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2011-02-15, 11:53 | Link #7364 |
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you people donīt know anything about lelouch or about light,, light was someone who wanted to save the world of crimminals at the bginning but later he went insane and killed who ever was about to come in his way, In the end he couldn't take the world over and was killed by ryuk,,, lelouch was someone who wanted to take over Britannia and wanted revenge from his dad and on the same time wanted to create peace for his litter sister ( Nunally) and then everyone tought he went insane but everything was planned by the genius Lelouch Lamperouge ( he was the 99th emperor for a while ) he let all the anger of the world focus on him and then let the person in the zero mask ( suzaku ) kill him on purpose and then there was world peace.
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2011-02-16, 00:09 | Link #7367 |
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An insane plan by an insane man...who always thought the ends justified the means even when he was sane.
It's worth specifying that Lelouch's own brand of insanity is very different from Light's though. Avoiding some of the tragedies would be easy, or so it seems, but unless you change the man... ...you're asking for a change in the universe around him where all the bad luck is replaced with good fortune. That way we would have a more constructive story but perhaps things would have been more boring as a result. |
2011-02-16, 00:16 | Link #7368 |
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Except that with ZR, he'd completely lost his shit by the end.
Anyways, how about less bad luck, enough so that the ZR could be averted? Things wouldn't necessarily become boring, and more importantly, things wouldn't be as contrived as they were. Win-win. |
2011-02-17, 01:47 | Link #7369 | |
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Wow people still going over about this?
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Ironically after having an ephiphany his older Brother takes over his Black Knights while he accepts his destiny and takes control of Britannia and uses it to achieve his goals. That's why I love the guy. In the end he ends up taking control of it. |
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2011-02-19, 08:14 | Link #7370 |
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ZR can be seen as a mirror to what Treize did in Gundam Wing.
Both Lelouch and Treize had a dead wish, so the world can be inherited by a bloodless, innocent person. Can Lelouch and Treize rule the world and make the world better? Absolutely. But there will always be people who oppose them because they represent the opposite factions. Kinda like an invader invade your country. Even if they rule better than the previous ruler, there are always people oppose them because they are the "invader" and "overthrown" our society causing death in the progress. A simpler example: I kill your love ones. Even if I did plenty of good after I kill your love ones, you would still want to kill me and the only way to break the chain of hate, is for me to die.
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2011-02-19, 14:17 | Link #7371 |
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It wasn't so much hatred towards Lelouch himself as it was hatred in general, and directing it towards a single person, that was invoked. Imagine if someone tried that during World War II. It would not end well.
Besides, there were other people in the series who got off scot free who in real life would be put up for war crimes. And Lelouch had a death wish because as far as he knew either was dead or out of his reach. Including Nunnally in the FLEIJA blast. Except, wait, she wasn't, but he didn't find out until it was too late to turn back. Doh. |
2011-02-19, 15:35 | Link #7372 | |
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We're both fortunate and unfortunate then, since Code Geass isn't meant to be an animated World War II documentary but a sci-fi/fantasy drama.
In our particular context, what fukarming wrote is entirely applicable as a possible parallel. Lelouch had far more personal baggage involved, to be sure, but the man himself also came to believe that was a workable plan for reasons that, for better or for worse, went beyond those concerns. Doesn't mean he was right though. Quote:
We've been down this road before, but it's worth making the point again for the sake of those who might let the spirit of modern international law get to their heads, as opposed to the cruel reality of what actually happens after a war has ended in the vast majority of recorded cases. The list of those accused at Nuremberg wasn't chock full of Russians or Americans, to say the least, and certainly not because they hadn't committed war crimes. Last edited by Xander; 2011-02-19 at 15:45. |
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HAHAHA--... echem.
Yes, Lelouch is awesome... and whether ZR would have happened had he not lost so many people close to him towards the end shall forever remain a mistery. Probably not, but it is undeniable than in Mutuality, he strongly implied that his personal feelings of guilt were a deciding factor.
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Well, he was screwed up at the time, and was already essentially looking to end his existence right after Nunnally's apparent death and the betrayal. Before that, the endgame was the more sensible one of fixing the world by beating the Britannian Empire with the help of the UFN.
It's too bad Nunnally had been hidden away and used as a pawn against him once again, not to mention that Villetta once again screwed him over. Lelouch was one unlucky bastard. |
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2011-02-21, 14:01 | Link #7379 | |
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Well, actually, it really is difficult to say with Lelouch. I suppose if either Shirley or Nunnally had been around or even a C.C. with her memories intact, the chances for Zero Requiem would have decreased drastically. Suzaku seemingly betraying him was also pretty bad, but I bevlieve he could have recovered from that under different circumstances - at least to a notable extent.
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