[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Disz]

....Eva won?

[LuckySovietStar]

GO GO WRIGHT
I hope all trolling Bern did will backfire and Wright will go Ace Attorney on her.

Oh I wish. I WANT TO BELIEVE.

that

smash [fan theories] into itty bitty pieces

=

Will cuts the screen in half and jumps in.

[Renall]

Spoiler for Post-Endscroll and ????:

Back in Featherinne's weird hallway. Will and Leon are there, somebody's hurt. Looks like it's Will, as Bern is there. Leon freaks out. Bern attacks, end of Tea Party.

In the ????, Featherinne's theme plays over a chessboard. Bern and Auau are discussing something, perhaps her game. Bern meets Lambda and declares there will be no happy ending.

Back at the real-world chapel. It's Sorcerer Battler again, finally. He speaks a few words, shot of the small boat Young Kinzo and Beatrice-Prime used, credits roll.

EDIT: And that's it, that's the end.

[Endless_Witch_Nipah]

Spoiler for ...:

:___: where's my BatoBea...?

[DgBarca]

Originally Posted by Renall

Spoiler for Tea Party:

Leon is in the theater thinking. Ange(!) shows up. Neither seems to get on well with the other. Ange seems to be explaining where she's from. They appear unable to leave. ahaha.wav and the lights go on over the stage.

Claire reappears.

Back on Rokkenjima, this looks like "our" game board again. Everyone's meeting Kanon. Cut ahead to night, where it's raining. Letter and portrait are discussed. All the adults and cousins are present, along with Shannon.

Back to the theater. Leon thinks back to his experience with Will, and discusses it with Ange. Claire appears, then we go back to "our" Rokkenjima.

The adults at the conference appear to be solving the epitaph and arguing. Shannon and George meet at the arbor at night. Their conversation turns to Battler, which upsets George, but they smooth it over.

The adults are at the chapel now, solving the epitaph. All of the adults find the gold at the same time.

Back at the theater, more Leon and Ange, then back to the story. "Beatrice" appears at the gold room, with weird blank eyes. She tells them something about time and tons that shocks them. We see shots of the old base, the sub pen (sadly no awesome submarine), and then a clock repeatedly. Is this the bomb? Mentions of "2km" and flashes, so it may be the bomb they're discussing. More chat, the adults are shocked.

The clock strikes midnight. It's now 10/5/1986.

The adults argue over the gold. Eva pulls a gun. Back at the theater, Ange is pissed and Leon isn't sure what to think. Ange gets mad, I think about Eva. A gunshot in the gold room, miragecoodrinator. The one who was shot was...

Natsuhi? Krauss and Eva don't believe it. Rosa is shocked as Krauss now pulls a rifle. He struggles with Hideyoshi. The gun goes off. Krauss is shot. Rosa, Kyrie, and Rudolf are baffled. Beatrice just stands there. Arguments. Eva briefly goes nuts. She seems to be picking a fight with Rosa.

Rosa and Eva pull guns on each other (where the hell are they getting these things?). Hideyoshi is suddenly shot by Kyrie. Kyrie and Eva argue now. Hideyoshi is still alive; maybe Rosa was shot? Kyrie shoots Hideyoshi. Then Eva.

Kyrie points her gun at Beatrice. Guns her down as well. Rudolf seems a little nervous, then he and Kyrie get to work. Kyrie shoots the screen.

Back at the guesthouse, Battler gets a call. The cousins go to the mansion. Rudolf is in the servants' room, hanging up the line. He's shot somebody.

Back in the gold room, Eva is still alive. She cries over the others. She looks at the clock (perhaps thinking of how much time is left?), and loads her gun.

At the theater, Ange is mad again. Leon tries to comment but it pisses her off.

Absolutely badass music track plays. Jessica enters the dining room and Kyrie shoots her. Outside the mansion, Rudolf ambushes and shoots George. George gets back up, crying. Rudolf has to shoot him several more times.

Somebody is mutilating or bashing a body. Kyrie and Rudolf rendezvous at the dining room. Then Kyrie meets Battler at the rose garden and they return to the guesthouse. Rudolf is at the chapel when, in a flash of lightning, who should appear but Eva. Eva can't beleive what they've done and shoots Rudolf.

Ange flips her shit, because now she's being told her parents were murderous assholes and Eva, who she's hated her entire life, just killed them. Bern pops into the theater. Lambda follows soon after, behind Leon who seems a little freaked.

At the guesthouse, I think Kyrie just got done killing Battler(?). She steps outside and Eva confronts her. Eva is enraged but Kyrie is perfectly calm. Kyrie says something to really piss Eva off. They get into a close-range gunfight or something. Eva is left standing. Ange is once again shocked.

Claire reappears in the theater. Up go the lights. Bernkastel is on stage. Warping around, trollfaces, teasing everyone present. Bern offers some kind of red, I think denying something about Ange. Cackles like mad. Leon is just standing there in shock.

Cackles every few seconds. Leon gets sad. Bern takes Leon to the parlor. They talk about something that shocks him, and about Kinzo. Blood everywhere as Bern tramples on everything. Kyrie seems about to shoot him but Will cuts the screen in half and jumps in.

Pulls his sword on Bern. Thousands of cats' eyes. Will comes to Leon's defense, also there's butterflies. The cats appear to be Bern's weapon.

A white on Wright text battle. They seem to be fighting on stage. A red line from I think Will. Bern clashes, cue endscroll.

Spoiler for ????:

Back in Featherinne's weird hallway. Will and Leon are there, somebody's hurt. Looks like it's Will, as Bern is there. Leon freaks out. Bern attacks, end of Tea Party.

In the ????, Featherinne's theme plays over a chessboard. Bern and Auau are discussing something, perhaps her game. Bern meets Lambda and declares there will be no happy ending.

Back at the real-world chapel. It's Sorcerer Battler again, finally. He speaks a few words, shot of the small boat Young Kinzo and Beatrice-Prime used, credits roll.

WHOAH WHAT ? Noooooooooooooooo not...not....T_T.

[Tomoya-kun]

Originally Posted by Tjfarmer

Spoiler for Ep7 Tea Party:

Tea Party is essentially this...

Ange and Lion are in the theater with Claire. Scene shifts to the island, everyone is gathered (no Lion, or Right. Battler is there). The typical daily stuff happens, then letter arrives. But then the adults solve the Epitaph, and get to the gold. Once that happens, Eva shoots Natsuhi (accident or not, it happened). Same thing happened to Krauss. Then Rosa and Eva start to duke it out, and Kyrie comes in and shoots Rosa.

Then Kyrie shoots Eva. Though she is still alive, they thought she died.

Kyrie and Rudolph call the cousins, and lure George and Jessica out. Kyrie shoots Jessica then beats her to death (or just beats her corpse). Rudolph kills George. No idea what happens to Battler or Maria...

Eva comes to, and starts freaking out. She goes back to the surface and kills Rudolph. Kyrie comes out shortly after and they start to find. I don't know who wins... I might assume Eva, who then runs away and survives the explosion.

Then some stuff happens with Lion, and Wright comes to protect him. Bern and Wright start fighting, and then they charge at each other like Battler and Erika did in Ep5. Credits roll, and a short scene involving Wright and Lion plays.

Oh my God! O.O That's insane.

[Midnight Bliss]

Originally Posted by Helmet-kun

...Anyone else think that episode 7 is just gathering fan theories for episode 8 (should there be one) to smash into itty bitty pieces?

I really hope so. xD; I really, really do. I don't want the ending to be THAT bittersweet with how things are going.
...Ryukishi said this was going to give "answers", though...so maybe everything shouldn't be taken so lightly. xD; Bern has no love, and this is basically an alternate universe though. I'm interested in what answer Battler has come to. That was Bern's answer. But yeah, I've heard this episode focuses a lot on Shkanontrice and all that. Even though it apparently isn't confirmed nor denied?
Gah, too much confusion ;_; Will have to wait for a patch to understand things.

[Renall]

If I had to guess, this is Bern's theory for what "really happened."

Spoiler for Spoilers obviously:

The adults in Ange's reality did solve the epitaph by working together, but it didn't help them and they only wound up killing each other after "Beatrice" told them about the bomb and panicked them. Kyrie and Rudolf decided they'd just kill everybody for it. They probably ground up Maria (hence finding her jawbone) and killed the rest of the cousins (including, apparently, Battler?). Eva, however, survived and shot them both, then fled to Kuwadorian.

Eva survives, but she can never tell Ange the truth.

EDIT: Battler's death isn't shown so it's also theoretically possible, depending on what the text says, for him to have somehow survived. Though if he did he would have no reason not to make contact with Eva, unless he did and chose not to tell Ange he was alive to maintain the lie Eva had created.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by Renall

If I had to guess, this is Bern's theory for what "really happened."

Spoiler for Spoilers obviously:

The adults in Ange's reality did solve the epitaph by working together, but it didn't help them and they only wound up killing each other after "Beatrice" told them about the bomb and panicked them. Kyrie and Rudolf decided they'd just kill everybody for it. They probably ground up Maria (hence finding her jawbone) and killed the rest of the cousins (including, apparently, Battler?). Eva, however, survived and shot them both, then fled to Kuwadorian.

Eva survives, but she can never tell Ange the truth.

And we still don't know who Beatrice is at this point?

[Mikachiru]

So is the tea party the answer to EP 3 or who Beatrice is?

[Renall]

Well I'm sure all that servant stuff in the middle of the main episode explains it. I wasn't actually able to read the details though.

I'm pretty sure a servant (Shannon I guess?) solved the epitaph and "became Beatrice." I guess her goal was to steward the gold for Kinzo or something, hence her showing up when the adults solve the epitaph.

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

So is the tea party the answer to EP 3 or who Beatrice is?

I'm not sure but I think Bern is suggesting that Ange's future is the only future and that this is what she believes "actually happened." I have no idea if that's specifically her point, she seems to be able to destroy Meta-Ange (again) with her truth though.

[Megaolix]

Originally Posted by Renall

If I had to guess, this is Bern's theory for what "really happened."

Spoiler for Spoilers obviously:

The adults in Ange's reality did solve the epitaph by working together, but it didn't help them and they only wound up killing each other after "Beatrice" told them about the bomb and panicked them. Kyrie and Rudolf decided they'd just kill everybody for it. They probably ground up Maria (hence finding her jawbone) and killed the rest of the cousins (including, apparently, Battler?). Eva, however, survived and shot them both, then fled to Kuwadorian.

Eva survives, but she can never tell Ange the truth.

EDIT: Battler's death isn't shown so it's also theoretically possible, depending on what the text says, for him to have somehow survived. Though if he did he would have no reason not to make contact with Eva, unless he did and chose not to tell Ange he was alive to maintain the lie Eva had created.

So if that's her view and maybe not the absolute truth, could her declaration be destroyed then?

I guess that will be up to Battler...

[DgBarca]

Originally Posted by Renall

Spoiler for Post-Endscroll and ????:

Back in Featherinne's weird hallway. Will and Leon are there, somebody's hurt. Looks like it's Will, as Bern is there. Leon freaks out. Bern attacks, end of Tea Party.

In the ????, Featherinne's theme plays over a chessboard. Bern and Auau are discussing something, perhaps her game. Bern meets Lambda and declares there will be no happy ending.

Back at the real-world chapel. It's Sorcerer Battler again, finally. He speaks a few words, shot of the small boat Young Kinzo and Beatrice-Prime used, credits roll.

EDIT: And that's it, that's the end.

Spoiler for EP7:

Eva shoots Kyrie and Rudolf.
HO MAN THIS IS EP3 AGAIN !
Hell...the Tea Party sounds so much like EP3...So this is what "went wrong" in EP3...
Whoa...

[Disz]

Originally Posted by Renall

If I had to guess, this is Bern's theory for what "really happened."

Spoiler for Spoilers obviously:

The adults in Ange's reality did solve the epitaph by working together, but it didn't help them and they only wound up killing each other after "Beatrice" told them about the bomb and panicked them. Kyrie and Rudolf decided they'd just kill everybody for it. They probably ground up Maria (hence finding her jawbone) and killed the rest of the cousins (including, apparently, Battler?). Eva, however, survived and shot them both, then fled to Kuwadorian.

Eva survives, but she can never tell Ange the truth.

EDIT: Battler's death isn't shown so it's also theoretically possible, depending on what the text says, for him to have somehow survived. Though if he did he would have no reason not to make contact with Eva, unless he did and chose not to tell Ange he was alive to maintain the lie Eva had created.

That would probably explain why Eva would just give up after Ange's comments on not going to be her friend or some sort(Bern going back in time and all in that one story),and just decided to treat her like a relative of murderers and began to hate her.

[Renall]

Originally Posted by Megaolix

So if that's her view and maybe not the absolute truth, could her declaration be destroyed then?

I guess that will be up to Battler...

I believe that's the point of Battler's final bit there at the end of the ????. He seems pretty calm after all those events, so I'm hoping this is a sign he's finally put everything to rest and is going to storm back in and tear Bern apart.

[Megaolix]

Originally Posted by Renall

I believe that's the point of Battler's final bit there at the end of the ????. He seems pretty calm after all those events, so I'm hoping this is a sign he's finally put everything to rest and is going to storm back in and tear Bern apart.

'Without love, it can't be seen.'

...Seems like Bern will never be able to see the truth then. Time for Battler to be awesoem again I hope.

[Renall]

Originally Posted by Megaolix

'Without love, it can't be seen.'

...Seems like Bern will never be able to see the truth then. Time for Battler to be awesoem again I hope.

What do you mean "again?"

[Disz]

Originally Posted by Renall

I believe that's the point of Battler's final bit there at the end of the ????. He seems pretty calm after all those events, so I'm hoping this is a sign he's finally put everything to rest and is going to storm back in and tear Bern apart.

And then Bern will scream ''NOOOOO!!!!YOU HAVE DEFEATED MEEEEE!!'' and will soon come back as the antagonist in another no naku koroni game.

[Mikachiru]

Awesome stuff Renall! Thanks for the write up. :3

[Renall]

In terms of red/blue:

There is very, very little in this episode, at all. It'd probably fit on an index card. Will/Bern have a brief exchange of red and blue when he first appears, then there's no more blue for the entirety of the episode. One or two more red statements. Nothing else.

Both the major duels in the episode are "white text" duels.