2011-01-22, 15:37 | Link #1162 |
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There's some pretty long rants on hypocrites too. Yea, honestly I think hating politicians is the way.
It was actually a pretty decent warning on not blindly following the "sacred texts". But not many could take heed, as shown by the corruption of the church where the papacy became very strong in the middle ages. People couldn't read the Bible because it was in latin, and thus whoever did know it would be tempted to make up shit. So it is a bit frustrating that it's been used (along with the Koran) to start countless wars and persecution. Now when you see how people reacted to the printing press as the work of the devil... (uh oh, people are gonna know the truth) it all makes sense. Or you can lament how people have more access to information and reading but don't bother trying to understand anything anyways. So indeed one of the problems that are faced is just ignorance.
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2011-01-27, 14:31 | Link #1163 | |
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2011-02-24, 22:54 | Link #1164 | |
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Obama No Longer Will Defend Marriage Act
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2011-02-25, 09:27 | Link #1167 | |
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2011-02-25, 09:42 | Link #1168 | ||
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No, I suppose it "was created" for any reason but love. So what? Things have changed since then.
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2011-02-25, 12:00 | Link #1169 | |
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Tax benefits, power of attorney, becoming their "next of kin" so you can visit legally in the hospital for intensive care and you're decision is used if the other is incapacitated and unable to decide themselves, should something happen to them it allows collection of insurance and social security benefits to be defaulted to the other, gives say on any after event cases [ie if the police want to do an autopsy due to crime, they need your approval, or for arranging their funeral], and plenty of other important things this was just to give some examples that should show why marriage rights for everyone is something that should happen.
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2011-02-25, 12:09 | Link #1170 | ||
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2011-02-25, 12:17 | Link #1171 | |
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So either it needs to be same sex marriage, or Civil Unions are improved to offer the same rights and benefits as a marriage.
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2011-02-25, 12:21 | Link #1172 | |
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Same sex relationships will never be equal to heterosexual relationships in everyway, and marriage is a union between a man and a woman. I am completely against degrading marriage, more than it already has been in the past century. |
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2011-02-25, 12:34 | Link #1173 | |
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2011-02-25, 12:36 | Link #1174 |
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Why? If you believe that it is the act of marriage that is "sacred" (I'm not using the religious connotation of the word...unless that is your intent), then as so long as civil unions are not considered a marriage, why should it matter if all the same legal rights and responsibilities are shared between the two?
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2011-02-25, 12:41 | Link #1175 | |
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Dennis Prager is far more eloquent than I am on such social issues. Homosexual couples are not capable of contributing to the same extent(all things being equal), that heterosexual couples are able to contribute. Yes there are always exceptions to the rule, but I am not talking about exceptions. Men and women are not the same. We are very different. Marriage was a way of bringing those differences together, as well as providing some sense of stableness in bringing children into the world and raising them, where they were exposed by two parents of different sexes, so they could get a well rounded upbringing. Yes I know the divorce rate is high, yes I know there are millions of dysfunctional families. I had to live through both growing up. America recognizes marriage between a man and a woman, not as a matter of religious pretense, but as a matter of looking out for it's own survival for the future. A nation cannot survive without future generations. Heterosexual couples provide future generations. The ideal way for future generations to be brought up, is through a father and a mother. I know 99% of the people on this forum will disagree with me. That's fine. Yes I'll get negative repped for what I say. I'm use to it. You don't like hearing what you don't agree with. But I refuse to stand quiet and let an important institution, and an important value be attacked. I support Civil Unions. I am not against gay people. I have gay friends. I'm all for them having the same medical rights, as well as power of attorney rights, and other issues that I believe any couple in a civil union should have(whether they are gay or straight). James you really want to go through this? You're never going to change my mind, and I'm never going to change your mind, so other than just arguing back and forth, is there any point to responding to my post? Unless you are just generally wanting to know and not convince me otherwise. In which case, I will respond. |
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2011-02-25, 12:42 | Link #1176 | |
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2011-02-25, 12:47 | Link #1177 | |
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Other than pigmentation, there is no diference between a black male and a white male. No difference between a black female, and a white female. There are huge differences between a male and a female. |
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2011-02-25, 12:52 | Link #1178 | |
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So if the State (fed/state/whatever) got out of the very personal business of "marriage" completely and all such unions (hetero or other) were legally "civil unions" - you'd be okay with that? "Marriage" should be left to the decision of each individual church and its people since the concept is intrinsically "religious". I've never felt the State had any business interfering in such a personal matter. The legal instrument of joining together to create a family unit? -> civil union. That's my take on it anyway.
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2011-02-25, 12:53 | Link #1179 | ||
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Also, I have two gay aunts. One got married, and she still didn't get full rights. So even the gay marriage that is available doesn't give full rights. The other aunt, she and her lover are raising a child, and that child (my cousin) is a great person. One of the top students in her class, smart, fun personality, and kind. She loves her parents and I know that they are good parents. Gay couples can raise children well like straight parents. It seems much of society doesn't want to think that many of them can. I think the greatest challenge my cousin faces is that some people pick on her (but it isn't terribly bad) for having two moms. Ironically, the biggest problem with her parents isn't really about them, but how a large portion of society negatively regards people like them. As I said, I can understand some of your points. I'm just added some things to contrast. It isn't black and white, like so many things in this world.
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