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2010-05-12, 18:02 | Link #1763 | |
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2010-05-12, 18:12 | Link #1765 |
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But what was Al's toll?
In trying to bring back their mother, Ed lost his leg while Al would've lost his life if it weren't for Ed sacrificing his arm to get Al's soul back. Remember that Al is also able to use alchemy by forming a circle with his hands, which means that he too has been to the gate... and yet, he's able to get his entire body back. In other words, perhaps another sacrifice has to be put up, but I don't get it. Isn't the philosopher's stone supposed to ignore that? Hohenheim could've easily given Izumi her organs back then when he wasn't dying. |
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2010-05-13, 00:47 | Link #1768 | ||
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Basically, Hohenheim probably could have given Izumi her organs back, but it was a mistake that she made, and an action that she pursued on her own. It wouldn't be fair for him to bail her out like that. I think he wouldn't have a problem giving Mustang his eyesight back since Mustang is the only one out of the other 4 sacrifices that didn't pursue human transmutation, that literally was dragged to the gate against his will, then punished for it. But I think he wants people to fix their own mistakes. Now, with him close to death, he might want to do one final deed for his two sons that he failed to be there for for so many years, but under normal circumstances, he believes it should be their problem to fix. Quote:
What has just happened is an undoing of what Ed did to bring Al back. Al is now as he was (probably) in the few brief moments between the death of that thing they transmuted and Ed's sacrifice of his arm. Al's toll (himself) is still at the gate, just like Ed's toll (his leg). Al being bound to a suit of armor and Al getting the knowledge to transmuate without a circle are two completely separate events. Last edited by GaimeGuy; 2010-05-13 at 00:58. |
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2010-05-13, 02:21 | Link #1769 | |
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Ling and Envy just watched Ed do it and then jumped into the circle, thus not participating actively in the act itself and not gaining any knowledge. |
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2010-05-13, 12:56 | Link #1773 |
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In that scene during the OP, we can't make out his arm or leg because of the blanket, so it furthers my reason as to believe it's a scene from the last chapter. Or something similar anyway.
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2010-05-13, 15:17 | Link #1776 | ||
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Right, so I thought about it for a bit and I decided to elaborate more on my prediction that Ed will be using the Sun Father created to pay for Al's toll. Or just a scenario for the finale that doesn't involve either Hohenheim or Greed sacrificing themselves (because I hate the idea that Al well be brought back using a Stone, and I don't want the two to die )
Now, rereading volume 13 helped get this idea in my head, especially the part where Ed says : Quote:
Granted, this could be just random techno-babble that Ed thought of back when he was in Gluttony's stomach, but then looking a bit further on the discussion Quote:
There is also the symbolism of Ed paying God as a toll to the Truth, emphasised greatly with Hohenheim telling Al to look up when he was referring to the solar eclipse and that Day, Lin observation about the clapping of hands looking as a prayer to God (seriously, look at this page) and even with a certain guest showing up in the same chapter Al meet his body. tl;dr Sun=Philosopher's Stone=Soul=Way to get Al out. So yeah, just something to think about.
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2010-05-13, 23:55 | Link #1777 | |
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2010-05-14, 03:02 | Link #1780 | |
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Concrete (which is what Ed is pulling one of his signatuire spears from in every instance I can think of) often is supported by rebar, which explains the metal spear tip, and wood is cellulose, which is just carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen, explaining the shaft, since there are plenty of those three in concrete. Also it was specifically pointed out (just a few episodes ago, in the anime) that Ed got the carbon he used to protect his arm from Pride's attacks from the carbon in the northern-style automail. Back when Ed created Yoki's "gold bricks", he used the money Yoki bribed him with to coat the coal that he ended up giving him. And why would Ed and Al have needed to memorize the components of a human body, and use those components, if they could just make elements up at will? Arakawa has been very thorough in giving us purely chemical alchemy from her alchemist characters, even (especially) Mustang. As for Hohenheim, I don't remember him ever using water to create stone (ice, maybe), but even if he did, hello, half a million souls... And fusing hydrogen together to create helium (fusion) in such a manner as to create near perpetual light and heat, as opposed to breaking molecules and moving atoms around with a little blue sparking (chemical manipulation), are two completely different things. Nuclear reactions like fusion and fission are not normal alchemic abilities in this series.
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