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Bonta Kun · 2011-01-13, 15:08

The 2 guesses would be it's either a "supernatural" ability or she is just plain super smart and I mean super smart, her IQ would be off the charts.
She was given sparse 2nd hand info by word and she manges to come up with that conclusion.
Well I guess the crime itself wasn't terribly intricate in the first place.

TBH I've always had trouble with murder mystery type stories in anime, especially when it involves kids doing the problem solving but this would be one of the rare expectations where it seems rather interesting.
I've said before about these types of anime my viewing of them is kinda ruined cause of the influence of shows like CSI and the sort.

I'll stick around just to see a little more of Victorique, she's pretty interesting and amusing compared to what you usually get with kid detectives.

oh and Grevil + fabulous hair = another great amusement factor

Lord of Fire · 2011-01-13, 15:15

I'm not buying the 'supernatural' explanation. The high IQ one sounds more plausible to me, considering she comes off as quite mature for her (apparent) age, mostly because of her voice, and she seems to be bored quite easily (which, I believe, is seen as a drawback to being very smart). And Grevil probably doesn't want the world to know that all his efforts are being done by a little girl, so he hides her in the library to take credit for it.

Hopefully, the next episodes will shed some light on this.

Hooves · 2011-01-13, 17:22

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Originally Posted by Bonta Kun

oh and Grevil + fabulous hair = another great amusement factor

I find it surprising no one else in the anime is remarking on his unique hair besides our male lead

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And Grevil probably doesn't want the world to know that all his efforts are being done by a little girl, so he hides her in the library to take credit for it.

That sounds like a good reason. It also explains why he was scared that our male lead was about to go saying that the recent case was done by a little girl and he would instantly go down the drain in popularity.

Flower · 2011-01-13, 18:32

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I'm not buying the 'supernatural' explanation. The high IQ one sounds more plausible to me, considering she comes off as quite mature for her (apparent) age, mostly because of her voice, and she seems to be bored quite easily (which, I believe, is seen as a drawback to being very smart). And Grevil probably doesn't want the world to know that all his efforts are being done by a little girl, so he hides her in the library to take credit for it....

Agreed.

Perhaps some would argue that regarding Sherlock Holmes' powers of deduction as well? But it was pretty clear that his great logical mind was nothing supernatural.

Why not allow the same deduction for Victorique?

Random Wanderer · 2011-01-13, 19:07

Based on some spoiler information I found on the internets, there is another reason that would make sense for Grevil to keep Victorique locked away, and it also has nothing to do with anything supernatural. I am being deliberately vague, both so as not to spoil anything, and so I (hopefully) won't invite the wrath of the moderators for posting novel spoilers (I didn't POST the spoiler, I just said it existed. That's ok, right?).

Regardless, it's also most likely true that he doesn't want it revealed that he's an incompetent idiot who only got the job through family influence rather than any skill.

Ravenblitz · 2011-01-13, 19:45

Newtype scan.. Victorique.. CUTE

Eater of All · 2011-01-13, 19:51

Wait, did I miss something regarding Grevil and Victorique's relationship? I know Grevil said that without his influence Victorique can't get out, but it doesn't seem like he's the one who put her there in the first place.

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Agreed.

Perhaps some would argue that regarding Sherlock Holmes' powers of deduction as well? But it was pretty clear that his great logical mind was nothing supernatural.

Why not allow the same deduction for Victorique?

Besides, putting in supernatural elements into a detective story is lame

(unless it's skillfully handled, which is hard to do).

Hooves · 2011-01-13, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Eater of All

Wait, did I miss something regarding Grevil and Victorique's relationship? I know Grevil said that without his influence Victorique can't get out, but it doesn't seem like he's the one who put her there in the first place.

Yeah... Did I miss something as well.. When Victorique was outside to meet Grevil on the boat, he did not give any impression that he was locking her up.

Random Wanderer · 2011-01-13, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Eater of All

Wait, did I miss something regarding Grevil and Victorique's relationship? I know Grevil said that without his influence Victorique can't get out, but it doesn't seem like he's the one who put her there in the first place.

I'm not sure that he put her there (I'm working off supposition: I don't know WHO put her there), but he does have at least one reason to want to KEEP her there that has not yet been revealed in the anime. I don't know for sure that he DOES want to keep her there, but it would be a logical response to this particular thing.

Flower · 2011-01-13, 20:09

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....Besides, putting in supernatural elements into a detective story is lame

(unless it's skillfully handled, which is hard to do).

I seem to remember Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie both using supernatural elements as reference points for their stories - sometimes they show how these elements were used by the "bad guys" to cover up their activities, and other times they leave the elements unanswered - sorta kinda leaving the reader hanging with a "I wonder if it was real?" kinda thing ... iirc in "recent" anime the episodes about the mysterious island "murder case" in the Suzumiya Haruhi series had an element of that at the end of the 2 episode arc.

But I agree that it is very tricky to handle in such a way that the reader does not sit back, roll their eyes and say "Riiiiiiiight...."

aeriolewinters · 2011-01-13, 20:39

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Yeah... Did I miss something as well.. When Victorique was outside to meet Grevil on the boat, he did not give any impression that he was locking her up.
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Look at the OP carefully, you'd figure out who's locking her up.

SquirrelLuvsPnut · 2011-01-13, 21:58

Hmmm.... could it be connected to Vic's necklace somehow? I tried to see if anything was written on it, but I couldn't see. Either way, I hope Grevil doesn't disappear afterthe first couple of episodes, or get's murdered. He's a good balance with Vic's seriousness.

FateAnomaly · 2011-01-13, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Mycanid

Agreed.

Perhaps some would argue that regarding Sherlock Holmes' powers of deduction as well? But it was pretty clear that his great logical mind was nothing supernatural.

Why not allow the same deduction for Victorique?

Because Sherlock Holmes actually had to go down to the scene and get most of the information first hand.

Eater of All · 2011-01-13, 22:32

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

I'm not sure that he put her there (I'm working off supposition: I don't know WHO put her there), but he does have at least one reason to want to KEEP her there that has not yet been revealed in the anime. I don't know for sure that he DOES want to keep her there, but it would be a logical response to this particular thing.

Oh I see. So far Grevil seems like just another one of those innocent comedy type of characters to me, and judging from his interactions with Victorique, it doesn't feel like he would be the one trapping her in the library. Or maybe there's more to him than meets the eye.

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Originally Posted by Mycanid

I seem to remember Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie both using supernatural elements as reference points for their stories - sometimes they show how these elements were used by the "bad guys" to cover up their activities, and other times they leave the elements unanswered - sorta kinda leaving the reader hanging with a "I wonder if it was real?" kinda thing ... iirc in "recent" anime the episodes about the mysterious island "murder case" in the Suzumiya Haruhi series had an element of that at the end of the 2 episode arc.

But I agree that it is very tricky to handle in such a way that the reader does not sit back, roll their eyes and say "Riiiiiiiight...."

In this case though, the suspected supernatural involving Victorique pulling knowledge out of thin air is just so ridiculously convenient that I just can't see any sane story using it.

Same_Shark · 2011-01-13, 23:55

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Originally Posted by Hooves

Yeah... Did I miss something as well.. When Victorique was outside to meet Grevil on the boat, he did not give any impression that he was locking her up.

All I can say about that is read the novels. It's in the first few chapters, I believe.

capture · 2011-01-13, 23:59

Started again to watch anime and glad to see a good one, I think I will like this one a lot, it's a mystery theme and have a good settings, and of course the cute Victorique is pleasant to see.

SuzushinaYuriko · 2011-01-14, 00:28

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Originally Posted by Eater of All

Wait, did I miss something regarding Grevil and Victorique's relationship? I know Grevil said that without his influence Victorique can't get out, but it doesn't seem like he's the one who put her there in the first place.

Besides, putting in supernatural elements into a detective story is lame

(unless it's skillfully handled, which is hard to do).

Don't worry, light will be shed on Grevil's and Victorique's relationship soon.

Victorique is not a supernatural character. The "fragments of chaos" thing is a catchphrase she uses when she pieces together information, much like Kyrie/Battler's "turn around the chessboard" line from Umineko and Keima's "I can already see the ending!" line from TWGOK.

Marcus H. · 2011-01-14, 01:20

I agree. Since Victorica is so articulate in English (or Japanese or French), flowery words like "piecing together fragments of chaos" should be second nature to her.

FlareKnight · 2011-01-14, 02:26

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I find it surprising no one else in the anime is remarking on his unique hair besides our male lead

Think like Kujo and Victorique few want to associate with him and bring Grevil into their comments

. Plus it's just a hairstyle you have to laugh at. Other than being worried about him putting out someone's eye not too much else to say there.

aeriolewinters · 2011-01-14, 09:48

it has already begun...

Spoiler for What mainstream viewers think of Gosick:

2011-01-13, 15:08	Link #401
Bonta Kun Know who you are Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Resides within the depths of Ned infested Glasgow	The 2 guesses would be it's either a "supernatural" ability or she is just plain super smart and I mean super smart, her IQ would be off the charts. She was given sparse 2nd hand info by word and she manges to come up with that conclusion. Well I guess the crime itself wasn't terribly intricate in the first place. TBH I've always had trouble with murder mystery type stories in anime, especially when it involves kids doing the problem solving but this would be one of the rare expectations where it seems rather interesting. I've said before about these types of anime my viewing of them is kinda ruined cause of the influence of shows like CSI and the sort. I'll stick around just to see a little more of Victorique, she's pretty interesting and amusing compared to what you usually get with kid detectives. oh and Grevil + fabulous hair = another great amusement factor __________________

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Lord of Fire The Voice of Reason Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Age: 47	I'm not buying the 'supernatural' explanation. The high IQ one sounds more plausible to me, considering she comes off as quite mature for her (apparent) age, mostly because of her voice, and she seems to be bored quite easily (which, I believe, is seen as a drawback to being very smart). And Grevil probably doesn't want the world to know that all his efforts are being done by a little girl, so he hides her in the library to take credit for it. Hopefully, the next episodes will shed some light on this. __________________

2011-01-13, 19:45	Link #406
Ravenblitz \|･ω･`) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Getting there	Newtype scan.. Victorique.. CUTE __________________

2011-01-13, 23:59	Link #416
capture Saber's Husband XD Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 36	Started again to watch anime and glad to see a good one, I think I will like this one a lot, it's a mystery theme and have a good settings, and of course the cute Victorique is pleasant to see. __________________

2011-01-14, 01:20	Link #418
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	I agree. Since Victorica is so articulate in English (or Japanese or French), flowery words like "piecing together fragments of chaos" should be second nature to her. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-01-13, 19:07	Link #405
Random Wanderer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Based on some spoiler information I found on the internets, there is another reason that would make sense for Grevil to keep Victorique locked away, and it also has nothing to do with anything supernatural. I am being deliberately vague, both so as not to spoil anything, and so I (hopefully) won't invite the wrath of the moderators for posting novel spoilers (I didn't POST the spoiler, I just said it existed. That's ok, right?). Regardless, it's also most likely true that he doesn't want it revealed that he's an incompetent idiot who only got the job through family influence rather than any skill.

2011-01-13, 21:58	Link #412
SquirrelLuvsPnut Kill on sight Join Date: Apr 2007	Hmmm.... could it be connected to Vic's necklace somehow? I tried to see if anything was written on it, but I couldn't see. Either way, I hope Grevil doesn't disappear afterthe first couple of episodes, or get's murdered. He's a good balance with Vic's seriousness.

2011-01-14, 09:48	Link #420
aeriolewinters Photomancy Experiments Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Balanga City, Bataan, Philippines	it has already begun... Spoiler for What mainstream viewers think of Gosick: __________________