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Old 2010-10-14, 16:14   Link #1121
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I think it might be a little overrated by the younger fans, but Dragonball is definitely the best action anime I've ever seen. The drawn out fight scenes were annoying but that is being remedied with Kai. Overall, if someone takes Dragonball for what it is - a superhero show without much seriousness, it is a lot of fun and I have trouble seeing how anyone can view it as overrated. Then again I am biased, it is one of my first anime and I can never forget/dislike it.
I agree completely,but the show did have it's moments,& not only was it fun,it had a great storyline and great character development.GT was pretty much everything a typical anti-Dragon Ball fan saw Dragon Ball as a whole : stupid,repetitive,boring,childish,immature,& lack substance.
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Old 2010-10-14, 19:20   Link #1122
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I agreed with everything you said except for Kai. I can't watch it at all.
Why is that? It's basically what DBZ should have been if they followed the manga properly.

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I agree completely,but the show did have it's moments,& not only was it fun,it had a great storyline and great character development.GT was pretty much everything a typical anti-Dragon Ball fan saw Dragon Ball as a whole : stupid,repetitive,boring,childish,immature,& lack substance.
Yeah, I think the storyline was great in how fun and original it is (in terms of new villains, their origins, etc), though definitely not great in terms of internal consistency... but that doesn't matter since the show doesn't rely on that. And GT pretty much is what all of DB gets stereotyped as, since Toriyama had no part in it. I think DBZ really just gets dragged down by the filler which is why I'm a big Kai supporter.
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Old 2010-10-14, 22:41   Link #1123
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Why is that? It's basically what DBZ should have been if they followed the manga properly.
Part of it is I grew up watching the regular DBZ. Secondly, I don't like the editing of blood and nudity. The new voice actors aren't as good the originals in my opinion either.
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Old 2010-10-15, 19:44   Link #1124
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Part of it is I grew up watching the regular DBZ. Secondly, I don't like the editing of blood and nudity. The new voice actors aren't as good the originals in my opinion either.
They're all the same voice actors though. And I grew up with the original too, this is basically the original minus all the bad parts . Though I guess that's just my opinion.
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Old 2010-10-16, 00:53   Link #1125
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^The REAL original is the first dub done by Pioneer (Eps 1-64 of the first run), and the voices and music selection was superior...Now that's not to say Funi didn't grow on me (Overall they've turned into a rather respectable outfit), but the first airing of DBZ had a certain crispness that was never seen again...I still love Vegeta's Funi voice (After the VA settled in), but his first dubbed voice was spectacular aswell...I sometimes think about how awesome it would have progressed...
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Old 2010-10-16, 22:29   Link #1126
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Yeah, I think the storyline was great in how fun and original it is (in terms of new villains, their origins, etc), though definitely not great in terms of internal consistency... but that doesn't matter since the show doesn't rely on that. And GT pretty much is what all of DB gets stereotyped as, since Toriyama had no part in it. I think DBZ really just gets dragged down by the filler which is why I'm a big Kai supporter.
Ok but I don't get why people always complain about dbz's pacing like it's the slowest paced anime in exsistence,Naruto,Bleach,or Inuyasha weren't faster paced yet people don't complain,in fact Naruto and Bleach are NOW slower paced,& Inuyasha was far slower paced(and ended LONG before the manga did as a testament of it's abysmal pacing)

I also don't get why everyone complains about the long fight scenes,they may have been very,very long but they were still great nonetheless,& what would people rather : Ridiculous filler episodes or stretched-out fight scenes
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Old 2010-10-17, 01:35   Link #1127
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They're all the same voice actors though. And I grew up with the original too, this is basically the original minus all the bad parts . Though I guess that's just my opinion.
The voice actors aren't the same. A good number of main characters are voiced by different people. What do you consider the "bad parts"?
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1. Naruto - I thought first season was decent because it looked like a ninja version of Dennis the Menace. But then they had to go with drama and a story that doesn't seem to go anywhere. Never mind the 7 minute recaps of what they did last episodes and slowly, and I mean slowly, explaining someone's powers for the last 7 minutes.

2. Dragon Ball - I can see why this series was popular in its hey-day. How often did you see cartoons that were pure action in the 90s? But still, you all know the well-known annoyances that made people turned off from the show. Fillers, plots going nowhere, etc. I don't remember much about what I saw, but I think I was annoyed about how the characters spent so much time on a saga just to revive one person and act like it's no big deal.

3. Elfen Lied - I don't appreciate how the series takes your emotions as hostages and disguises it as drama. I get it, the human characters are awful people. Every time something happens, I always picture a gasp track playing (like a laugh track, but with shocked gasps instead). I prefer to see conflict that isn't so forced.

4. Code Geass - I thought the premise was cool. I'm a sucker for alternate history fiction, but as the show progresses, it became so rushed and nonsensical that it hurts. The plot twists are something I expect from M. Night Shyamalan.

5. K-On! - I originally watched this to see what the big deal was. It's okay as a slice-of-life, but it's nothing to write home about. Except maybe for the ending song.

Now that I finished writing all that, I just realized I was typing about overrated shows I don't like. I should probably include overrated shows I do like for balance but oh well.
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Old 2010-10-31, 03:44   Link #1129
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So, I went on a little rant about popular anime on Facebook just now, and I thought this is an appropriate place to C+P my rant, to share my views with the more hardcore anime fans rather than some smugs in my school who knows jackshit about a good story:

As of now, the 'kings' of anime are: Naruto, Bleach, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, and to a lesser extent, One Piece (compared to the three, the popularity is dwindling). And of course, FMA:B is definitely the only one that's pure quality. No fanservice, no fillers, no cheesy remarks. Which is quite sad, considering there won't be another FMA:B or Code Geass or (even) Monster for another two to five years. But if you want to talk about popularity, the Queens of Anime are the ones which really succeed: K-On, Haruhi, Railgun, Aria the Animation, Elfen Lied - all of them either Shoujou anime or made mostly for girls. Amongst Japan, these are the top dogs, even more popular than Naruto, One Piece, or hell, Gundam. Who the Hell watches Gundam nowadays? It's done, people. There's no story left to tell.

On that note, I checked out the reviews of Gundam: Unicorn, and although I skimmed through them, there's one word I could make out from most of them in regards to the story: cliche. The reason the hate on mechas is so strong (I'm not talking about anime-biased fans here; I'm talking about the world population) is because the formula in stories of mechas are overused. Giant robot attacks. An even bigger robot, the good guy, defends. Bigger robot faces even bigger robot and loses. Good guy robot transforms even bigger and defeats bad guy. Sigh... you get the point. That's why when Iron Man was thrust with mecha... we just give a sigh.

On that note, shounen anime seems to be all about defeating one bad guy after another. Kinda like a videogame. We defeat this boss, and we move on to the next one. One Piece seems to demonstrate this trait quite a lot. I'm assuming Naruto and Bleach is no different. The point of the story is just to move on to beat even more powerful bad guys. That's the story.

Pokemon could be considered as the blueprint for anime like this. You beat one gym leader, and you move on to the next one. It's because of this that anime like these could never surpass other anime with a truly meaningful story to tell, instead of just wandering around in pointless fun like, say, K-On.

Also, do remember that popularity means two things - jack and shit. Anything in the world could be popular and still have no meaning in its existence.
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Old 2010-10-31, 13:44   Link #1130
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...and to a lesser extent, One Piece (compared to the three, the popularity is dwindling).
...One Piece, both the manga and anime, is among the most successful anime EVER, getting in twice the ratings of both Naruto and Bleach every week, and I believe volume 57 of the manga was one of Shonen Jump's highest-selling graphic novels of all time.

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K-On, Haruhi, Railgun, Aria the Animation, Elfen Lied - all of them either Shoujou anime or made mostly for girls.
...Dude... NONE of those shows are aimed at girls.
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Old 2010-10-31, 23:33   Link #1131
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My top 5 list is made up of anime that bored me to tears and invoked no emotions whatsoever despite being highly rated.

1. Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni (Umineko was even worse, but there are a lot of people that didn't like it either so it's not so much overrated)

2. FLCL

3. Samurai Champloo

4. Wolf's Rain (Although the OVA kicked ass)

5. Naruto/Bleach (Not just cause they're shounen, I happen to like the genre. These just fell flat half way through)
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Old 2010-11-01, 13:21   Link #1132
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So, I went on a little rant about popular anime on Facebook just now, and I thought this is an appropriate place to C+P my rant, to share my views with the more hardcore anime fans rather than some smugs in my school who knows jackshit about a good story:

As of now, the 'kings' of anime are: Naruto, Bleach, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, and to a lesser extent, One Piece (compared to the three, the popularity is dwindling). And of course, FMA:B is definitely the only one that's pure quality. No fanservice, no fillers, no cheesy remarks. Which is quite sad, considering there won't be another FMA:B or Code Geass or (even) Monster for another two to five years. But if you want to talk about popularity, the Queens of Anime are the ones which really succeed: K-On, Haruhi, Railgun, Aria the Animation, Elfen Lied - all of them either Shoujou anime or made mostly for girls. Amongst Japan, these are the top dogs, even more popular than Naruto, One Piece, or hell, Gundam. Who the Hell watches Gundam nowadays? It's done, people. There's no story left to tell.

On that note, I checked out the reviews of Gundam: Unicorn, and although I skimmed through them, there's one word I could make out from most of them in regards to the story: cliche. The reason the hate on mechas is so strong (I'm not talking about anime-biased fans here; I'm talking about the world population) is because the formula in stories of mechas are overused. Giant robot attacks. An even bigger robot, the good guy, defends. Bigger robot faces even bigger robot and loses. Good guy robot transforms even bigger and defeats bad guy. Sigh... you get the point. That's why when Iron Man was thrust with mecha... we just give a sigh.

On that note, shounen anime seems to be all about defeating one bad guy after another. Kinda like a videogame. We defeat this boss, and we move on to the next one. One Piece seems to demonstrate this trait quite a lot. I'm assuming Naruto and Bleach is no different. The point of the story is just to move on to beat even more powerful bad guys. That's the story.

Pokemon could be considered as the blueprint for anime like this. You beat one gym leader, and you move on to the next one. It's because of this that anime like these could never surpass other anime with a truly meaningful story to tell, instead of just wandering around in pointless fun like, say, K-On.

Also, do remember that popularity means two things - jack and shit. Anything in the world could be popular and still have no meaning in its existence.
Lol. In Japan One Piece is more popular than Bleach and Naruto, so it's popularity is not dwindling. Brotherhood is far from "pure quality" with its forced comedy and repetitive action. And who seriously wants another Code Geass? A story full of plot holes and inconsistencies, CG is incredibly overrated.
Aria the Animation more popular than the big three? Seriously? That's funny.
Also, how exactly is Pokemon a blueprint for anything? Considering Dragonball aired 11 years prior to Pokemon.

The whole popularity automatically = jack shit, just makes you sound like an idiotic elitist and it's also contradictory of your previous statement since Brotherhood and CG are extremely popular. Try again.
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Old 2010-11-18, 02:04   Link #1133
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1: Bleach. So many people are so obsessed with this, and I get it if that's what they like, they can like it but I just never got into it. I tried to, but I think it's overrated and kind of a bandwagon anime, so mainstream that some people think they have to watch it just to fit in. Then again, a lot of people genuinely like it, but I'm just not into it.

2: Naruto. Not gonna lie, I used to really love Naruto. But as the series went on, it just fell a little flat and they lost the whole "keep you wanting more" factor like they used to have in the beginning through to about the middle.

3: One Piece. Again, I used to be really into it but it seems really repetitive and even though they use different characters and such, not a whole lot gets accomplished anymore.

4: Pokemon. Oh god. They should have stopped after they introduced the Hoenn region. It was fine up until then, I grew up with the first couple seasons of pokemon and it's a good anime when you're young, but as you grow up and look back at fond memories with it, but you also look at what's going on now and in the past few years up until now, they're just butchering what should have stayed a fond memory.

and 5: The new Yu-Gi-Oh stuff. Just like pokemon, the original story and plot was a good memory, but almost as soon as they introduced all their GX nonsense, Yu-Gi-Oh died. It's just a bunch of new ways to play the silly over-complicated card game and it seems like they only do all this filler crud because they don't want it to end, when it just needs to.

That's it. I don't have much of a problem with any other anime.
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Old 2010-11-18, 02:46   Link #1134
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As of now, the 'kings' of anime are: Naruto, Bleach, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, and to a lesser extent, One Piece (compared to the three, the popularity is dwindling).

Are you kidding~?

Not only is One Piece is the highest-selling manga in the history of Weekly Shonen Jump in Japa (the first manga to increase the magazine's sales in eleven years since Dragonball), but Volume 57 holds a manga publishing record in Japan, with 3 million copies published in its first printing alone, beating the previous record held by HARRY POTTER. The anime also gets more views per new episode than Bleach AND Naruto combined.



..... though, if you were refering to One Piece in the US and IT'S popularity, then I do gotta apologize. Funimation is trying their hardest dammit~
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Old 2010-11-18, 08:11   Link #1135
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1. FLCL
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5. ... i guess Strike Witches.
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My top 5 list is made up of anime that bored me to tears and invoked no emotions whatsoever despite being highly rated.

2. FLCL
REALLY?! I consider FLCL to be one of the most emotionally successful anime of all time.

As for me...

Naruto: Pretty much a typical shounen series. I thought the different villages was a cool concept, but the series got very boring very fast.

Bleach: I gave it a good try, but I couldn't get into this one at all. Everything about it just seems one dimensional.

Durarara!!: I've tried to get into this series on several occasions, I just can't see the appeal.

Tsubasa Chronicles: This one made it on the list because it's rated #37 on Myanimelist's top anime. I thought the series was okay, but far from noteworthy. The premise was decent, but I thought it was 'meh' overall.

Inuyasha: Well, I wouldn't say it's overrated now-a-days, its fanbase seems to have dwindled a bit. I just found this series to be overwhelmingly boring and repetitive. The entire series can be summed up within a few episodes.
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REALLY?! I consider FLCL to be one of the most emotionally successful anime of all time.

As for me...

Naruto: Pretty much a typical shounen series. I thought the different villages was a cool concept, but the series got very boring very fast.

Bleach: I gave it a good try, but I couldn't get into this one at all. Everything about it just seems one dimensional.

Durarara!!: I've tried to get into this series on several occasions, I just can't see the appeal.

Tsubasa Chronicles: This one made it on the list because it's rated #37 on Myanimelist's top anime. I thought the series was okay, but far from noteworthy. The premise was decent, but I thought it was 'meh' overall.

Inuyasha: Well, I wouldn't say it's overrated now-a-days, its fanbase seems to have dwindled a bit. I just found this series to be overwhelmingly boring and repetitive. The entire series can be summed up within a few episodes.
but while you like FLCL, people are laughing at you for watching bleach/naruto. its his list, got nothin to do with yours
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Old 2010-11-24, 20:16   Link #1139
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4: Pokemon. Oh god. They should have stopped after they introduced the Hoenn region. It was fine up until then, I grew up with the first couple seasons of pokemon and it's a good anime when you're young, but as you grow up and look back at fond memories with it, but you also look at what's going on now and in the past few years up until now, they're just butchering what should have stayed a fond memory.
I fully agree with this! I find Pokemon a very overrated anime that should have just ended awhile ago, not go on into more seasons and just be ongoing and show no signs of stopping.. I used to like Pokemon as a kid (during the very first season of Pokemon) but it was just neverending, so I quitted.
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Old 2010-11-24, 20:35   Link #1140
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...One Piece, both the manga and anime, is among the most successful anime EVER, getting in twice the ratings of both Naruto and Bleach every week, and I believe volume 57 of the manga was one of Shonen Jump's highest-selling graphic novels of all time.
Agree with this one, One Piece is far more superior than the other Big 2,

I think it is OP > Naruto > Bleach.


^ and Pokemon is sure over rated, always starting new adventures (repetitive manner) but with a different face... sigh..
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