless padding .

- Additionally, the Eldest Toad tells Naruto that he will meet his Octopus in a "paradise", so Naruto becomes all stoked to go off and meet Kirabi...only to be upset when the island he gets to is a dump (described as being similar to the Forest of Death only with a giant squid (that Naruto tries to talk to...until it tries to eat him) instead of giant insects).

- Also, Shikaku acts as an "escort" for Tsunade when they attend the mini-conference. He "betrays" Tsunade by agreeing with the Kages that Naruto and Kirabi should be confined...

[Goshin]

Originally Posted by james0246

- Also, Shikaku acts as an "escort" for Tsunade when they attend the mini-conference. He "betrays" Tsunade by agreeing with the Kages that Naruto and Kirabi should be confined...

IMO i think that leaves room for some possible development between shikamaru and his dad. maybe they will get into an argument, and shikamaru will be the one to let naruto and or bee escape

[DeDe]

I clicked on the RAW pics without reading the script and saw Temari standing across from Shikamaru. Holy crap! I'll take back everything I said about you Kishi. But then I saw the script and it was Shikaku. Well at least she met dad. Not looking for Shikamaru/Temari romance, just snarky interaction which should happen during this war with their similar roles as strategists.

How many things are going to get shoved into Naruto's mouth?

I have a feeling this training won't get boring. Naruto will act clueless and Kirabi will teach him the ways of the world. Kirabi is basically a replacement for Jiraiya. Until Kisame drags him away.