Madoka Magica - Spoilers & Speculation

[Fandal]

Anyone here speculate on the ending? (Ending of episode with the ending song, not series)

[guuchan]

Originally Posted by Fandal

Anyone here speculate on the ending? (Ending of episode with the ending song, not series)

Like this?

[Fandal]

Originally Posted by guuchan

Like this?

I was thinking more of the imagery. It looks like Madoka was walking through a field of lost souls. The souls there look aimless and lost while Madoka had a destination to go to.

[guuchan]

Originally Posted by Fandal

I was thinking more of the imagery. It looks like Madoka was walking through a field of lost souls. The souls there look aimless and lost while Madoka had a destination to go to.

Ah.

For some reason most people seem to think the "hints" there are misleading or red herrings, if I remember correctly.

[zetsubou-san]

Since this is the speculation thread, here's my wholly unscientific 2 cents:

Spoiler for Speculation:

Sayaka will descent into witchdom, but not before ripping the guts out of the ingrates Hitomi and Kyosuke who she saved through the sacrifice of her soul.

Mark my words people.

[Arkeus]

Originally Posted by zetsubou-san

Since this is the speculation thread, here's my wholly unscientific 2 cents:

Spoiler for Speculation:

Sayaka will descent into witchdom, but not before ripping the guts out of the ingrates Hitomi and Kyosuke who she saved through the sacrifice of her soul.

Mark my words people.

Ingrates... about what?

They don't know any such things.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Fandal

I was thinking more of the imagery. It looks like Madoka was walking through a field of lost souls. The souls there look aimless and lost while Madoka had a destination to go to.

Only her destination is the eye of Mephisto. You also see how Homura tries to stop her. So, if the ED isn't lying, it means that if Madoka doesn't hear Homura's warnings and make a contract with Kyubey, she'll end up dancing on the palm of the Devil.

Originally Posted by k//eternal

She did live longer as a result of her wish. Sure, she had to battle witches afterward and eventually got killed, but she wasn't exactly screwed over.

No, she lived longer as a result of being a magical girl, but her wish was a waste because she wouldn't have needed any help after making the contract anyway. In other words, Kyubey got her for free.

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

No, she lived longer as a result of being a magical girl, but her wish was a waste because she wouldn't have needed any help after making the contract anyway. In other words, Kyubey got her for free.

If her wish was to live, then she got her wish. Mami herself says she was grateful for it.

[SagaraSouske]

Wild speculation here:

Somehow Sayaka will be able to entrust her soul gem to Madoka even when she turn into witch/die etc. Madoka then is able to become MG by herself using Sayaka's soul gem with information unintentionally blurt out by Homura, possibly how Homura became MG herself and not through contracting with QB.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

If her wish was to live, then she got her wish. Mami herself says she was grateful for it.

Her wish was "help", as stated in the manga.

[Knightrunner]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

No, she lived longer as a result of being a magical girl, but her wish was a waste because she wouldn't have needed any help after making the contract anyway. In other words, Kyubey got her for free.

The Kyubey sure played her good. He could have asked anytime, but instead only ask at her dieing moment. She would have lived if she made the contract anyways so if she would have wished for her family's safety then she would get more from the wish. lol Then again she doesn't even have time to ask about the rules. Almost like signing a blank contract or even a proxy consent.

Originally Posted by Kaijo

If her wish was to live, then she got her wish. Mami herself says she was grateful for it.

I would be greatful to have my life extended Nobody can argue with this statement

[Seihai]

Originally Posted by Knightrunner

I would be greatful to have my life extended Nobody can argue with this statement

Tell that to people who cannot move and suffer like madness who are eventually forced to live more months through shitty medicines than what the person actually desires. So yes, it's arguable and shouldn't be generalized imo. Always look at the context. But in Mami's case, it's understandable. Still, she herself stated that she should have died at that time (or did I remember wrong?) and it was primarily a spontaneous reflex reaction.

[FlavorOfLife]

Originally Posted by Vanish

Tell that to people who cannot move and suffer like madness who are eventually forced to live more months through shitty medicines than what the person actually desires. So yes, it's arguable and shouldn't be generalized imo. Always look at the context. But in Mami's case, it's understandable. Still, she herself stated that she should have died at that time (or did I remember wrong?) and it was primarily a spontaneous reflex reaction.

Yeah agreed. People just need to visit a hospice or similar. It will open people's eyes but no one will do it until they are forced because its always better to remain ignorant so you can say "i didn't know" to yourself.

Mami is the only case i don't feel is moronic. She was caught in an emergency situation and had no time to consider. Kyoko and even much more so, Sayaka were truly stupid in the way they made their wishes. Kyoko could be excused more simply because she had no awareness -> aka naive. Sayaka had plenty of awareness as she showed in ep 3 05:40 to 06:00

[Fandal]

You know what this series needs? A Kamijou Touma. Yes, that Touma from Toaru Majutsu no Index. Some good old fashion preaching would be nice too. Nobody here seems to be thinking straight.

Index/Railgun Spoiler:

Spoiler:

I didn't realize it at first but these characters are Misaka's Mikoto's age. Misaka somehow survived much better than these characters. At the end, she became 50x stronger than she would have been before that situation.

I wonder if they are going to take the Misaka option of self-sacrifice like she choose to do w/ Accelerator before Touma intervened. This series feels like I'm watching Index/Railgun again except with this open question "What would this show be like w/o Touma?"

Nobody has yet to punch Kyuube or even interrogated it yet. Misaka would have done that by the absolute latest, episode 4 let alone 7!

At the rate this plot is going, all these characters are going to end up off a cliff soon choosing the absolute worst option. At the very least, how about a Tuxedo Mask?

[Seihai]

Is that supposed to be a comparison? If it had Touma straightness or biribiri overpoweredness that would destroy the whole tragedy. This is like the other coin side of said straightness which is driven into fatality if you look at Sayaka who is fairly hero~ish anyway. In other words, it's more realistic.

[Fandal]

Originally Posted by Vanish

Is that supposed to be a comparison? If it had Touma straightness or biribiri overpoweredness that would destroy the whole tragedy. This is like the other coin side of said straightness which is driven into fatality if you look at Sayaka who is fairly hero~ish anyway. In other words, it's more realistic.

That's what I'm thinking!

Though in all fairness to the series, I think Kyuube does choose certain personality types on purpose. People who are weaker minded and are easily influenced. It makes it's job much easier!

[Seihai]

Originally Posted by Fandal

Though in all fairness to the series, I think Kyuube does choose certain personality types on purpose. People who are weaker minded and are easily influenced. It makes it's job much easier!

You think so? Do you really see him choose certain personalities? If so, what kinda? I'd like to think the personalities he has thus far contracted and still plans on contracting with (5 of them) are very much different. As far as I understand it, everyone who can potentially see him (for instance, Hitomi cannot and thus is not qualified) has a chance at it.

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Her wish was "help", as stated in the manga.

Are we assuming the manga is applicable to this universe, and not an AU? Given that there are a few differences, it is likely an AU. I've been in a few fandoms where the anime or manga starts out similar, but diverges down the road.

At any rate, she got help and thus was able to live.

Speculative side point, but Mami's power seems to be those binds. She might have been trapped in that car wreck, and so the wish for help translated into the magic binds.

Originally Posted by Knightrunner

The Kyubey sure played her good. He could have asked anytime, but instead only ask at her dieing moment.

To be fair, we don't know this. It is possible he was tracking someone with potential, but only found her at that moment. We haven't seen anyone else that he approached for the first time when they were in a life or death situation, like a vulture waiting for prey to die, so it is unlikely to be his MO.

Originally Posted by Vanish

Tell that to people who cannot move and suffer like madness who are eventually forced to live more months through shitty medicines than what the person actually desires.

And yet, such people can make the choice to die if they want. Your point would be relevant, if Mami wanted to die. She didn't, and was grateful that she could live.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

Are we assuming the manga is applicable to this universe, and not an AU? Given that there are a few differences, it is likely an AU. I've been in a few fandoms where the anime or manga starts out similar, but diverges down the road.

Not assuming. Gen said the script for the anime and the manga are the same. Only minor details, like visuals and such, were altered.

[Seihai]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

And yet, such people can make the choice to die if they want. Your point would be relevant, if Mami wanted to die. She didn't, and was grateful that she could live.

No, not all can. Take people in a coma who may never wake up again. Or if you want to add the suffer aspect, people that technically live but are not able to, you know, get things across / communicate. And I know it's irrelevant but so was the generalization that supposely is not arguable. I just wanted to clear that up as I wasn't satisfied with such a statement. I also agree that she was grateful. What I think is disputable is the initial start of her second chance at life though. It was just a bit too situational for my taste.