World Of Warcraft Discussion Thread

[Mafuyu]

Whoa, thanks Last Sinner, I am wanting to for the first time ever move from melee to something more of a caster for Cataclysm so your input on the mage is great. I hope they will fix the AoE because to me that would be the most fun I will get from caster. Though I think mage I am intrigued by Elemental Shaman, it might be less of a shock going from melee to casting with a Shaman.

I look forward to your screen for screen review~

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Mafuyu

Whoa, thanks Last Sinner, I am wanting to for the first time ever move from melee to something more of a caster for Cataclysm so your input on the mage is great. I hope they will fix the AoE because to me that would be the most fun I will get from caster. Though I think mage I am intrigued by Elemental Shaman, it might be less of a shock going from melee to casting with a Shaman.

I look forward to your screen for screen review~

From my understanding, they want things to be more like Vanilla and BC, where you had to use crowd control. This also means you aren't likely to AoE that much until later in the expansion, when you out-gear everything so badly that tanks don't wear pants.

[Last Sinner]

Blackrock Caverns on Normal didn't require any CC. However, it could on Heroic.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Blackrock Caverns on Normal didn't require any CC. However, it could on Heroic.

Well, like I said, they want it one way. Whether that's how it ends up or not, who knows...

[Last Sinner]

Well, if they're not wanting AoE to work, they're going about it in a weird way. Like I said before, the Mage AoE spells are way down on damage compared to what they do in Northrend, but single target DPS is up. Yet Elemental Shamans are doing loads of AoE dmg with Earthquake and Chain Lightning is still devastating. And I saw Mind Sear still doing decent damage on geared shadow Priests. I'm not sure what they want to do at present.

[Mafuyu]

Ah thank you GDB. I joined late in burning crusade and didn't make it very far, so I know much more about WoTLK. So they are lowering the damage and making it a more of a means to eliminate trash mobs when better geared? The fact that Elemental Shamans and Priest are doing massive AoE is confusing. I wonder what they are up to, the confusing part is exactly as GDB said, they want it one way, but whether or not it ends up that way is unknown. I suppose depending on how things go I am going to be leaning towards Shaman

[Last Sinner]

Started the Worgen experience tonight. Almost finished it, but yet again...just like in Hyjal and Vashj'ir, right when the end of the major line is in sight, the bugs emerge. I'll regale you more once that final part is doable. For now, I can say that Gileans is very much like....England?! The women have awesome, heavy British accents but the men still have the generic voices. The line takes loads of twists and turns. A good mix of quest styles, as well as explanation of how Worgen came to be. Worgen don't exactly run - they stride so far forward they don't need to run. I have been taking screenshots so once I have the experience finished (i.e. When the major battle actually works) I'll give a picture story.

[Knight Hawk]

Real Names on Official Forums - Cancelled

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Oh look at that, what a surprise.

[Narzia]

For once I am proud of the community for standing up against this nonsense, and kudos to Blizzard for giving in this time. Alas, this won't be the last time we've seen this topic.

But for now I shall rejoice and sacrifice five Gnomes!

[Xacual]

Looking at the pictures of the new Silverpine Forest, valkyrs now working for Sylvanas? That's somewhat surprising but your mileage may vary.

[Last Sinner]

That's not the half of what Sylvanas is up to! TRUST ME. She's been one naughty bitch.

I'll try and organise my picture shows tonight. I've done by Goblin Shaman to nearly 21 - the Lost Isles section was fully available along with most of Azshara. There was a mission near the end of the Azshara section that was bugged which prevented me from seeing the climax with saving Azuregos. Hopefully that is fixed soon. My Worgen Rogue is a tad of 13 - the line stops there, as an NPC informs players - only to teleport them to Darnassus...I hope they flesh the rest of the Worgen line out very soon. Final mission of Hyjal is still bugged...major mission in Vashj'ir is still bugged and preventing me from exploring it more on my Mage.

[Xacual]

Just checking but you don't just mean the attacking Gilneas thing right? Is she doing even more underhanded stuff? Which would be nice, I've always preferred her character to be the borderline evil faction leader that does whatever necessary.

[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by Xacual

Just checking but you don't just mean the attacking Gilneas thing right? Is she doing even more underhanded stuff? Which would be nice, I've always preferred her character to be the borderline evil faction leader that does whatever necessary.

None of this is necessary...But I don't deny I've wanted the Horde to break up. I've never for one second believed that the Forsaken should be part of the Horde.

Spoiler for What Sylvanas does:

1. After losing the major battle for Gilneas, Sylvanas shoots a deadly arrow at Genn Greymane, King of Gilneas. Liam Greymane, the prince and his son, jumps in front to take the fatal blow. Which really ticks me off - Liam was a legend.

2. Sylvanas lies to the rest of the Horde and Garrosh Hellscream, authorising the Forsaken to use the Plague to wipe out Gilneas City and anyone survivng all the original onslaughts.

3. I'm seriously doubting whether Sylvanas was truthful about what happened at the Wrathgate and the Undercity. I honestly think she allowed Putress to do what went down.

4. Basically, Garrosh is ticked off. He doesn't trust the Forsaken or the Blood Elves - don't be surprised if they split off from the Horde at some point. It's likely he was behind the murder of Cairne Bloodhoof that was carried out by the Shaman leader at Thunder Bluff. It's also likely that he organised Thrall to be kindapped by the SI:7 at the Lost Isles, but the Goblins of Kezan prevented that from being carried off. He takes the Goblins into the Horde, but they are essentially slaves. The part of Orgrimmar assigned to them are literally called the Goblin Slums. I'm hoping the Goblins get their own city on the Lost Isles, but I'm not sure it will happen. The Darkspear Trolls are the only ones Garrosh considers to be worthy of being in the Horde with the Orcs. The Horde is in-fighting to no end and really looks set for an implosion. And honestly - I want it to happen. I'd like to see a three or four faction game.

[synaesthetic]

I always felt that Blizzard should have extended the various "factions" you grind rep for, but are otherwise pointless, to actually being real factions that you can join and that affects who you can attack and who attacks you.

Lots of chances for Xanatos Pileups when you've got not two, not three or four, but 30-40 different factions, all with different alliances and secret mergers and everything.

Of course for that to really work, the entire game would need to be permanently PvP-enabled with no flagging/deflagging or any of that silly nonsense.

[Last Sinner]

I'm on a PvP server that is always on for young and old.

And are my eyes playing tricks on me or did synaesthetic just post in this thread?!

Edit: Post appeared regarding the change of the level for many pre-60 instances.

# Deadmines (15 - 21)
# Ragefire Chasm (15 - 21)
# Wailing Caverns (15 - 25)
# Shadowfang Keep (16 - 26)
# Blackfathom Deeps (20 - 30)
# Stormwind Stockade (20 - 30)
# Gnomeregan (24 - 34)
# Scarlet Monastery - Graveyard (26 - 36)
# Scarlet Monastery - Library (29 - 39)
# Maraudon - Purple Crystals (30 - 40)
# Razorfen Kraul (30 - 40)
# Maraudon - Orange Crystals (32 - 42)
# Scarlet Monastery - Armory (32 - 42)
# Maraudon - Pristine Waters (34 - 44)
# Scarlet Monastery - Cathedral (35 - 45)
# Uldaman (35 - 45)
# Dire Maul - East (36 - 46)
# Scholomance (38 - 48)
# Dire Maul - West (39 - 49)
# Razorfen Downs (40 - 50)
# Dire Maul - North (42 - 52)
# Stratholme - Main Gate (42 - 52)
# Zul'Farrak (44 - 54)
# Stratholme - Service Entrance (46 - 56)
# Blackrock Depths - Prison (47 - 57)
# Sunken Temple (50 - 60)
# Blackrock Depths - Upper City (51 - 61)
# Lower Blackrock Spire (55 - 65)

[synaesthetic]

Yeah, I did play this game for three years, you know. It was about eight months of considerable entertainment and twenty-eight months of abject frustration.

Rule of thumb says MMORPGs typically have a lifespan of five years while the typical MMORPG player has a lifespan of one year. I should have quit after the first year; I did that with FFXI and I have mostly fond memories of FFXI, while I have a lot of not-so-fond memories of WoW.

[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Yeah, I did play this game for three years, you know. It was about eight months of considerable entertainment and twenty-eight months of abject frustration.

Rule of thumb says MMORPGs typically have a lifespan of five years while the typical MMORPG player has a lifespan of one year. I should have quit after the first year; I did that with FFXI and I have mostly fond memories of FFXI, while I have a lot of not-so-fond memories of WoW.

That...explains...everything...

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

Spoiler for syvannas:

If it wasn't for Bolvar as the Lich King I'd suspect that Sylvannas saw herself as Arthas' replacement since she now has nothing left. Brings up another note... Bolvar is supposed to be in supreme control of the Scourge. I guess maybe he has to build his control up or he isn't as iron fisted as Arthas was but the Val'kyr should still be under his control yet here we have them 'serving' Sylvannas. I can't really see the Valk's giving up their 'employment' to the Lich King, I also wouldn't have thought that Bolvar would have let them go - just seems wrong to me, maybe they just like the aftermath of war that much and Bolvar isn't letting them play.

Too totally Goodwin it up, it's like the Nazi scientists going to the US after WW2 to help with nuclear research.

Total asspull plot twist... what happened in ICC was a complete double cross/blind/switchero. The LK used the death of Arthas to totally cover up his retreat and move to a new host and is reorganising the Scourge without the constant interfearence from the outside world and has struck a deal with Sylvannas and is being quite insidious with the whole 'Lvl 83 Val'kyr LFG got rezzes.' and so on. /nod /nod.

QQ what am I then? Almost 6 years later and still playing.

[Last Sinner]

It beats still playing Starcraft 1....

[Last Sinner]

I was intending to start putting up a visual experience of Vashj'ir....but I had to stay back at work, then things kinda went more haywire as the evening progressed. Tonight I should finally have people out of my hair for long enough to do one.

However, this has emerged today - Engineering in Cataclysm. Damn, that's nice....